Polar/Cals/Centuries

Cat Dailey wrote:
:: Well, I finally took the fit test on my Polar S720i and got a VO2max
:: value of 55, which is considerably higher than the default 35 that
:: they suggested for women.
::
:: My calorie usage during my last century about 2 weeks ago (av sp
:: 16.5'ish) with the old value was only around 2400, which I thought
:: was way too low.
::
:: Now that I changed the value to 55, my calorie burn for 100 miles
:: runs between around 3300 and 3600, which I think might be a tad more
:: realistic.
::
:: Now for the good news....did my first ever 2 centuries in 2 days,
:: and just finished my third century in 5 days! Average speeds were
:: just under 18, just over 18, and I think today's was around 17.5.
:: COOL! I have another one to do this Saturday, so that will be 4 in
:: 8 days.
::
:: Cat who is happy with high mile weeks!

Wow, Cat, you rock, girl! Are you a student? I wish I could get those
kinds of miles in...where are these centuries? Are they organized or just
rides of 100 miles?

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cat Dailey wrote:
:: Well, I finally took the fit test on my Polar S720i and got a VO2max
:: value of 55, which is considerably higher than the default 35 that
:: they suggested for women.
::
:: My calorie usage during my last century about 2 weeks ago (av sp
:: 16.5'ish) with the old value was only around 2400, which I thought
:: was way too low.
::
:: Now that I changed the value to 55, my calorie burn for 100 miles
:: runs between around 3300 and 3600, which I think might be a tad more
:: realistic.
::
:: Now for the good news....did my first ever 2 centuries in 2 days,
:: and just finished my third century in 5 days! Average speeds were
:: just under 18, just over 18, and I think today's was around 17.5.
:: COOL! I have another one to do this Saturday, so that will be 4 in
:: 8 days.
::
:: Cat who is happy with high mile weeks!

Wow, Cat, you rock, girl! Are you a student? I wish I could get those
kinds of miles in...where are these centuries? Are they organized or just
rides of 100 miles?

Nope, I am an old lady (42). I am an attorney turned personal trainer and I
work 5 am-1 pm, so I can ride a lot. The first century started out with our
regular Saturday group ride, which is a slam fest from the first 1/10th
mile. It's basically 4 of our local racing teams. At the turnaround (mile
30 or so) another guy and I went out farther to Doylestown. We then went
back to Philadelphia. I left my guy and finished up with a lap around the
Schuylkill River then home. On Sunday, a group of about 12 of us went from
Philadelphia to New Hope and back. It was a very controlled ride, and I
pulled a lot of the way home. Today, I picked up one other guy and pulled
him to Doylestown and back to his house, (50 miles) and then went down to
the river and did 4 laps before heading home, so essentially, I pulled this
one the whole way!

Cat

Cat Dailey wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Cat Dailey wrote:
::::: Well, I finally took the fit test on my Polar S720i and got a
::::: VO2max value of 55, which is considerably higher than the default
::::: 35 that they suggested for women.
:::::
::::: My calorie usage during my last century about 2 weeks ago (av sp
::::: 16.5'ish) with the old value was only around 2400, which I thought
::::: was way too low.
:::::
::::: Now that I changed the value to 55, my calorie burn for 100 miles
::::: runs between around 3300 and 3600, which I think might be a tad
::::: more realistic.
:::::
::::: Now for the good news....did my first ever 2 centuries in 2 days,
::::: and just finished my third century in 5 days! Average speeds were
::::: just under 18, just over 18, and I think today's was around 17.5.
::::: COOL! I have another one to do this Saturday, so that will be 4
::::: in 8 days.
:::::
::::: Cat who is happy with high mile weeks!
:::
::: Wow, Cat, you rock, girl! Are you a student? I wish I could get
::: those kinds of miles in...where are these centuries? Are they
::: organized or just rides of 100 miles?
:::
:::
:: Nope, I am an old lady (42). I am an attorney turned personal
:: trainer and I work 5 am-1 pm, so I can ride a lot. The first
:: century started out with our regular Saturday group ride, which is a
:: slam fest from the first 1/10th mile. It's basically 4 of our local
:: racing teams. At the turnaround (mile 30 or so) another guy and I
:: went out farther to Doylestown. We then went back to Philadelphia.
:: I left my guy and finished up with a lap around the Schuylkill River
:: then home. On Sunday, a group of about 12 of us went from
:: Philadelphia to New Hope and back. It was a very controlled ride,
:: and I pulled a lot of the way home. Today, I picked up one other
:: guy and pulled him to Doylestown and back to his house, (50 miles)
:: and then went down to the river and did 4 laps before heading home,
:: so essentially, I pulled this one the whole way!
::
:: Cat

Damn, now you rock even more! I was thinking you were 25 and weighed 98 lbs
(okay, I'd bet money you don't weigh much!)...what do you mean when you say
"you pulled"?

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cat Dailey wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Cat Dailey wrote:
::::: Well, I finally took the fit test on my Polar S720i and got a
::::: VO2max value of 55, which is considerably higher than the default
::::: 35 that they suggested for women.
:::::
::::: My calorie usage during my last century about 2 weeks ago (av sp
::::: 16.5'ish) with the old value was only around 2400, which I thought
::::: was way too low.
:::::
::::: Now that I changed the value to 55, my calorie burn for 100 miles
::::: runs between around 3300 and 3600, which I think might be a tad
::::: more realistic.
:::::
::::: Now for the good news....did my first ever 2 centuries in 2 days,
::::: and just finished my third century in 5 days! Average speeds were
::::: just under 18, just over 18, and I think today's was around 17.5.
::::: COOL! I have another one to do this Saturday, so that will be 4
::::: in 8 days.
:::::
::::: Cat who is happy with high mile weeks!
:::
::: Wow, Cat, you rock, girl! Are you a student? I wish I could get
::: those kinds of miles in...where are these centuries? Are they
::: organized or just rides of 100 miles?
:::
:::
:: Nope, I am an old lady (42). I am an attorney turned personal
:: trainer and I work 5 am-1 pm, so I can ride a lot. The first
:: century started out with our regular Saturday group ride, which is a
:: slam fest from the first 1/10th mile. It's basically 4 of our local
:: racing teams. At the turnaround (mile 30 or so) another guy and I
:: went out farther to Doylestown. We then went back to Philadelphia.
:: I left my guy and finished up with a lap around the Schuylkill River
:: then home. On Sunday, a group of about 12 of us went from
:: Philadelphia to New Hope and back. It was a very controlled ride,
:: and I pulled a lot of the way home. Today, I picked up one other
:: guy and pulled him to Doylestown and back to his house, (50 miles)
:: and then went down to the river and did 4 laps before heading home,
:: so essentially, I pulled this one the whole way!
::
:: Cat

Damn, now you rock even more! I was thinking you were 25 and weighed 98

lbs

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(okay, I'd bet money you don't weigh much!)...what do you mean when you

say

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"you pulled"?

I was in the front for the whole ride.

Cat

Roger Zoul said:

Damn, now you rock even more! I was thinking you were 25 and weighed
98 lbs (okay, I'd bet money you don't weigh much!)...what do you mean
when you say "you pulled"?

25 year olds don't have the stamina for lots of long rides like that.
Just look at the average age of any organized Century ride anywhere.

--
Perre

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Cat Dailey said:

Well, I finally took the fit test on my Polar S720i and got a VO2max value
of 55, which is considerably higher than the default 35 that they suggested
for women.

My calorie usage during my last century about 2 weeks ago (av sp 16.5'ish)
with the old value was only around 2400, which I thought was way too low.

Now that I changed the value to 55, my calorie burn for 100 miles runs
between around 3300 and 3600, which I think might be a tad more realistic.

That sounds much more realistic, and it matches up closely with my
Polar's calorie expenditure rate of about 650 kcal/hr.

Quoted message said:

Now for the good news....did my first ever 2 centuries in 2 days, and just
finished my third century in 5 days! Average speeds were just under 18,
just over 18, and I think today's was around 17.5. COOL! I have another
one to do this Saturday, so that will be 4 in 8 days.

I sure hope those are mostly flat miles, otherwise I'll be
depressed. I barely manage 15 mph on century rides with 8000-10,000
feet. For flat centuries -- I don't do flat centuries.

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Cat who is happy with high mile weeks!

You go girl! Too bad you're not on the West Coast. We need more fast
riders to pull us climbers across the flats.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/

"Terry Morse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cat Dailey said:

Well, I finally took the fit test on my Polar S720i and got a VO2max

value

Quoted message said:

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of 55, which is considerably higher than the default 35 that they

suggested

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for women.

My calorie usage during my last century about 2 weeks ago (av sp

16.5'ish)

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with the old value was only around 2400, which I thought was way too

low.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Now that I changed the value to 55, my calorie burn for 100 miles runs
between around 3300 and 3600, which I think might be a tad more

realistic.

Quoted message said:

That sounds much more realistic, and it matches up closely with my
Polar's calorie expenditure rate of about 650 kcal/hr.

Quoted message said:

Now for the good news....did my first ever 2 centuries in 2 days, and

just

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

finished my third century in 5 days! Average speeds were just under 18,
just over 18, and I think today's was around 17.5. COOL! I have

another

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one to do this Saturday, so that will be 4 in 8 days.

I sure hope those are mostly flat miles, otherwise I'll be
depressed. I barely manage 15 mph on century rides with 8000-10,000
feet. For flat centuries -- I don't do flat centuries.

Quoted message said:

Cat who is happy with high mile weeks!

You go girl! Too bad you're not on the West Coast. We need more fast
riders to pull us climbers across the flats.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/

Sorry, not really flat, but mostly rolling. Flat around the river, though,
if that's any consolation. I find that the more I ride, the better I ride
anyway. I'm not too sure my personality fits in the West Coast, either ;>
I'm a little too much of a hyper nor'easterner!

Cat

Cat Dailey wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Cat Dailey wrote:
::::: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::: news:[email hidden]...
:::::: Cat Dailey wrote:
:::::::: Well, I finally took the fit test on my Polar S720i and got a
:::::::: VO2max value of 55, which is considerably higher than the
:::::::: default 35 that they suggested for women.
::::::::
:::::::: My calorie usage during my last century about 2 weeks ago (av
:::::::: sp
:::::::: 16.5'ish) with the old value was only around 2400, which I
:::::::: thought was way too low.
::::::::
:::::::: Now that I changed the value to 55, my calorie burn for 100
:::::::: miles runs between around 3300 and 3600, which I think might
:::::::: be a tad more realistic.
::::::::
:::::::: Now for the good news....did my first ever 2 centuries in 2
:::::::: days, and just finished my third century in 5 days! Average
:::::::: speeds were just under 18, just over 18, and I think today's
:::::::: was around 17.5. COOL! I have another one to do this
:::::::: Saturday, so that will be 4 in 8 days.
::::::::
:::::::: Cat who is happy with high mile weeks!
::::::
:::::: Wow, Cat, you rock, girl! Are you a student? I wish I could get
:::::: those kinds of miles in...where are these centuries? Are they
:::::: organized or just rides of 100 miles?
::::::
::::::
::::: Nope, I am an old lady (42). I am an attorney turned personal
::::: trainer and I work 5 am-1 pm, so I can ride a lot. The first
::::: century started out with our regular Saturday group ride, which
::::: is a slam fest from the first 1/10th mile. It's basically 4 of
::::: our local racing teams. At the turnaround (mile 30 or so)
::::: another guy and I went out farther to Doylestown. We then went
::::: back to Philadelphia. I left my guy and finished up with a lap
::::: around the Schuylkill River then home. On Sunday, a group of
::::: about 12 of us went from Philadelphia to New Hope and back. It
::::: was a very controlled ride, and I pulled a lot of the way home.
::::: Today, I picked up one other guy and pulled him to Doylestown and
::::: back to his house, (50 miles) and then went down to the river and
::::: did 4 laps before heading home, so essentially, I pulled this one
::::: the whole way!
:::::
::::: Cat
:::
::: Damn, now you rock even more! I was thinking you were 25 and
::: weighed 98 lbs (okay, I'd bet money you don't weigh much!)...what
::: do you mean when you say "you pulled"?
:::
:::
::
:: I was in the front for the whole ride.
::
:: Cat

Damn! I wish I could ride like you do...you'd smoke me bad....

Per Elmsäter wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Damn, now you rock even more! I was thinking you were 25 and
::: weighed 98 lbs (okay, I'd bet money you don't weigh much!)...what
::: do you mean when you say "you pulled"?
::
:: 25 year olds don't have the stamina for lots of long rides like that.
:: Just look at the average age of any organized Century ride anywhere.

How might I find such data? I've not done a century yet, so I don't know
who shows up...

I would assume that a 25 yo could train for stamia....is that not right?
That one new guy on the tour of italy is like 22, right? Can't recall his
name...

Roger Zoul said:

Per Elmsäter said:

Quoted message said:

Roger Zoul wrote:
> Damn, now you rock even more! I was thinking you were 25 and
> weighed 98 lbs (okay, I'd bet money you don't weigh much!)...what
> do you mean when you say "you pulled"?

25 year olds don't have the stamina for lots of long rides like
that. Just look at the average age of any organized Century ride
anywhere.

How might I find such data? I've not done a century yet, so I don't
know who shows up...

I would assume that a 25 yo could train for stamia....is that not
right? That one new guy on the tour of italy is like 22, right?
Can't recall his name...

Of course they can and do train, however it takes a long time to build. The
body also does not start producing an excess of this kind of muscle fibre
until a more ripe age. Damiano Cunego is considered exceptionlly young to
win a grand Tour like this. Winning a grand Tour takes a lot of other
qualitys than endurance as compared to a century ride that is nothing but an
endurance ride. Ie no race component involved.
If you ever go to an organized century you'll probably see more 50 year olds
than 20 year olds. At least here in Sweden and I'd be really surprised if it
wasn't the same all over the world.
As for the muscle fibres I mentioned you can google for slowtwitch and
fasttwitch. I'm not certain I spelled fasttwitch right.

--
Perre

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Per Elmsäter wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Per Elmsäter wrote:
::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::: Damn, now you rock even more! I was thinking you were 25 and
:::::: weighed 98 lbs (okay, I'd bet money you don't weigh much!)...what
:::::: do you mean when you say "you pulled"?
:::::
::::: 25 year olds don't have the stamina for lots of long rides like
::::: that. Just look at the average age of any organized Century ride
::::: anywhere.
:::
::: How might I find such data? I've not done a century yet, so I don't
::: know who shows up...
:::
::: I would assume that a 25 yo could train for stamia....is that not
::: right? That one new guy on the tour of italy is like 22, right?
::: Can't recall his name...
::
:: Of course they can and do train, however it takes a long time to
:: build. The body also does not start producing an excess of this kind
:: of muscle fibre until a more ripe age.

Really? I've done a good bit or reading on muscle fibers and I've never
read this. Does one really need an excess of ST fiber to do endurance
sports?

Damiano Cunego is considered
:: exceptionlly young to win a grand Tour like this. Winning a grand
:: Tour takes a lot of other qualitys than endurance as compared to a
:: century ride that is nothing but an endurance ride.

I can see that...but doing a tour still take [censored] loads of endurance...

Ie no race
:: component involved.
:: If you ever go to an organized century you'll probably see more 50
:: year olds than 20 year olds.

But that might have something to do with the fact that 20 yo go to school
and don't have time to ride until they're older.

At least here in Sweden and I'd be
:: really surprised if it wasn't the same all over the world.

I don't doubt you on that...but I quesiton the reasonn...

:: As for the muscle fibres I mentioned you can google for slowtwitch
:: and fasttwitch. I'm not certain I spelled fasttwitch right.
::
:: --
:: Perre
::
:: You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]=20
says...

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Per Elms=E4ter wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Per Elms=E4ter wrote:
::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::: Damn, now you rock even more! I was thinking you were 25 and
:::::: weighed 98 lbs (okay, I'd bet money you don't weigh much!)...what
:::::: do you mean when you say "you pulled"?
:::::
::::: 25 year olds don't have the stamina for lots of long rides like
::::: that. Just look at the average age of any organized Century ride
::::: anywhere.
:::
::: How might I find such data? I've not done a century yet, so I don't
::: know who shows up...
:::
::: I would assume that a 25 yo could train for stamia....is that not
::: right? That one new guy on the tour of italy is like 22, right?
::: Can't recall his name...
::
:: Of course they can and do train, however it takes a long time to
:: build. The body also does not start producing an excess of this kind
:: of muscle fibre until a more ripe age.
=20
Really? I've done a good bit or reading on muscle fibers and I've never
read this. Does one really need an excess of ST fiber to do endurance
sports?

It helps. Look at the ages of the top performers in the high-endurance=20
sports (marathons and longer). They are usually 25 or so, into their=20
early 30's. While the top performers in the sprint events tend to be=20
younger. =20

Of course, another part of the reason is that in the endurance events=20
you need to know your body a lot better, and how to adjust your pace to=20
meet the conditions; that can only be learned through experience.

.....

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newsgroups if possible).

Roger Zoul said:

:: 25 year olds don't have the stamina for lots of long rides like that.
:: Just look at the average age of any organized Century ride anywhere.

I would assume that a 25 yo could train for stamia....is that not right?

It is correct; however, much of training, and much of doing a long
ride with insufficient training, is mental. Older folks have got a
big advantage over young whippersnappers like me, as they've got the
life experience to know how do deal with pain and fatigue, and to
know how to better pace themselves, and to know how to listen to
their bodies.

Watch any 25 year old compete with his dad in doing some heavy work.
With the exception of heavily damaged or unhealthy dads, the dad can
do the stronger / longer / more work; the kid will recover quicker,
though.

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That one new guy on the tour of italy is like 22, right? Can't recall his
name...

Jocks and pro athletes are the exception.
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