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  1. Fourtunately T.De Roy, R.Sørensen and E.Breukink managed to persuaded
    M.Rasmussen to follow Armstrong today, witch means we can set the
    podium in Paris:

    1 L.Armstrong 🙁
    2 M.Rasmussen :-)
    3 ?

    I.Basso, L.Leipheimer and P.Macepo will fight for 3rd spot.

    However l.Armstrong is going to fight for it in order to control
    M.Rasmussen and keep him within 5 minuttes until the TT (M.Rasmussen
    is the worst TT'er and finnished at 174 on the first TT stage).

    The only question is weather if L.Armstrong will let M.Rasmussen go
    and trust his team to chase him for 100km every day, or will we see
    L.Armstrong follow M.Rasmussen and leave his team behind. Expect to se
    the most explosive race since 96.

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  2. Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

    The only question is weather if L.Armstrong will let M.Rasmussen go
    and trust his team to chase him for 100km every day, or will we see
    L.Armstrong follow M.Rasmussen and leave his team behind. Expect to se
    the most explosive race since 96.

    Dude. I know you Danes are excited about Rasmussen and all. But this
    tour is over.

  3. 7h@ch said:
    Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

    The only question is weather if L.Armstrong will let M.Rasmussen go
    and trust his team to chase him for 100km every day, or will we see
    L.Armstrong follow M.Rasmussen and leave his team behind. Expect to se
    the most explosive race since 96.

    Quoted message said:

    Dude. I know you Danes are excited about Rasmussen and all. But this
    tour is over.

    exactly the podium is decided, but Rasmussen will still attack Armstrong,
    Basso, Illes Ballares etc. The interesting thing is if Armstrong will
    follow him on 50-100km journies day in andday out, or trust his team
    to chase him and keep him within 5 minuttes until the final TT.

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  4. Morty, Rassmussen will be toasted and fried tomorrow.

  5. On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:58:15 +0200, Morten Reippuert

    Knudsen said:

    Fourtunately T.De Roy, R.Sørensen and E.Breukink managed to persuaded
    M.Rasmussen to follow Armstrong today, witch means we can set the
    podium in Paris:

    1 L.Armstrong 🙁
    2 M.Rasmussen :-)
    3 ?

    I.Basso, L.Leipheimer and P.Macepo will fight for 3rd spot.

    However l.Armstrong is going to fight for it in order to control
    M.Rasmussen and keep him within 5 minuttes until the TT (M.Rasmussen
    is the worst TT'er and finnished at 174 on the first TT stage).

    The only question is weather if L.Armstrong will let M.Rasmussen go
    and trust his team to chase him for 100km every day, or will we see
    L.Armstrong follow M.Rasmussen and leave his team behind. Expect to se
    the most explosive race since 96.

    Ras will finish behind Basso, Levi, Jan, Kloden and Landis.

    No matter who's on the podium.

    Though I hope I'm wrong.

    D

  6. "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Morty, Rassmussen will be toasted and fried tomorrow.

    Probably. But Basso attacks tomorrow. If Lance can keep up, the
    race really is his.

    m.

  7. Tom Kunich said:

    Morty, Rassmussen will be toasted and fried tomorrow.

    who's gonna toast him? He can follow Armstrongs wheel with ease if he
    wants to, Armstrong or Illes Balares can drop him, but he can toast
    himself by attacking from to fra away - I hope he doesn't.

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  8. Michael said:

    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Morty, Rassmussen will be toasted and fried tomorrow.

    Quoted message said:

    Probably. But Basso attacks tomorrow. If Lance can keep up, the
    race really is his.

    Apperantly Basso isn't as strong as last year due to his Giro
    adventure. But he may attack to test Rasmussen, T-Mobile and Illes
    Ballares (knowning he will drag L.Armstriong along). However i don't
    think the serious attacks will come from CSC tomorrow. Basso will
    follow Armstrong tommorov, the question is weather Rasmussen will
    attack or if wants to play safe and test himself by stayning with
    Armstrong another day. Today was really only a test for Rasmussen, to
    see weather he could stay with Armstrong on a final climb - and he
    passed the test without to much effort.

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  9. Tom Kunich said:

    Morty, Rassmussen will be toasted and fried tomorrow.

    who's gonna toast him? He can follow Armstrongs wheel with ease if he
    wants to, Armstrong, CSC or Illes Balares can't drop him, but he can
    toast himself by attacking from to far away - I hope he doesn't.

    --
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  10. "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Fourtunately T.De Roy, R.Sørensen and E.Breukink managed to persuaded
    M.Rasmussen to follow Armstrong today, witch means we can set the
    podium in Paris:

    1 L.Armstrong 🙁
    2 M.Rasmussen :-)
    3 ?

    I.Basso, L.Leipheimer and P.Macepo will fight for 3rd spot.

    However l.Armstrong is going to fight for it in order to control
    M.Rasmussen and keep him within 5 minuttes until the TT (M.Rasmussen
    is the worst TT'er and finnished at 174 on the first TT stage).

    The only question is weather if L.Armstrong will let M.Rasmussen go
    and trust his team to chase him for 100km every day, or will we see
    L.Armstrong follow M.Rasmussen and leave his team behind. Expect to se
    the most explosive race since 96.

    --
    Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

    PowerMac G5: 1.6GHz, 1.25GB RAM, 300+300GB SATA, 8xDVD+/-RW, Bluetooth
    mus + tastatur, R9600PRO, iSight, eyeTV200 & LaCie Photon18Vision TFT

    Not so fast there, chief. There are still 11 stages of racing left -
    ANYTHING can happen. Should Lance not crash and not get sick, he wins - no
    question. But, it's not even close to being over yet.
    Jeff

  11. On 12-Jul-2005, smacked up and reeling, "7h@ch" <[email hidden]> blindly
    formulated
    the following incoherence:

    Quoted message said:

    Dude. I know you Danes are excited about Rasmussen and all. But this
    tour is over.

    Not that I expect it to happen, but even LA can get sick, have a bad day, or
    even a crash. And who knows if one of the three hot climbers we saw today
    will gain more minutes in the coming stages. It might come down to the
    penultimate stage TT.

    Lance is clearly dominant and the favorite going away, but it's not over.
    Too much [censored] can happen.

    steve
    --
    "Local firemen improvised."
    Benny Hill

  12. J Jones said:

    Not so fast there, chief. There are still 11 stages of racing left -
    ANYTHING can happen. Should Lance not crash and not get sick, he wins - no
    question. But, it's not even close to being over yet.

    off course any rider can get sick have accidents etc,

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  13. Michael said:


    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Morty, Rassmussen will be toasted and fried tomorrow.

    Probably. But Basso attacks tomorrow. If Lance can keep up, the
    race really is his.

    m.

    I was very surprised that Kloden hung in there pretty well today. Bet
    he's smouldering at having to pull Jan the whole way, though, lol.

    jj

  14. Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

    Fourtunately T.De Roy, R.Sørensen and E.Breukink managed to persuaded
    M.Rasmussen to follow Armstrong today, witch means we can set the
    podium in Paris:

    1 L.Armstrong 🙁
    2 M.Rasmussen :-)
    3 ?

    I.Basso, L.Leipheimer and P.Macepo will fight for 3rd spot.

    Rasmussen had great rides today and Sunday, but I'm not so sure about
    his being able to hold second place.

    Here is some data from his recent Tour ITT's:

    Last year: 2004 Tour de France

    Stage 19 ITT 55km
    Rasmussen started the day 13th in GC, 20:20 back
    Results:
    Rasmussen 6:56 behind winner Armstrong
    4:06 behind Basso
    2:50 behind Leipheimer
    4:31 behind Landis
    5:55 behind Ullrich

    Even uphill, in Rasmussen's element:
    Stage 16 (Alpe d'Huez ITT) 15.5km
    Rasmussen was...
    5:08 behind winner Armstrong
    2:45 behind Basso
    1:02 behind Leipheimer
    1:33 behind Landis
    4:07 behind Ullrich

    How's he doing this year: 2005 Tour de France

    Stage 1 ITT 19km
    Rasmussen was...
    3:12 behind Armstrong
    1:48 behind Basso
    0:50 behind Valverde
    2:01 behind Leipheimer
    2:12 behind Landis
    2:06 behind Ullrich

    Stage 20 ITT 55km
    ?????????????????

    Currently, Rasmussen is:
    0:38 behind Armstrong
    2:02 ahead of Basso
    2:38 ahead of Valverde
    3:20 ahead of Leipheimer
    3:38 ahead of Landis
    3:24 ahead of Ullrich

    Today Rasmussen gained:
    -0:09 on Valverde, Armstrong
    0:53 on Basso
    1:06 on Leipheimer
    2:05 on Landis, Ullrich

    If (!) Rasmussen can gain time on rivals again at Ax-3 Domaines and
    St-Lary Soulan (remaining mtn top finishes) like he did today, AND not
    lose time on other stages, AND time trial as he did last year, Basso
    will get him at the ITT, but he beats Leipheimer, Landis, and Ullrich.

    So: can Rasmussen gain time as today on the mtn top finishes, hold his
    own in all other stages, and TT as well as last year? One year more
    experience and a podium place to defend argue in his favor. I would
    think he would reach the final TT more tired this year, though.

    Any other results to compare this year to last for Rasmussen?

    Mark

  15. steve said:

    Lance is clearly dominant and the favorite going away, but it's not over.
    Too much [censored] can happen.

    The usual 'Lance wins barring injury or accident'.

  16. Mark Janeba said:
    Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

    Fourtunately T.De Roy, R.Sørensen and E.Breukink managed to persuaded
    M.Rasmussen to follow Armstrong today, witch means we can set the
    podium in Paris:

    1 L.Armstrong 🙁
    2 M.Rasmussen :-)
    3 ?

    I.Basso, L.Leipheimer and P.Macepo will fight for 3rd spot.

    Rasmussen had great rides today and Sunday, but I'm not so sure about
    his being able to hold second place.

    Here is some data from his recent Tour ITT's:

    Waste of time posting this: Rasmussen almost certainly wasn't trying too
    hard in any of these. You only try in a TT if you care about GC, if you
    think you'll place in the TT, or if you get team orders (set marks for the
    leader or defend team classsification). Otherwise you ride at whatever pace
    feels comfortable (or gets you within time limits) and save energy,
    especially if you're looking to win the KOM which requires all day
    breakaways using lots of energy.

    Look at most good climbers, when they aren't trying to compete for GC they
    produce poor results on time trials in stage races, suddenly when they are
    in contention they place top 20.

    Peter

  17. Mark Janeba said:

    Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Fourtunately T.De Roy, R.Sørensen and E.Breukink managed to persuaded
    M.Rasmussen to follow Armstrong today, witch means we can set the
    podium in Paris:

    1 L.Armstrong 🙁
    2 M.Rasmussen :-)
    3 ?

    I.Basso, L.Leipheimer and P.Macepo will fight for 3rd spot.

    Quoted message said:

    Rasmussen had great rides today and Sunday, but I'm not so sure about
    his being able to hold second place.

    He'l only need 2-3 minutes more on Basso, Ulrich and Leipheimer in
    order to succeed. I expect him to get that.

    Quoted message said:

    Here is some data from his recent Tour ITT's:

    Quoted message said:

    Last year: 2004 Tour de France

    Quoted message said:

    Stage 19 ITT 55km
    Rasmussen started the day 13th in GC, 20:20 back
    Results:
    Rasmussen 6:56 behind winner Armstrong
    4:06 behind Basso
    2:50 behind Leipheimer
    4:31 behind Landis
    5:55 behind Ullrich

    Quoted message said:

    Currently, Rasmussen is:
    0:38 behind Armstrong
    2:02 ahead of Basso
    2:38 ahead of Valverde
    3:20 ahead of Leipheimer
    3:38 ahead of Landis
    3:24 ahead of Ullrich

    and

    3:22 ahead of P.Mancepo

    In this equation M.Rasmussen needs to gain the following until the TT

    -2:04 to I.Basso
    +0:40 to Leipheimer
    -0:53 to Landis
    -2:31 to Ulrich

    That's abeslutely posible (note that i think Leipheimer will do a lot
    better this year, and that Ladis is not a real contender). Do you have
    the numbers for P.Macepo's 55km TT last year?

    I don't count last years 19km TDF uphill TT, because M.Rasmusse threw
    it away. In 2004's Dauphine Libere M.Rasmussen did a reasonable TT up
    Mont Ventoux. He was less than 2 minutes behind L.Armstrong and didn't
    go 100%.
    (Actually i expected M.Rasmussen to win last years 19km uphill TT, but
    instead he chose to throw it away in order to maintain his freshness
    the following day - besides he rode all last year's TDF with a virus)

    Quoted message said:

    If (!) Rasmussen can gain time on rivals again at Ax-3 Domaines and
    St-Lary Soulan (remaining mtn top finishes) like he did today, AND not
    lose time on other stages, AND time trial as he did last year, Basso
    will get him at the ITT, but he beats Leipheimer, Landis, and Ullrich.

    Quoted message said:

    So: can Rasmussen gain time as today on the mtn top finishes, hold his
    own in all other stages, and TT as well as last year? One year more
    experience and a podium place to defend argue in his favor. I would
    think he would reach the final TT more tired this year, though.

    Quoted message said:

    Any other results to compare this year to last for Rasmussen?

    No, M.Rasmussen has raced even less than L.Armstrong in 2005, but i
    expect him to gain time on every one in the race until the TT, however
    he won't gain enough time on Armstrong to survive the TT.
    M.Rasmussen wil ride a redicously bad TT, but not any worse than last
    year witch means less than 7 minutes to Armstrong, and less than 6
    minuttes to Ulrich. Last year M.Rasmussen didn't care about GC - his
    only goal at the last TT that year was to stay within the timelimit.

    A.Valverde isn't a contender, this is his first tour and he will have
    bad day + use energy to help P.Mancepo.
    P.Mancepo does a reasonable TT and he's the rider who's gonna be
    closest to Rasmussen and Armstrong in the mountains - witch is why i
    think he will be among the 3, who will be fighting for 3rd in Paris.

    I.Basso will be the 2nd closest rider to M.R and L.A, but he will also
    lose time until the TT. His currently closer to M.R/L.A and he's a
    better TT'er than Mancepo, but in Paris M.R will be to far ahead for
    basso to reach 2nd. - He will be among the 3 fighting for 3rd in Paris.

    Leipheimer will loose aproximatly the same time as Basso until the TT,
    but is a better TT'er, but not good enough to reach 2nd spot. He'll
    fight for 3rd with P.Mancepo and I.Basso.

    The T-Mobile & Phonak riders will keep loosing time every single day
    until the TT. Currently Ulrich is closest at 3.24 behind M.R and the
    gap will grow to +7. By then 2nd and even 3rd will be out of reach.
    J.Jaksche, C.Evans, A.Kashechkin, B.Julich, C.Sastre and A.Valverde
    will fight for 6-10th with T-Mobile and Phonak.

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  18. Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

    P.Mancepo [...] P.Macepo [...] P.Mancepo [...] P.Mancepo

    Paco Mancebo

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  19. "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Currently, Rasmussen is:
    0:38 behind Armstrong
    2:02 ahead of Basso
    2:38 ahead of Valverde
    3:20 ahead of Leipheimer
    3:38 ahead of Landis
    3:24 ahead of Ullrich

    and

    3:22 ahead of P.Mancepo

    In this equation M.Rasmussen needs to gain the following until the TT

    let's ee if that equation will work with tomorrow's results.

    Quoted message said:

    That's abeslutely posible (note that i think Leipheimer will do a lot
    better this year, and that Ladis is not a real contender). Do you have
    the numbers for P.Macepo's 55km TT last year?

    i have the feeling you're danish

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If (!) Rasmussen can gain time on rivals again at Ax-3 Domaines and
    St-Lary Soulan (remaining mtn top finishes) like he did today, AND not
    lose time on other stages, AND time trial as he did last year, Basso
    will get him at the ITT, but he beats Leipheimer, Landis, and Ullrich.

    what if...if only if...

    Quoted message said:

    I.Basso will be the 2nd closest rider to M.R and L.A, but he will also
    lose time until the TT. His currently closer to M.R/L.A and he's a
    better TT'er than Mancepo, but in Paris M.R will be to far ahead for
    basso to reach 2nd. - He will be among the 3 fighting for 3rd in Paris.

    aha...yep...ok...

    anyway, you have the right to dream.
    bonne nuit

  20. Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:
    Mark Janeba said:

    Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Fourtunately T.De Roy, R.Sørensen and E.Breukink managed to persuaded
    M.Rasmussen to follow Armstrong today, witch means we can set the
    podium in Paris:

    1 L.Armstrong 🙁
    2 M.Rasmussen :-)
    3 ?

    I.Basso, L.Leipheimer and P.Macepo will fight for 3rd spot.

    Quoted message said:

    Rasmussen had great rides today and Sunday, but I'm not so sure about
    his being able to hold second place.

    He'l only need 2-3 minutes more on Basso, Ulrich and Leipheimer in
    order to succeed. I expect him to get that.

    Quoted message said:

    Here is some data from his recent Tour ITT's:

    Quoted message said:

    Last year: 2004 Tour de France

    Quoted message said:

    Stage 19 ITT 55km
    Rasmussen started the day 13th in GC, 20:20 back
    Results:
    Rasmussen 6:56 behind winner Armstrong
    4:06 behind Basso
    2:50 behind Leipheimer
    4:31 behind Landis
    5:55 behind Ullrich

    Quoted message said:

    Currently, Rasmussen is:
    0:38 behind Armstrong
    2:02 ahead of Basso
    2:38 ahead of Valverde
    3:20 ahead of Leipheimer
    3:38 ahead of Landis
    3:24 ahead of Ullrich

    and

    3:22 ahead of P.Mancepo

    In this equation M.Rasmussen needs to gain the following until the TT

    -2:04 to I.Basso
    +0:40 to Leipheimer
    -0:53 to Landis
    -2:31 to Ulrich

    That's abeslutely posible (note that i think Leipheimer will do a lot
    better this year, and that Ladis is not a real contender). Do you have
    the numbers for P.Macepo's 55km TT last year?

    All at:
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/tour04/04index.php

    2004 TdF 55k TT
    Rasmussen 6:56 behind winner Armstrong
    Mancebo 6:35 behind Armstrong, so only 21 seconds ahead of Rasmussen.

    Just remember, there's a lot of stages between now and the final TT.

    Mark

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