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  1. I test rode some bikes today. I went to a store believing
    that they carried Konas and Yetis, but it turned out they
    dropped those lines since last year. They carry Trek, Klein,
    Fisher, and Cannondale.

    I didn't bother to ride the Trek since that's what got
    busted -- I know how it rides. For the record, I like the
    ride and the fit of my Fuel 90, and I never had mech
    troubles (less than a year old, though). It had a duke fork
    that I was already thinking of replacing, not because it
    was giving me trouble but because I suspect I could do a
    lot better.

    The Fisher Cake small was rubbing my crotch, and I really
    didn't want a bike quite that friendly, so I nixed that one.
    The women's versions were respectively way too small and way
    too large.

    The Canondale Jekyll 800 with a lefty was ... okay. Nothing
    really impressed me about it, except that it did seem to fit
    me well in the cockpit. It felt clunky, somehow.

    Which brings me to the one I *did* like ... the Klein
    Palomino 5.

    kleinbikes.compalomi
    no_v/index.html

    It was very light -- extremely easy to pick the front up
    while riding around. Light compared to what I'm used to,
    anyway. XT rear, everything else LX. They actually had a
    road front der (shimano 105) and I don't quite understand
    that ... it has a Fox float 100R as a fork. One interesting
    thing about this is that I can comfortably grip this bike to
    put it on the car. Many bikes seem to have "stuff" right
    where I need to put my hands. This may seem like a minor
    thing, but it made an impression on me. Hayes disc brakes
    (does hayes vs. shimano matter?).

    There's a 15 that also has disc brakes (shimano instead
    of hayes) and has full XT. Also a much nicer Fox fork. So
    if I were thinking of upgrading to XT, it would probably
    be smarter to just buy the 15. Unless, as the owner
    pointed out, I didn't like the new combo XT thing, in
    which case I could upgrade the 5 with the old XT parts.
    Getting the 15 would be $600 more, though, and past my
    "hard" limit of $2500.

    I understand that the palomino has been reworked a bit this
    year to address some of last year's complaints. I've also
    been told it climbs surprisingly well. This bicycle store
    seems competent (the owner was the one helping me), gives me
    a discount through my club, has low prices, and will
    discount all rental costs (not just one day) from the
    purchase price. So I'm tempted to try it out this weekend
    and see what I think on my normal terrain.

    I understand that I'd do better with a Maverick frame, but
    looking around, I don't think I can afford that. Well, maybe
    the frame, but not the rest of the bike.

    I'm not done looking, obviously, but I really did like this
    bike. The seat tube is angled back a tiny bit compared to my
    Trek, which I think gives me just a slightly better cockpit
    fit. (I tend to bend my wrists, which is probably a
    combination of poor form and poor fit.)

    Thanks for letting me ramble. I'm open to opinions and I
    know that most of you will hate it just because it's Klein.
    But if you could give me some data points to back up the
    hatred, that would be of interest.

    --
    monique

  2. Monique says:

    <snip a bit>

    Quoted message said:

    The Fisher Cake small was rubbing my crotch, and I
    really didn't want a bike quite that friendly, so I
    nixed that one.

    Did you HAVE to say that? Now Sorni's going to get all
    excited again....

    Steve ;-)

  3. Monique Y. Mudama said:

    snipped all the interesting stuff Thanks for letting me
    ramble. I'm open to opinions and I know that most of you
    will hate it just because it's Klein. But if you could
    give me some data points to back up the hatred, that would
    be of interest.

    There ain't nothing like the paint job on a Klein.
    --
    Perre
    2001 Klein Adept Pro. Plumcrazy

  4. Monique Y. Mudama said:

    I test rode some bikes today. I went to a store believing
    that they carried Konas and Yetis, but it turned out they
    dropped those lines since last year. They carry Trek,
    Klein, Fisher, and Cannondale.


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    The Fisher Cake small was rubbing my crotch, and I really
    didn't want a bike quite that friendly, so I nixed that
    one. The women's versions were respectively way too small
    and way too large.

    Heh. We won't be able to resist that. Especially in
    combination with your title. I bet some people would pay
    more for that kind of treatment, but being a newlywed you're
    probably already taken care of in that department.

    Quoted message said:

    The Canondale Jekyll 800 with a lefty was ... okay.
    Nothing really impressed me about it, except that it did
    seem to fit me well in the cockpit. It felt clunky,
    somehow.

    Which brings me to the one I *did* like ... the Klein
    Palomino 5.

    kleinbikes.compalo
    mino_v/index.html

    It was very light -- extremely easy to pick the front up
    while riding around. Light compared to what I'm used to,
    anyway. XT rear, everything else LX. They actually had a
    road front der (shimano 105) and I don't quite understand
    that ... it has a Fox float 100R as a fork. One
    interesting thing about this is that I can comfortably
    grip this bike to put it on the car. Many bikes seem to
    have "stuff" right where I need to put my hands. This may
    seem like a minor thing, but it made an impression on me.
    Hayes disc brakes (does hayes vs. shimano matter?).

    There's a 15 that also has disc brakes (shimano instead
    of hayes) and has full XT. Also a much nicer Fox fork. So
    if I were thinking of upgrading to XT, it would probably
    be smarter to just buy the 15. Unless, as the owner
    pointed out, I didn't like the new combo XT thing, in
    which case I could upgrade the 5 with the old XT parts.
    Getting the 15 would be $600 more, though, and past my
    "hard" limit of $2500.

    I understand that the palomino has been reworked a bit
    this year to address some of last year's complaints. I've
    also been told it climbs surprisingly well. This bicycle
    store seems competent (the owner was the one helping me),
    gives me a discount through my club, has low prices, and
    will discount all rental costs (not just one day) from the
    purchase price. So I'm tempted to try it out this weekend
    and see what I think on my normal terrain.

    I know a couple of people who ride those. Most like them,
    and one guy broke his, but he's probably harder on his bikes
    than you are (except for getting them run over - but few
    bikes can survive that).

    I remember the front shifting being a big problem due to the
    design. Hopefully that's a thing that's been worked out. One
    of the people I know with one is the LBS owner's very petite
    wife and she really likes hers.

    Quoted message said:

    I understand that I'd do better with a Maverick frame, but
    looking around, I don't think I can afford that. Well,
    maybe the frame, but not the rest of the bike.

    I'm not done looking, obviously, but I really did like
    this bike. The seat tube is angled back a tiny bit
    compared to my Trek, which I think gives me just a
    slightly better cockpit fit. (I tend to bend my
    wrists, which is probably a combination of poor form
    and poor fit.)

    Thanks for letting me ramble. I'm open to opinions and I
    know that most of you will hate it just because it's
    Klein. But if you could give me some data points to back
    up the hatred, that would be of interest.

    One reason is they are made (and owned) by Trek. So that's
    the kiss of death for some. It's definitely not a XC race
    type of bike, but it doesn't sound like that's what you need
    (you can still race on a non-race bike, just not as
    "seriously"😉.

    I'd go for the XT group, but I'm kind of a snob when it
    comes to that stuff.

    Matt

  5. Per Elmsäter said:
    Monique Y. Mudama said:

    snipped all the interesting stuff Thanks for letting me
    ramble. I'm open to opinions and I know that most of you
    will hate it just because it's Klein. But if you could
    give me some data points to back up the hatred, that
    would be of interest.

    There ain't nothing like the paint job on a Klein.
    --
    Perre 2001 Klein Adept Pro. Plumcrazy

    ...which is why I'd hate to own a Klein MTB - I'll be
    all [censored] if I scratched it. I got a Klein roadie
    though (Q Carbon Team) with an exquisite paint job, and
    a smooth ride...

    --
    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

  6. "Monique Y. Mudama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    kleinbikes.compalo
    mino_v/index.html

    do da shocks lock out?

  7. I've got the prior generation Klein (Adept). I had real
    reservations when I got it since it felt too light, but I
    got a screamin deal. Now that's been through some minor
    skirmishes, I really like it and my confidence level is much
    higher. Climbs great, very nimble and feels much like a
    hardtail until it needs to go to work. The paint was already
    nicked up, so that wasn't an issue. It was one of the
    Chehalis made models, which was a nice touch.

    I'm not a freerider, but like the singletrack techie riding
    of north and central Oregon. After nearly a year of XC
    riding, it's still working well for me. Some component work
    to be done, but that's the Shimano stuff starting to fail.

    My buddy is hot for a Palomino as well. (ere, you know what
    I mean). I thought the dramatic slope of the seat tube would
    make the cockpit too long for his shorter upper body, but
    apparently not.

    For the money, I think they are (or were, at least)
    excellent bikes.

    "Monique Y. Mudama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I test rode some bikes today. I went to a store believing
    that they carried Konas and Yetis, but it turned out they
    dropped those lines since last year. They carry Trek,
    Klein, Fisher, and Cannondale.

    Quoted message said:

    Which brings me to the one I *did* like ... the Klein
    Palomino 5.

  8. Monique Y. Mudama said:

    I test rode some bikes today. I went to a store believing
    that they carried Konas and Yetis, but it turned out they
    dropped those lines since last year. They carry Trek,
    Klein, Fisher, and Cannondale.


    <snip>

    Klein is actually becoming respectable again. I guess
    Seinfeld had to go away for a sufficient amount of time. I
    would go for the all XT and upgraded Fox fork.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  9. Zilla said:

    Per Elmsäter <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    There ain't nothing like the paint job on a Klein.
    --
    Perre 2001 Klein Adept Pro. Plumcrazy

    Quoted message said:

    ...which is why I'd hate to own a Klein MTB - I'll be
    all [censored] if I scratched it. I got a Klein roadie
    though (Q Carbon Team) with an exquisite paint job, and
    a smooth ride...

    This one? home.san.rr.comBikes.jpg
    (large file warning; clueless digital here).

    Just got back from a 45-miler...WHILE wearing my AM-B
    headband!

    Bill "blasphemer" S.

  10. On 2004-06-04, Stephen Baker penned:

    Quoted message said:

    Monique says:

    <snip a bit>

    Quoted message said:

    The Fisher Cake small was rubbing my crotch, and I
    really didn't want a bike quite that friendly, so I
    nixed that one.

    Did you HAVE to say that? Now Sorni's going to get all
    excited again....

    Of course I did =)

    --
    monique

  11. On 2004-06-04, Per Elmsäter penned:

    Quoted message said:
    Monique Y. Mudama said:

    snipped all the interesting stuff Thanks for letting me
    ramble. I'm open to opinions and I know that most of you
    will hate it just because it's Klein. But if you could
    give me some data points to back up the hatred, that
    would be of interest.

    There ain't nothing like the paint job on a Klein.

    Ah! I must have my priorities off -- I thought it was all
    about the fit.

    I figure, if I do buy it, I'll have to cover it in stickers
    to "protect" the paint.

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Perre 2001 Klein Adept Pro. Plumcrazy

    --
    monique

  12. gabrielle said:
    Gwood said:

    I'm not a freerider, but like the singletrack techie
    riding of north and central Oregon.

    Where are you?

    gabrielle, nosy & in NoCentral OR

    yeah, and did he see the conversation about AMB-MR
    (mackenzie river) in August?

    penny

  13. S o r n i said:
    Zilla said:

    Per Elmsäter <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    There ain't nothing like the paint job on a Klein.
    --
    Perre 2001 Klein Adept Pro. Plumcrazy

    Quoted message said:

    ...which is why I'd hate to own a Klein MTB - I'll be all
    [censored] if I scratched it. I got a Klein roadie though (Q
    Carbon Team) with an exquisite paint job, and a smooth
    ride...

    This one? home.san.rr.comBikes.jpg
    (large file warning; clueless digital here).

    Just got back from a 45-miler...WHILE wearing my AM-B
    headband!

    Bill "blasphemer" S.

    🙂! That's exactly what I have, same color, full
    :Ultegra! How long
    have you had yours? I've had mine 6 mos. now and 600 mi.

    --
    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

  14. On 2004-06-04, MattB penned:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    The Fisher Cake small was rubbing my crotch, and I really
    didn't want a bike quite that friendly, so I nixed that
    one. The women's versions were respectively way too small
    and way too large.

    Heh. We won't be able to resist that. Especially in
    combination with your title. I bet some people would pay
    more for that kind of treatment, but being a newlywed
    you're probably already taken care of in that department.

    It's always fun to turn a witty (or smutty) phrase. Innuendo
    didn't die out when we grew up!

    Quoted message said:

    I know a couple of people who ride those. Most like them,
    and one guy broke his, but he's probably harder on his
    bikes than you are (except for getting them run over - but
    few bikes can survive that).

    Do you remember what broke, how, and/or how big the guy is?

    Quoted message said:

    I remember the front shifting being a big problem due to
    the design. Hopefully that's a thing that's been worked
    out. One of the people I know with one is the LBS owner's
    very petite wife and she really likes hers.

    Are you referring to the fourth bullet point here?

    singletrackworld.comarticle.php

    This article *claims* that it is fixed this year. I did drop
    the chain when shifting to the big ring in a situation that
    should never have caused the chain to drop -- good reason to
    test ride this puppy on a real trail before committing.

    Quoted message said:

    One reason is they are made (and owned) by Trek. So that's
    the kiss of death for some. It's definitely not a XC race
    type of bike, but it doesn't sound like that's what you
    need (you can still race on a non-race bike, just not as
    "seriously"😉.

    What kinds of things would be different on a XC race type
    bike, and would such a bike be fun in non-race situations?

    Quoted message said:

    I'd go for the XT group, but I'm kind of a snob when it
    comes to that stuff.

    I'm highly tempted to go to the 15 as well, as much for the
    fork upgrade as for the XT. The 15 has the new combo
    shifter/brake thing, though, and I have no idea what I think
    of that yet.

    --
    monique

  15. On 2004-06-04, Ozman Trad penned:

    Quoted message said:

    "Monique Y. Mudama" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message

    Quoted message said:

    kleinbikes.compal
    omino_v/index.html

    do da shocks lock out?

    The front fork on the 15 locks out; the one on the 5 does
    not. I don't think the rear on either locks out, but I
    don't know.

    --
    monique

  16. On 2004-06-04, Gwood penned:

    Quoted message said:

    I've got the prior generation Klein (Adept). I had real
    reservations when I got it since it felt too light, but I
    got a screamin deal. Now that's been through some minor
    skirmishes, I really like it and my confidence level is
    much higher. Climbs great, very nimble and feels much like
    a hardtail until it needs to go to work. The paint was
    already nicked up, so that wasn't an issue. It was one of
    the Chehalis made models, which was a nice touch.

    I'm hearing the climbing thing from many people, and that
    definitely sounds good to me. Paint; eh. It's supposed to
    get scratched.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not a freerider, but like the singletrack techie
    riding of north and central Oregon. After nearly a year
    of XC riding, it's still working well for me. Some
    component work to be done, but that's the Shimano stuff
    starting to fail.

    I'm not a freerider, either. I don't think. What's a
    freerider? I think it involves a heavier bike?

    Quoted message said:

    My buddy is hot for a Palomino as well. (ere, you know
    what I mean). I thought the dramatic slope of the seat
    tube would make the cockpit too long for his shorter upper
    body, but apparently not.

    Well, my Fuel may have been just a hair tight for my torso
    and arms. The increased slope seems to give me that touch
    more of space that I want.

    Quoted message said:

    For the money, I think they are (or were, at least)
    excellent bikes.

    I hope so =) I have tentative plans to test ride one
    tomorrow.

    --
    monique

  17. On 2004-06-05, Ride-A-Lot penned:

    Quoted message said:
    Monique Y. Mudama said:

    I test rode some bikes today. I went to a store believing
    that they carried Konas and Yetis, but it turned out they
    dropped those lines since last year. They carry Trek,
    Klein, Fisher, and Cannondale.


    <snip>

    Klein is actually becoming respectable again. I guess
    Seinfeld had to go away for a sufficient amount of time. I
    would go for the all XT and upgraded Fox fork.

    Seinfeld?

    Yeah, I'm leaning toward the 15, too.

    --
    monique

  18. "Monique Y. Mudama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The Fisher Cake small was rubbing my crotch, and I
    really didn't want a bike quite that friendly, so I
    nixed that one.

    Hmm..., I'm sorry because I can't quite picture this rubbing
    that you describe. Do you think you could post a picture of
    the rub marks so that I don't have to leave it to my
    imagination?

    The new 2005 LX will be out (most likely) this Fall. I think
    it would be a good idea to wait until then to pick up a
    sweet deal on a bike with this new group installed. Buy a
    used clunker to get you by until then...

    Dave

  19. Monique Y. Mudama said:

    On 2004-06-04, MattB penned:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    The Fisher Cake small was rubbing my crotch, and I
    really didn't want a bike quite that friendly, so I
    nixed that one. The women's versions were respectively
    way too small and way too large.

    Heh. We won't be able to resist that. Especially in
    combination with your title. I bet some people would pay
    more for that kind of treatment, but being a newlywed
    you're probably already taken care of in that department.

    It's always fun to turn a witty (or smutty) phrase.
    Innuendo didn't die out when we grew up!

    We grew up?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I know a couple of people who ride those. Most like them,
    and one guy broke his, but he's probably harder on his
    bikes than you are (except for getting them run over -
    but few bikes can survive that).

    Do you remember what broke, how, and/or how big the guy
    is?

    No, but I think JD may know.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I remember the front shifting being a big problem due to
    the design. Hopefully that's a thing that's been worked
    out. One of the people I know with one is the LBS owner's
    very petite wife and she really likes hers.

    Are you referring to the fourth bullet point here?

    singletrackworld.comarticle.php

    I think so. I thought there was also a suspension-induced
    ghost shift thing, but it's entirely possible I'm confusing
    that with another bike so don't take my word for it.

    Quoted message said:

    This article *claims* that it is fixed this year. I did
    drop the chain when shifting to the big ring in a
    situation that should never have caused the chain to drop
    -- good reason to test ride this puppy on a real trail
    before committing.

    Quoted message said:

    One reason is they are made (and owned) by Trek. So
    that's the kiss of death for some. It's definitely not a
    XC race type of bike, but it doesn't sound like that's
    what you need (you can still race on a non-race bike,
    just not as "seriously"😉.

    What kinds of things would be different on a XC race type
    bike, and would such a bike be fun in non-race situations?

    XC race bikes will usually have less travel if any at all.
    Hardtails still play a prominent role in XC races and a lot
    of the pros riding FS would ride hardtails if the sponsors
    were more into it. There's more emphasis on weight savings
    and less on comfort. I have what was designed to be a race
    FS bike, but it's still thought of as heavy and plush by
    more serious racers.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'd go for the XT group, but I'm kind of a snob when it
    comes to that stuff.

    I'm highly tempted to go to the 15 as well, as much for
    the fork upgrade as for the XT. The 15 has the new combo
    shifter/brake thing, though, and I have no idea what I
    think of that yet.

    Fox forks seem to be very well liked. I'd be tempted too. I
    don't know about the shifters either. I'd proably be willing
    to try them if they came on the bike I wanted (and I'd hope
    they were good).

    Matt

  20. Zilla said:
    S o r n i said:

    Zilla wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I got a Klein roadie though (Q Carbon Team) with an
    exquisite paint job, and a smooth ride...

    This one? home.san.rr.comBikes.jpg
    (large file warning; clueless digital* here).

    *meant to say "digitog", but spell-checker changed it.
    (Not that it's an actual word or anything.)

    Quoted message said:

    That's exactly what I have, same color, full Ultegra!
    How long have you had yours? I've had mine 6 mos. now
    and 600 mi.

    Just checked. 3033 miles since last July 15. (However, I set
    the cyclometer to 1,000 miles estimated when I installed it,
    so could be off a hundred or so either way.)

    Naturally, I've already upgraded the crank, rear derailleur
    and cassette to DuraAce for no particularly good reason,
    other than to spend money. (Oh, and a pricey set of Velomax
    Ascent II wheels, too, for "serious" rides. No idea why.)

    Bill "then there's the FSA carbon seatpost, and..." S.

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