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  1. When you make Pizza Margherita what do you do?

    1. Do you use fresh tomatoes or tomato sauce.
    2 If you use fresh tomatoes do you squeeze them first to get rid of some
    of the liquid.
    3 Do you put the tomatoes[not sauce] on top of the cheese or underneath
    4 Where do you put the basil, under the cheese, or on top.
    5 If the basil goes on top, doesn't it burn to the point where you lose
    the taste you're looking for?

    Lately I've been putting on the basil, then coarsely grated mozzeralla, and
    then large
    cherry type tomatoes sliced and crushed with a paper towel. Also I
    occasionally
    pre-cook my pizza crust for 1.5 minutes at 550F on a stone with leftover
    dough when I'm making plain old pizza. I make the Pizza Margherita, using
    the defrosted minimally cooked pizza round and bake it on the stone at 400F,
    rather than 550F. The pizza round freezes well, and makes everything easy if
    you want a quick pizza. Today we're having it for lunch.

    Kent

  2. Kent said:

    When you make Pizza Margherita what do you do?

    1. Do you use fresh tomatoes or tomato sauce.
    2 If you use fresh tomatoes do you squeeze them first to get rid of some
    of the liquid.
    3 Do you put the tomatoes[not sauce] on top of the cheese or underneath
    4 Where do you put the basil, under the cheese, or on top.
    5 If the basil goes on top, doesn't it burn to the point where you lose
    the taste you're looking for?

    Lately I've been putting on the basil, then coarsely grated mozzeralla, and
    then large
    cherry type tomatoes sliced and crushed with a paper towel. Also I
    occasionally
    pre-cook my pizza crust for 1.5 minutes at 550F on a stone with leftover
    dough when I'm making plain old pizza. I make the Pizza Margherita, using
    the defrosted minimally cooked pizza round and bake it on the stone at 400F,
    rather than 550F. The pizza round freezes well, and makes everything easy if
    you want a quick pizza. Today we're having it for lunch.

    Kent

    I use canned tomatoes that I squeeze in my hands and then drain
    I don't use fresh tomatoes because the high short heat makes them sour.
    Underneath on the dough.
    The basil is put on top of everything after the pizza comes out of the
    oven and it is raw.
    See above.
    A thread of good oil is usually added, too.

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  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Kent said:

    When you make Pizza Margherita what do you do?

    I use tequila and layer it between lemon/lime juice and a bit of salt
    with ice.
    --
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  4. Here's the Cook's Illustrated recipe:

    Pizza Margherita
    7/2006

    This recipe requires a pizza stone and a peel. Convection ovens will produce
    a lighter, crispier pizza, and you will need to reduce the overall cooking
    time by a minute or two. You can shape the second dough round while the
    first pizza bakes, but don't add toppings until just before baking. You can
    let the dough rise overnight in the refrigerator if you like; place the
    dough balls on a floured baking sheet and cover with plastic wrap coated
    with nonstick cooking spray. If using mozzarella packed in brine, pat the
    cheese cubes dry before placing them on the pizza.

    Makes two 12-inch pizzas
    Dough

    1 1/4 teaspoons instant yeast
    1 cup water (8 ounces), room temperature
    1 3/4 cups unbleached all-purpose flour (8 3/4 ounces), plus extra for
    dusting work surface and peel
    1 cup cake flour (4 ounces)
    1 1/2 teaspoons table salt
    2 teaspoons sugar

    Topping

    1 (28-ounce) can diced tomatoes
    1/2 teaspoon sugar
    1 small clove garlic , minced or pressed through a garlic press
    (optional)
    1/4 cup chopped fresh basil
    Table salt
    8 ounces fresh mozzarella cheese (see note above), cut into 1-inch
    chunks
    2 teaspoons extra virgin olive oil

    1. FOR THE CRUST: Adjust oven rack to lowest position, set pizza stone on
    oven rack, and heat oven to 500 degrees. In liquid measuring cup, whisk
    yeast into water to dissolve. In food processor fitted with metal blade,
    process flours, salt, and sugar until combined, about 5 seconds. With
    machine running, slowly add liquid through feed tube; continue to process
    until dough forms satiny, sticky ball that clears sides of workbowl, 1 1/2
    to 2 minutes. (If after 1 minute dough is sticky and clings to blade, add 1
    to 2 tablespoons all-purpose flour and continue processing. If dough appears
    dry and crumbly, add 1 to 2 tablespoons water and process until dough forms
    ball.) Divide dough in half and shape into smooth, tight balls (see photo 1,
    below). Place on floured counter or baking sheet, spacing them at least 3
    inches apart; cover loosely with plastic wrap coated with nonstick cooking
    spray and let rise until doubled in volume, about 1 hour.

    2. FOR THE TOPPING: In clean bowl of food processor, process tomatoes until
    crushed, two or three 1-second pulses. Transfer tomatoes to fine-mesh
    strainer set over bowl and let drain at least 30 minutes, stirring
    occasionally to release liquids. Just before shaping pizza rounds, combine
    drained tomatoes, sugar, garlic (if using), 1 tablespoon basil, and 1/4
    teaspoon salt in bowl.

    3. TO SHAPE AND COOK THE PIZZAS: When dough balls have doubled in size, dust
    dough liberally with flour and transfer balls to well-floured work surface.
    Press one ball into 8-inch disk (photo 2). Using flattened palms, gently
    stretch disk into 12-inch circle, working along outer edge and giving disk
    quarter turns (photos 3 and 4). Lightly flour pizza peel; lift edges of
    dough round to brush off any excess flour, then transfer dough to peel.
    Spread thin layer of tomato topping (about 1/2 cup) over dough with rubber
    spatula, leaving 1/2-inch border around edge. Slide onto stone and bake
    until crust begins to brown, about 5 minutes. Remove pizza from oven with
    peel, close oven door, and top pizza with half of cheese chunks, spaced
    evenly apart. Return pizza to stone and continue cooking until cheese is
    just melted, 4 to 5 minutes more. Transfer to cutting board; sprinkle with
    half of remaining basil, 1 teaspoon olive oil, and pinch salt. Slice and
    serve immediately. Repeat step 3 to shape, top, and bake second pizza.

    STEP BY STEP: Getting the Dough Shape Just Right
    1. Divide dough immediately after mixing and shape into smooth balls.
    2. Flatten round into 8-inch disk to eliminate large air pockets.

    3. Stretch outer edges with flattened fingers while giving quarter
    turns.
    4. If dough develops weak spots, stretch edges using backs of hands.
    STEP BY STEP: Secrets to Our Quick Recipe -- PIzza Margherita
    CANNED TOMATOES: Doctor canned tomatoes to yield a speedy, no-cook
    topping.
    FOOD PROCESSOR: Use a food processor to mix the dough to shorten
    kneading time.

  5. "Kent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    When you make Pizza Margherita what do you do?

    1. Do you use fresh tomatoes or tomato sauce.

    Fresh plump vine ripe Roma tomatoes only

    Quoted message said:

    2 If you use fresh tomatoes do you squeeze them first to get rid of


    some

    Quoted message said:

    of the liquid.

    Yes

    Quoted message said:

    3 Do you put the tomatoes[not sauce] on top of the cheese or underneath

    Cheese on top. You want to see the color, the pizza is supposed to be the
    color of the Italian flag.

    Quoted message said:

    4 Where do you put the basil, under the cheese, or on top.

    You alternate it. Little sauce, little cheese, little basil. Spread it
    around so you see it all.

    Quoted message said:

    5 If the basil goes on top, doesn't it burn to the point where you lose
    the taste you're looking for?

    Nope.

  6. Kent said:

    When you make Pizza Margherita what do you do?

    1. Do you use fresh tomatoes or tomato sauce.


    Neither. I use canned whole tomatoes and crush them before putting
    them on the pizza, which I have painted with olive oil beforehand.

    Quoted message said:

    2 If you use fresh tomatoes do you squeeze them first to get rid of some
    of the liquid.


    I drain the canned tomatoes somewhat.

    Quoted message said:

    3 Do you put the tomatoes[not sauce] on top of the cheese or underneath


    Underneath, but I don't cover all the tomatoes with cheese. I use
    slices of water-packed mozzarella balls

    Quoted message said:

    4 Where do you put the basil, under the cheese, or on top.


    Both. I put a few leaves under a few of the slices, then more on top
    when the pizza comes out of the oven.

    I bake it in a 500 degree oven (high as I can get it) on a Hearthkit
    insert that I've heated for an hour.

    David

  7. Kent said:

    When you make Pizza Margherita what do you do?

    1. Do you use fresh tomatoes or tomato sauce.
    2 If you use fresh tomatoes do you squeeze them first to get rid of some
    of the liquid.
    3 Do you put the tomatoes[not sauce] on top of the cheese or underneath
    4 Where do you put the basil, under the cheese, or on top.
    5 If the basil goes on top, doesn't it burn to the point where you lose
    the taste you're looking for?

    Pizza Margherita is not just an ingredient list of tomatoes, mozzarella
    and basil to be put together any which way. It is a pretty well defined
    recipe. Here it is:

    "Using a spoon place 60-80g of pressed, peeled tomatoes, or chopped
    fresh cherry tomatoes in to the center of the pizza base, then using a
    spiraling motion, cover the entire surface of the base with the sauce;
    using a spiraling motion, add salt on the surface of the tomato sauce;
    spread 80-100g of sliced Mozzarella STG, or fior di latte Appennino so
    that it forms a connect lath pattern on the surface of the tomato sauce;
    spread on the fresh basil leaves; using an oil canister and a spiraling
    motion starting from the center and moving out, pour 4-5g of Extra
    Virgin Olive Oil."

    Victor

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Kent said:

    When you make Pizza Margherita what do you do?

    I make a sauce of olive oil, garlic, chopped and peeled fresh sauce
    tomatoes or canned San Marzanos, and basil. The sauce is the first to go
    on the pizza round and I spread it rather thinly. Then a sprinkle of
    finely chopped fresh oregano, Then coarsely shredded cheese spread so
    you can still see tomato between the shreds. Then it's baked in in my
    gas oven at 500 F. I place the pan on the floor of the oven for the
    first few minutes then finish on a rack. When out of the oven, I
    decorate with whole basil leaves.

    boring academic stuff:

    Victor's version is a translation of the recipe from the DOC
    organization for Neapolitan pizza: Verace Pizza Napoletana Association.
    You can find it in more detail at:
    http://www.verapizzanapoletana.org/vpn/ricetta.htm
    The VPNA was founded in 1984 so this recipe is not necessarily that for
    the original from the 1880's. A perusal of recipes, including
    descriptions of pizzas encountered in Naples, show many variations
    featuring the same basic ingredients. Kinda makes you think of pastas
    "al Alfredo".

    D.M.

  9. Donald Martinich said:

    Victor's version is a translation of the recipe from
    the DOC organization for Neapolitan pizza: Verace Pizza
    Napoletana Association. You can find it in more detail at:
    http://www.verapizzanapoletana.org/vpn/ricetta.htm The VPNA
    was founded in 1984 so this recipe is not necessarily that
    for the original from the 1880's. A perusal of recipes,
    including descriptions of pizzas encountered in Naples, show
    many variations featuring the same basic ingredients. Kinda
    makes you think of pastas "al Alfredo".

    The Victor/DOC version may only date from 1984 but it seems
    to me identical to the standard pizza I had when I lived in
    Naples in the late 1960's.

    At least some reports suggest pizza has not been made continuously,
    at least in mass quantities, in Naples since the "early days"
    of the 1880's. It seems highly likely that the demand for pizza
    in Naples increased with the American occupation after 1945, and
    that the now-standard Neapolitan pizza while rooted in tradition
    developed into its current form sometime after that.

    Steve

  10. "Donald Martinich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    Victor's version is a translation of the recipe from the DOC
    organization for Neapolitan pizza: Verace Pizza Napoletana Association.
    You can find it in more detail at:
    http://www.verapizzanapoletana.org/vpn/ricetta.htm
    The VPNA was founded in 1984 so this recipe is not necessarily that for
    the original from the 1880's.

    Just because the VPNA was started in 1984 does not mean the recipe is not
    historically accurate.

  11. david the elder said:

    On Jun 2, 1:35 pm, "Kent" <[email hidden]> wrote:> When you make Pizza Margherita what do you do?

    Quoted message said:

    1. Do you use fresh tomatoes or tomato sauce.

    Neither. I use canned whole tomatoes and crush them before putting
    them on the pizza, which I have painted with olive oil beforehand.

    Quoted message said:

    2 If you use fresh tomatoes do you squeeze them first to get rid of some
    of the liquid.

    I drain the canned tomatoes somewhat.

    Quoted message said:

    3 Do you put the tomatoes[not sauce] on top of the cheese or underneath


    I always drizzle and spread around some olive oil on top of the dough
    before I put the tomatoes/tomato sauce on the dough. I feel it keeps
    the dough from absorbing the sauce. I think this depends on how much
    sauce you are putting on a thick or thin crust. I use my own
    judgement depending on these factors.
    Dee Dee

  12. Kent said:

    When you make Pizza Margherita what do you do?

    1. Do you use fresh tomatoes or tomato sauce.

    Sauce

    Quoted message said:

    2 If you use fresh tomatoes do you squeeze them first to get rid of some
    of the liquid.

    When I do use fresh, I just plop them on.

    Quoted message said:

    3 Do you put the tomatoes[not sauce] on top of the cheese or underneath

    Underneath...but I only put small bits of fresh mozzerella

    Quoted message said:

    4 Where do you put the basil, under the cheese, or on top.

    On top along with the cheese...my cheese doesn't cover the entire pizza.

    Quoted message said:

    5 If the basil goes on top, doesn't it burn to the point where you lose
    the taste you're looking for?

    Nope. The crust is so thin that it bakes quickly, not long enough for
    the basil to burn

    --
    -Gina in Italy

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    If found, return to me promptly.

  13. Giusi said:
    Kent said:

    When you make Pizza Margherita what do you do?

    1. Do you use fresh tomatoes or tomato sauce.
    2 If you use fresh tomatoes do you squeeze them first to get rid of
    some of the liquid.
    3 Do you put the tomatoes[not sauce] on top of the cheese or
    underneath
    4 Where do you put the basil, under the cheese, or on top.
    5 If the basil goes on top, doesn't it burn to the point where you
    lose the taste you're looking for?

    Lately I've been putting on the basil, then coarsely grated
    mozzeralla, and then large
    cherry type tomatoes sliced and crushed with a paper towel. Also I
    occasionally
    pre-cook my pizza crust for 1.5 minutes at 550F on a stone with
    leftover dough when I'm making plain old pizza. I make the Pizza
    Margherita, using the defrosted minimally cooked pizza round and bake
    it on the stone at 400F, rather than 550F. The pizza round freezes
    well, and makes everything easy if you want a quick pizza. Today we're
    having it for lunch.

    Kent

    I use canned tomatoes that I squeeze in my hands and then drain
    I don't use fresh tomatoes because the high short heat makes them sour.
    Underneath on the dough.
    The basil is put on top of everything after the pizza comes out of the
    oven and it is raw.
    See above.
    A thread of good oil is usually added, too.

    Definitely olive oil! I use that too.

    --
    -Gina in Italy

    Sig Not Found.

    If found, return to me promptly.

  14. Donald Martinich said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Kent said:

    When you make Pizza Margherita what do you do?

    I make a sauce of olive oil, garlic, chopped and peeled fresh sauce
    tomatoes or canned San Marzanos, and basil. The sauce is the first to go
    on the pizza round and I spread it rather thinly. Then a sprinkle of
    finely chopped fresh oregano, Then coarsely shredded cheese spread so
    you can still see tomato between the shreds. Then it's baked in in my
    gas oven at 500 F. I place the pan on the floor of the oven for the
    first few minutes then finish on a rack. When out of the oven, I
    decorate with whole basil leaves.

    boring academic stuff:

    Victor's version is a translation of the recipe from the DOC
    organization for Neapolitan pizza: Verace Pizza Napoletana Association.
    You can find it in more detail at:
    http://www.verapizzanapoletana.org/vpn/ricetta.htm
    The VPNA was founded in 1984 so this recipe is not necessarily that for
    the original from the 1880's. A perusal of recipes, including
    descriptions of pizzas encountered in Naples, show many variations
    featuring the same basic ingredients. Kinda makes you think of pastas
    "al Alfredo".

    D.M.

    Neapolitan pizzas are very varied, but Margarita is not. It is like a
    hot cheese and tomato sandwich with basil. There is nothing else on it.
    That's just true, not academic, but true. The right mozzarella is too
    soft to grate and is sliced. It's hard to find in the US, but I hear it
    is there. It's worth hunting down IMO.

    Make what you like, just better to use the name Napolitana or Marinara
    as I don't recall which yours is called.

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  15. Donald Martinich said:

    boring academic stuff:

    Victor's version is a translation of the recipe from the DOC
    organization for Neapolitan pizza: Verace Pizza Napoletana Association.
    You can find it in more detail at:
    http://www.verapizzanapoletana.org/vpn/ricetta.htm
    The VPNA was founded in 1984 so this recipe is not necessarily that for
    the original from the 1880's. A perusal of recipes, including
    descriptions of pizzas encountered in Naples, show many variations
    featuring the same basic ingredients. Kinda makes you think of pastas
    "al Alfredo".

    Well, the stuff may be boring, but it is anything but academic.
    Specifications for Neapolitan pizza types are not a result of some
    diktat from above, from some government commission or a trade
    association. They were decided upon by the actual pizzaioli, with most
    every pizzaiolo in Naples participating. What they codified was simply
    their actual practice of making pizza. Nothing could be less academic
    and more practical and reflecting actual reality.

    Victor

  16. "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    david the elder said:

    On Jun 2, 1:35 pm, "Kent" <[email hidden]> wrote:> When you make
    Pizza Margherita what do you do?

    Quoted message said:

    1. Do you use fresh tomatoes or tomato sauce.

    Neither. I use canned whole tomatoes and crush them before putting
    them on the pizza, which I have painted with olive oil beforehand.

    Quoted message said:

    2 If you use fresh tomatoes do you squeeze them first to get rid of
    some
    of the liquid.

    I drain the canned tomatoes somewhat.

    Quoted message said:

    3 Do you put the tomatoes[not sauce] on top of the cheese or
    underneath


    I always drizzle and spread around some olive oil on top of the dough
    before I put the tomatoes/tomato sauce on the dough. I feel it keeps
    the dough from absorbing the sauce. I think this depends on how much
    sauce you are putting on a thick or thin crust. I use my own
    judgement depending on these factors.
    Dee Dee


    I spray the top of my dough with PAM, which does the same with much less
    oil.

    Kent

    Quoted message said:
  17. Kent said:

    "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    david the elder said:

    On Jun 2, 1:35 pm, "Kent" <[email hidden]> wrote:> When you make
    Pizza Margherita what do you do?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > 1. Do you use fresh tomatoes or tomato sauce.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Neither. I use canned whole tomatoes and crush them before putting
    them on the pizza, which I have painted with olive oil beforehand.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > 2 If you use fresh tomatoes do you squeeze them first to get rid of
    > some
    > of the liquid.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I drain the canned tomatoes somewhat.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > 3 Do you put the tomatoes[not sauce] on top of the cheese or
    > underneath

    Quoted message said:

    I always drizzle and spread around some olive oil on top of the dough
    before I put the tomatoes/tomato sauce on the dough. I feel it keeps
    the dough from absorbing the sauce. I think this depends on how much
    sauce you are putting on a thick or thin crust. I use my own
    judgement depending on these factors.
    Dee Dee

    I spray the top of my dough with PAM, which does the same with much less
    oil.

    Kent

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    Or, if you want olive oil and like the taste of it, they have olive
    oil in that same type of can as Pam. You just have to look for it in
    places like TJ's, Wegman's, Whole Foods, Italian markets, etc.
    Dee

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Victor Sack) said:
    Donald Martinich said:

    boring academic stuff:

    Victor's version is a translation of the recipe from the DOC
    organization for Neapolitan pizza: Verace Pizza Napoletana Association.
    You can find it in more detail at:
    http://www.verapizzanapoletana.org/vpn/ricetta.htm
    The VPNA was founded in 1984 so this recipe is not necessarily that for
    the original from the 1880's. A perusal of recipes, including
    descriptions of pizzas encountered in Naples, show many variations
    featuring the same basic ingredients. Kinda makes you think of pastas
    "al Alfredo".

    Well, the stuff may be boring, but it is anything but academic.
    Specifications for Neapolitan pizza types are not a result of some
    diktat from above, from some government commission or a trade
    association. They were decided upon by the actual pizzaioli, with most
    every pizzaiolo in Naples participating. What they codified was simply
    their actual practice of making pizza. Nothing could be less academic
    and more practical and reflecting actual reality.

    Victor

    You misunderstood my use of the word "academic". I was referring to the
    fact that I bothered to footnote your post, not the recipe. (But, it is
    certainly specific and precise enough to please any academic. ;=]) The
    purported recipes and descriptions I tracked down were surprisingly
    varied for a food item with supposedly only 3 ingredients. That is why
    I mentioned Alfredo. A good example of how one dish specific to one
    restaurant (originally) can spawn so many permutations worldwide while
    using the same name.

    D.M.

  19. Dee Dee said:
    Kent said:

    "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    ors.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dee Dee


    I spray the top of my dough with PAM, which does the same with much less
    oil.

    Kent

    Quoted message said:


    Or, if you want olive oil and like the taste of it, they have olive
    oil in that same type of can as Pam. You just have to look for it in
    places like TJ's, Wegman's, Whole Foods, Italian markets, etc.
    Dee


    I don't get why people who don't want oil want to make pizza? If you
    want to spray oil they sell sprayers made for the purpose and it is very
    helpful when styling food for photography, but pizza needs oil-- the
    flavor, the unctuous goodness of it.

    Pizza is a bit fattening just like a grilled cheese sandwich is a bit
    fattening. Eat the real thing in smaller portions seems the right way
    to go, rather than remove the goodness of it so you can eat a lot of it.

    Pizza is one of those things that isn't improved by screwing around with
    it. A simple dough, raised a long time-- 12 hours is a benchmark--
    topped lightly with a few fine ingredients and cooked in a flash.
    The other roads tend to lead toward Cool Whip Lite.

    --
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  20. Giusi said:

    Pizza is one of those things that isn't improved by screwing around with
    it. A simple dough, raised a long time-- 12 hours is a benchmark--
    topped lightly with a few fine ingredients and cooked in a flash.

    I agree. So does Julia's guest, chef Roberto Donna. See his version
    of Pizza Margherita on video:

    http://www.pbs.org/juliachild/meet/donna.html

    nb

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