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  1. Default User said:

    Then you are doomed to working class or lower middle management.

    Quoted message said:

    After many years in the work force I came to realize that the people
    who get ahead are the people who kiss ass or those who make
    themselves look better that others, usually by running them down
    behind their backs.

    I will disagree with this. I know many people at my company who got
    ahead by being hard workers and caring, dilligent managers. That your
    work experiences have been different is too bad for you.

    The people I saw getting ahead made it look like they were busy. They took
    a lot of credit for things other people did, never missed an opportunity
    to make others look bad.

  2. Blair P. Houghton said:
    Bob (this one) said:
    Blair P. Houghton said:

    Bob (this one) wrote:

    >~patches~ wrote:
    >
    >>Sad, sad, sad. No cookie for you either.
    >
    >WHOOOOOOOOOOSHHHH.

    You want me to explain it for you?

    As if... <LOL>

    You sure made a big deal of it sailing over your head.

    IKYABWAI...

    Give it up, Blair, although, in this case, it ought to be Blare.

    You weren't funny/smart/clever/interesting/amusing with your first
    comment and it went downhill from there.

    Pastorio

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    That's ok if you're working on a factory line or something, but once
    you're in a specialized field -- what's the point? If your manager can
    do your job, what are you there for?

    For a while we had a self directed work team. There had been massive
    reorganization in our management. They did away with every second layer of
    management. Productivity went up.

    Quoted message said:

    I'd rather work for a company that supports its employees by
    hiring/training managers who can actually manage people, and that
    understands that just because you're very good at a particular job
    doesn't mean you should be promoted to managing people. (This is a big
    problem in IT -- engineers get promoted to management because they've
    been there a long time and they're really good engineers. They are
    rarely good managers, however, as this is a whole different skill set.)

    Maybe my experience is jaded because I worked for the government, though it
    looks like larger business works the same. It is about numbers. You have to
    spend a lot of time and have a lot of meetings and try to make something out of
    the numbers.

    I worked in commercial vehicle inspections. We used to spend a lot of time
    watching trucks go by and rolling over the scales looking for defects and
    problem operators. We did 3-4 full inspections per day and out Out of Service
    rate was over 75%. When we got a more right wing government with more wannabe
    businessmen types running the show they wanted more inspections done. If we did
    more inspections done in a day it meant that is cost less per inspections. We
    objected on the basis that it took time to find the problem trucks and buses and
    that more inspections without prescreeing for defects meant few trucks detained
    and few charges. That was not a problem for them. I was told that if the out of
    service rate didn't drop it would look like our program wasn't working.

    We used to all have our own cruisers and would spend time looking for trucks
    bypassing the scales. These guys took most of our cruisers off the road and
    stuck most of the guys at the scales where the trucks came right to them. That
    meant that the problem trucks were free to run the bypass routes without worry.
    And of course they had to go out and hire a bunch of managers to oversee the day
    to day operations and make sure everyone was doing X number of inspections per
    day.

    But by god we looked good on paper. We had did more inspections, had few defects
    and cut costs.

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