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  1. I'm growing French tarragon here in Canada. Nice looking tarragon and
    vinegar. I make quite a few herbed vinegars so will be sure to make so
    tarragon. Have you ever experimented using a different vinegar than white?

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    Quoted message said:

    I'm growing French tarragon here in Canada. Nice looking tarragon and
    vinegar. I make quite a few herbed vinegars so will be sure to make so
    tarragon. Have you ever experimented using a different vinegar than
    white?

    No I didn't. because I think that tarragon is delicate and if you put it in
    the red vinegar, you wouldn't taste it .
    Ciao
    Pandora

  3. Pandora said:

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    Quoted message said:

    I'm growing French tarragon here in Canada. Nice looking tarragon and
    vinegar. I make quite a few herbed vinegars so will be sure to make so
    tarragon. Have you ever experimented using a different vinegar than
    white?

    No I didn't. because I think that tarragon is delicate and if you put it in
    the red vinegar, you wouldn't taste it .
    Ciao
    Pandora


    I was thinking something not as harsh as white vinegar. Perhaps a white
    wine vinegar?

  4. Pandora said:

    "~patches~" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm growing French tarragon here in Canada. Nice looking tarragon and
    vinegar. I make quite a few herbed vinegars so will be sure to make so
    tarragon. Have you ever experimented using a different vinegar than
    white?

    No I didn't. because I think that tarragon is delicate and if you put it in
    the red vinegar, you wouldn't taste it .

    I agree. Tarragon is subtle and very gentle.

    Here's a piece I wrote about infused vinegars (before I started making
    and selling them), and a list of some of the ones I've made for
    commercial sale over the past few years. Yes, I made up the recipes and
    the names. They taste and smell good, but since there's no name for the
    sorts of things I was producing, I named them myself.

    Pastorio

    ----------------
    Sour Wine - sweet seasonings
    Thousands of years ago, some fruit juice was exposed to wild airborne
    yeasts. Wine happened. It was probably not long after that signal event
    that some of the wine spoiled because of other airborne bacteria. Our
    word "vinegar" comes from the French "vin aigre" or sour wine. In Italy,
    it's "aceto" from which comes "acetic acid" the flavor base for all
    vinegars.
    Virtually every culture on earth uses vinegar as a flavoring (alone or
    blended with flavors), as a preservative or beverage! In the Middle
    East, dilute vinegar was drunk to quench thirst.
    Nowadays, we use vinegars mainly as marinating and cooking flavors and
    for preserving foods. Vinegar has one nice characteristic that we can
    use; it readily accepts the flavors of herbs, spices and fruit.
    In most supermarkets, you can find flavored vinegars. Or, you can very
    easily make your own to suit your tastes. If you need more good news -
    vinegars have two calories per tablespoon.
    There are three main types of vinegars available: Cider, made from
    apples; White, made from fruit, grains, etc. then distilled to be clear,
    and; Wine, either white or red wine. Most vinegars are diluted to
    anywhere from 4% to 7% acidity. The more acid, the tangier and sharper
    the taste.
    Additionally, there are malt vinegars, balsamic vinegars, rice
    vinegar... anything that can be fermented to produce alcohol can be
    refermented to produce acetic acid, the substance that gives the
    distinctive smell and taste of vinegar.
    Compounded vinegars with added flavorings offer subtler and richer
    tastes and can add new sparkle to old favorite foods. Cole slaw made
    with both white and red cabbage dressed with mayonnaise (made with half
    cinnamon and half lemon vinegars) and a dash of raspberry vinegar stops
    picnickers in their tracks. The slaw is pink and you can smell the
    secondary flavors, and especially, the raspberry. After that first
    careful forkful, you'll be surprised at the reaction. Even the kids like
    it.
    You can make your own flavored vinegars easily and inexpensively. At my
    home, I have about a dozen and a half different pint bottles filled with
    vinegar and things for flavoring. Some have seeds, others - cloves of
    garlic, leaves, peppers, powders or just clear liquids with a hint of
    color.
    Adding the flavors is the simplest job in the kitchen. Combine the
    vinegar with the flavoring agent and wait two weeks. Want to shorten it
    to days? Stand the uncovered bottles of vinegar and flavoring in a pan
    of hot water (180 degrees or so) for an hour or two, then let them cool,
    cap them and wait about three days for the flavors to develop.
    What flavors? How much to use? In which types of vinegar? What size
    bottles? As far as how much of the flavoring to use, I just put stuff
    into pint bottles until I don't think I should put any more. Very
    scientific.
    Let's look at the combinations I've tried so far. The first listing is
    for "orange flavoring in cider vinegar." The rest are listed following
    the same format of flavor/vinegar.

    * Orange/cider - with the dried and finely chopped peel of one or two
    oranges. Peel the orange with a vegetable peeler so none of the white
    gets into the vinegar. The white (or pith) is bitter. You could use
    dried orange rind from the supermarket spice section. Great for fruit
    salads or molds.
    * Lemon/cider - peel of two lemons. Does magic for oily fish like tuna
    or salmon. Two or three drops on ripe melon is a pleasant shock.
    * Grapefruit/cider - obviously citric but people look confused for a
    moment until they figure it out. Cuts through oiliness. Fresh tuna,
    salmon or, best, mackerel.
    * Garlic/red or white wine or a blend - five peeled cloves of garlic on
    a skewer in a tall-necked bottle. Very decorative that way. Or, one
    clove of Elephant garlic in a large-mouth jar. Full, rich flavor and
    full scent. Mostly for salads and only with friends. Garlic/white wine
    is more subtle and somehow graceful although not as bold as the red.
    * Cinnamon/cider - I first tried a tablespoon of ground cinnamon. Tastes
    good, looks bad. The vinegar ends up cloudy and there's a ring around
    the inside of the bottle at the top of the liquid. Now I use a large
    cinnamon stick and leave it on heat for about 3 hours. Surprising what
    a tablespoon in an apple pie does; toss with apple slices before putting
    into the shell. Good in a Waldorf Salad.
    * Peppercorn/cider - one of the best. A half cup whole, black
    peppercorns in the bottle. Open the bottle and smell the sweet, pure
    scent of fresh pepper. A few drops on a steak is terrific. Use it in a
    beurre blanc for meat. Add some to barbecue sauce or beef gravy.
    * Shallot/cider - nasty tasting, stinky and an altogether,
    no-doubt-about-it failure.
    * Ginger/cider - a good one. One good sized hand (that's what the full
    root is called) of fresh ginger, sliced thin and put into the vinegar
    for a week or so. Run it through a strainer before using to take the
    slices out. Use in fish poaching liquid. Makes a wonderful mayonnaise
    for tuna salad or anything like it. The ginger slices can be used as a
    completely different condiment much like Japanese pickled ginger.
    * Anise/white wine- Anise seed tastes and smells like licorice. About a
    quarter cup of seeds. Good on fruit salads, white-fleshed fish, strongly
    flavored vegetables like broccoli.
    * Mint/white wine- a couple sprigs of fresh or quarter cup of dried mint
    flakes - make a highly aromatic vinegar. Nice on salads, especially if
    there are fruit included. Add a few drops to marinade and/or gravy for
    lamb.
    * Basil-Garlic/cider - Superb as part of an oil and vinegar salad
    dressing or a blended vinaigrette for cooked vegetables. Broccoli,
    cauliflower and cabbage work beautifully with this one. Five basil
    leaves and three cloves garlic.
    * Honey/cider - Quarter cup honey. Very quiet touch of sweet and sour
    and adds a nicely puzzling texture note to salads and fruit compotes.
    * Jalapeno/Anaheim/Cayenne peppers/cider or red wine - one of each type
    of pepper in the bottle. Bites the tongue hard if you're not careful.
    Judiciously used, this one makes marinades, salsa, mayonnaise and salad
    dressings sing. The scent is rich and peppery and it makes sauces sparkle.

    Other flavors that work very well are:
    * Raspberry, blueberry, strawberry with either fresh fruit or syrups.
    * Caraway, celery, fennel seeds.
    * Tarragon, oregano, dill, basil - use either fresh or dried, but fresh
    is better.
    For salads, I like to use a blend of lemon, peppercorn, orange and
    ginger vinegars from my windowsill. Picture a chilled seafood salad like
    this: yellow onion, red pimento, green pepper and black olives with
    white fish, pink shrimp and creamy-gold scallops. Of course you can come
    up with your own approaches.
    Sauces, salads, seafoods, stews - do yourself a flavor favor with some
    "sour wine".
    Bob Pastorio
    -------------------

    Aged Cranberry-Balsamic Vinegar
    Balsamic and red wine vinegars steeped for more than one year with fresh
    cranberries
    Aged, Peasant-style Garlic in White Wine Vinegar
    Fresh garlic cloves skewered and steeped in white wine vinegar.
    Champagne Vinegar with Fresh Tarragon
    Vinegar made from champagne infused with fresh tarragon
    China Star Vinegar
    Star anise, cinnamon, sugar cane vinegar, red Chinkiang vinegar and
    ginger vinegar
    European Sipping Vinegar
    Cinnamon sticks, ginger, orange, lemon and lime slices, cloves, fennel
    seeds in cider vinegar
    Golden Moon Vinegar
    Apricots, cloves and cinnamon stick in white wine vinegar
    Greek Seacoast Vinegar
    White wine vinegar, thyme, rosemary, garlic and peppers
    Italian Wine Country Vinegar
    White wine vinegar with sweet peppers, hot peppers, garlic, rosemary,
    thyme, oregano and peppercorns
    Italian Forever Vinegar
    Red wine vinegar, garlic, basil, rosemary, oregano and fennel seed
    Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme Vinegar
    The four legendary herbs, garlic, white wine vinegar and red wine vinegar
    Raspberry Champagne Vinegar
    Vinegar made from champagne infused with fresh raspberries
    Scandinavian Seasoned Vinegar
    White, cider and malt vinegars, dill, sage, orange slices, lemon
    slices, cardamom, peppercorns
    Sicilian Summer Vinegar
    White wine vinegar with dried apples, peaches, apricots, pears,
    cinnamon sticks, whole cloves
    Spanish Golden Vinegar
    Garlic, red and green chili peppers, basil, oregano in white and red
    wine and apple cider vinegar

    Pastorio

  5. Bob (this one) said:
    Pandora said:

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    Quoted message said:

    I'm growing French tarragon here in Canada. Nice looking tarragon
    and vinegar. I make quite a few herbed vinegars so will be sure to
    make so tarragon. Have you ever experimented using a different
    vinegar than white?

    No I didn't. because I think that tarragon is delicate and if you put
    it in the red vinegar, you wouldn't taste it .

    I agree. Tarragon is subtle and very gentle.

    Here's a piece I wrote about infused vinegars (before I started making
    and selling them), and a list of some of the ones I've made for
    commercial sale over the past few years. Yes, I made up the recipes and
    the names. They taste and smell good, but since there's no name for the
    sorts of things I was producing, I named them myself.

    Pastorio


    <snip of very useful info>

    Thanks! I've printed off your post and will start experimenting.

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    Pandora said:

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    Quoted message said:

    I'm growing French tarragon here in Canada. Nice looking tarragon and
    vinegar. I make quite a few herbed vinegars so will be sure to make so
    tarragon. Have you ever experimented using a different vinegar than
    white?

    No I didn't. because I think that tarragon is delicate and if you put it
    in the red vinegar, you wouldn't taste it .
    Ciao
    Pandora


    I was thinking something not as harsh as white vinegar. Perhaps a white
    wine vinegar?

    Is the same! or I'm wrong? White vinegar and white wine vinegar are the same
    thing 🙂
    Cheeers Pandora

  7. Pandora said:

    Is the same! or I'm wrong? White vinegar and white wine vinegar are the same
    thing 🙂

    Not in the US! White vinegar = distilled vinegar

    http://www.foodsubs.com/Vinegars.html#white
    http://www.hormel.com/kitchen/glossary.asp?akw=&id=35250&catitemid=

    According to http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC3470.htm
    Distilled white vinegar is clear in color and has a sharp acidic taste
    by itself. It is the best choice for delicately flavored herbs.

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    Quoted message said:
    Pandora said:

    Is the same! or I'm wrong? White vinegar and white wine vinegar are the
    same
    thing 🙂

    Not in the US! White vinegar = distilled vinegar

    http://www.foodsubs.com/Vinegars.html#white
    http://www.hormel.com/kitchen/glossary.asp?akw=&id=35250&catitemid=

    According to http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC3470.htm
    Distilled white vinegar is clear in color and has a sharp acidic taste
    by itself. It is the best choice for delicately flavored herbs.

    Dear sf. Thank for the links! I saw that white vinegar is also useful to
    polish windows... 🙂)) and is not so delicate.
    Pherhaps the one that I use is white wine vinegar!
    I have also seen in your links that there is a fruit vinegar (like
    strawberry vinegar). But I haven't seen apple vinegar.
    I tell you this because a friend of mine gave me 5 litres of apple vinegar
    and I was tempted to put inside my Tarragon! I've never tried this.
    Then I have read that you must put only some leaves (that you remove in only
    2 weeks)of the plant to avoid the loss of acidity. This is not right because
    I have a bottle of tarragon vinegar (with the leaves inside, still green and
    hard) made 3 years ago, and I sure you that is more acid and strong. very
    good becaus It became IMHO a sort of Cognac (very old!). The only thing I
    did is that I kept it in the obscurity.
    Thanks
    Pandora
    P.S. Have you got in America, or better, do you make apples vinegar in US?

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    Pandora said:

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    >I'm growing French tarragon here in Canada. Nice looking tarragon and
    >vinegar. I make quite a few herbed vinegars so will be sure to make so
    >tarragon. Have you ever experimented using a different vinegar than
    >white?

    No I didn't. because I think that tarragon is delicate and if you put it
    in the red vinegar, you wouldn't taste it .
    Ciao
    Pandora

    I was thinking something not as harsh as white vinegar. Perhaps a white
    wine vinegar?

    Is the same! or I'm wrong? White vinegar and white wine vinegar are the same
    thing 🙂
    Cheeers Pandora


    Here they are two different things. Regular white vinegar has a harsher
    taste. It is really cheap at 4L for a couple of dollars or less. It is
    almost clear. White wine vinegar has a mellow flavour with a sweet
    tinge making it really nice for fruit vinegars. A 500 ml bottle will
    cost anywhere from three to four dollars. The colour is a mellow yellow
    instead of clear. I think it would make a good tarragon vinegar so I'm
    going to try a small batch and see how it comes out.

  10. Pandora said:

    "sf" <[email hidden]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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    Quoted message said:
    Pandora said:

    Is the same! or I'm wrong? White vinegar and white wine vinegar are the
    same
    thing 🙂

    Not in the US! White vinegar = distilled vinegar

    http://www.foodsubs.com/Vinegars.html#white
    http://www.hormel.com/kitchen/glossary.asp?akw=&id=35250&catitemid=

    According to http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC3470.htm
    Distilled white vinegar is clear in color and has a sharp acidic taste
    by itself. It is the best choice for delicately flavored herbs.

    Dear sf. Thank for the links! I saw that white vinegar is also useful to
    polish windows... 🙂)) and is not so delicate.
    Pherhaps the one that I use is white wine vinegar!
    I have also seen in your links that there is a fruit vinegar (like
    strawberry vinegar). But I haven't seen apple vinegar.
    I tell you this because a friend of mine gave me 5 litres of apple vinegar
    and I was tempted to put inside my Tarragon! I've never tried this.
    Then I have read that you must put only some leaves (that you remove in only
    2 weeks)of the plant to avoid the loss of acidity. This is not right because
    I have a bottle of tarragon vinegar (with the leaves inside, still green and
    hard) made 3 years ago, and I sure you that is more acid and strong. very
    good becaus It became IMHO a sort of Cognac (very old!). The only thing I
    did is that I kept it in the obscurity.
    Thanks
    Pandora
    P.S. Have you got in America, or better, do you make apples vinegar in US?


    In Canada, you can buy the following vinegars fairly easily even in
    smaller areas - apple cider vinegar, malt vinegar (English style for
    fish & chips), white vinegar, red wine vinegar, white wine vinegar, rice
    vinegar, and pickling vinegar. In larger areas, you should be able to
    find fruit and herb vinegars pre-made. I can't get them here so I make
    my own.

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    >
    >>I'm growing French tarragon here in Canada. Nice looking tarragon and
    >>vinegar. I make quite a few herbed vinegars so will be sure to make so
    >>tarragon. Have you ever experimented using a different vinegar than
    >>white?
    >
    >
    >No I didn't. because I think that tarragon is delicate and if you put it
    >in the red vinegar, you wouldn't taste it .
    >Ciao
    >Pandora

    I was thinking something not as harsh as white vinegar. Perhaps a white
    wine vinegar?

    Is the same! or I'm wrong? White vinegar and white wine vinegar are the
    same
    thing 🙂
    Cheeers Pandora


    Here they are two different things. Regular white vinegar has a harsher
    taste. It is really cheap at 4L for a couple of dollars or less. It is
    almost clear. White wine vinegar has a mellow flavour with a sweet tinge
    making it really nice for fruit vinegars. A 500 ml bottle will cost
    anywhere from three to four dollars. The colour is a mellow yellow
    instead of clear. I think it would make a good tarragon vinegar so I'm
    going to try a small batch and see how it comes out.

    Here in Italy we use only wine vinegar. You can try, is very good with
    Tarragon.
    Cheers
    Pandora

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    Pandora said:

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    On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:05:40 GMT, Pandora wrote:

    > Is the same! or I'm wrong? White vinegar and white wine vinegar are the
    >same
    > thing 🙂

    Not in the US! White vinegar = distilled vinegar

    http://www.foodsubs.com/Vinegars.html#white
    http://www.hormel.com/kitchen/glossary.asp?akw=&id=35250&catitemid=

    According to http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC3470.htm
    Distilled white vinegar is clear in color and has a sharp acidic taste
    by itself. It is the best choice for delicately flavored herbs.

    Dear sf. Thank for the links! I saw that white vinegar is also useful to
    polish windows... 🙂)) and is not so delicate.
    Pherhaps the one that I use is white wine vinegar!
    I have also seen in your links that there is a fruit vinegar (like
    strawberry vinegar). But I haven't seen apple vinegar.
    I tell you this because a friend of mine gave me 5 litres of apple
    vinegar
    and I was tempted to put inside my Tarragon! I've never tried this.
    Then I have read that you must put only some leaves (that you remove in
    only
    2 weeks)of the plant to avoid the loss of acidity. This is not right
    because
    I have a bottle of tarragon vinegar (with the leaves inside, still green
    and
    hard) made 3 years ago, and I sure you that is more acid and strong. very
    good becaus It became IMHO a sort of Cognac (very old!). The only thing I
    did is that I kept it in the obscurity.
    Thanks
    Pandora
    P.S. Have you got in America, or better, do you make apples vinegar in
    US?


    In Canada, you can buy the following vinegars fairly easily even in
    smaller areas - apple cider vinegar, malt vinegar (English style for fish
    & chips), white vinegar, red wine vinegar, white wine vinegar, rice
    vinegar, and pickling vinegar. In larger areas, you should be able to
    find fruit and herb vinegars pre-made. I can't get them here so I make my
    own.

    I also think it is better to make it by themselves! Because it is more
    flavoured!
    Once upon a time I bought a pre-made Tarragon vinegar. It smelled of all
    things, exept for tarragon! 🙂))
    Cheers
    Pandora

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    >I'm growing French tarragon here in Canada. Nice looking tarragon and
    >vinegar. I make quite a few herbed vinegars so will be sure to make so
    >tarragon. Have you ever experimented using a different vinegar than
    >white?

    No I didn't. because I think that tarragon is delicate and if you put it
    in the red vinegar, you wouldn't taste it .
    Ciao
    Pandora


    I was thinking something not as harsh as white vinegar. Perhaps a white
    wine vinegar?

    Is the same! or I'm wrong? White vinegar and white wine vinegar are the
    same
    thing 🙂
    Cheeers Pandora


    Not over here. I don't know what they make white vinegar from, but it's not
    wine. We have White vinegar, Cider vinegar, balsamic vinegar, white and red
    wine vinegar and (yuk) malt vinegar.

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    >>I'm growing French tarragon here in Canada. Nice looking tarragon and
    >>vinegar. I make quite a few herbed vinegars so will be sure to make so
    >>tarragon. Have you ever experimented using a different vinegar than
    >>white?
    >
    >
    > No I didn't. because I think that tarragon is delicate and if you put
    > it
    > in the red vinegar, you wouldn't taste it .
    > Ciao
    > Pandora
    I was thinking something not as harsh as white vinegar. Perhaps a white
    wine vinegar?

    Is the same! or I'm wrong? White vinegar and white wine vinegar are the
    same
    thing 🙂
    Cheeers Pandora


    Not over here. I don't know what they make white vinegar from, but it's
    not wine. We have White vinegar, Cider vinegar, balsamic vinegar, white
    and red wine vinegar and (yuk) malt vinegar.


    here in Italy I know only the white or red wine vinegar (puff!Puff! How long
    is this name...🙂))))
    Then we have the balsamic the aromatized vinegar...
    Cheers
    Pandora

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    Quoted message said:
    Pandora said:

    Is the same! or I'm wrong? White vinegar and white wine vinegar are the
    same thing 🙂

    Not in the US! White vinegar = distilled vinegar

    http://www.foodsubs.com/Vinegars.html#white
    http://www.hormel.com/kitchen/glossary.asp?akw=&id=35250&catitemid=

    According to http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC3470.htm
    Distilled white vinegar is clear in color and has a sharp acidic taste
    by itself. It is the best choice for delicately flavored herbs.

    Dear sf. Thank for the links! I saw that white vinegar is also useful to
    polish windows... 🙂)) and is not so delicate.
    Pherhaps the one that I use is white wine vinegar!

    Just think what it does for your veins and arteries! LOL!

    Quoted message said:

    I have also seen in your links that there is a fruit vinegar (like
    strawberry vinegar). But I haven't seen apple vinegar.

    We call it "cider" vinegar over here. I use it as my main vinegar
    because even though it's stronger than wine vinegar, it's not harsh.
    We have packaged salad dressing mixes that contain a bit of sugar, so
    they have been formulated to be used with cider or white vinegar.

    If you scroll up the first link I gave you at foodsubs, you'll find
    this entry

    cider vinegar = apple cider vinegar Notes: Made from fermented
    apples, this fruity vinegar is inexpensive and tangy. While it's not
    the best choice for vinaigrettes or delicate sauces, it works well in
    chutneys, hearty stews, and marinades. It's also used to make
    pickles, though it will darken light-colored fruits and vegetables.
    Substitutes: malt vinegar OR white vinegar (a good choice for
    pickles) OR wine vinegar (not for pickles)

    Quoted message said:

    I tell you this because a friend of mine gave me 5 litres of apple vinegar
    and I was tempted to put inside my Tarragon! I've never tried this.

    Heck, I'd give it a try. Make a bottle or two and see how you like
    it!

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    Then I have read that you must put only some leaves (that you remove in only
    2 weeks)of the plant to avoid the loss of acidity. This is not right because
    I have a bottle of tarragon vinegar (with the leaves inside, still green and
    hard) made 3 years ago, and I sure you that is more acid and strong. very
    good because It became IMHO a sort of Cognac (very old!). The only thing I
    did is that I kept it in the obscurity.

    Do it your way (I think keeping it in the dark is a good "trick" that
    we need to know)... and obviously, it works for you. You might want
    to add a bit more tarragon because cider vinegar is stronger than wine
    vinegar.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks
    Pandora
    P.S. Have you got in America, or better, do you make apples vinegar in US?


    Cider vinegar is an American staple.... at least in my kitchen.
    🙂

  16. MOMPEAGRAM said:

    (yuk) malt vinegar.

    How can you say that? It's good! I've never taken a liking to
    "white" vinegar.

  17. Pandora said:

    here in Italy I know only the white or red wine vinegar (puff!Puff! How long
    is this name...🙂))))

    Over here - we have lots of choices so we have to distinguish our
    "distilled white", from "white wine" vinegar.

    🙂

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    >>I'm growing French tarragon here in Canada. Nice looking tarragon and
    >>vinegar. I make quite a few herbed vinegars so will be sure to make so
    >>tarragon. Have you ever experimented using a different vinegar than
    >>white?
    >
    >
    >No I didn't. because I think that tarragon is delicate and if you put it
    >in the red vinegar, you wouldn't taste it .
    >Ciao
    >Pandora

    I was thinking something not as harsh as white vinegar. Perhaps a white
    wine vinegar?

    Is the same! or I'm wrong? White vinegar and white wine vinegar are the
    same
    thing 🙂
    Cheeers Pandora

    Not over here. I don't know what they make white vinegar from, but it's not
    wine. We have White vinegar, Cider vinegar, balsamic vinegar, white and red
    wine vinegar and (yuk) malt vinegar.


    I forgot balsamic vinegar. How could I do that? I love malt vinegar on
    English style fish and chips; lemon on the fish, malt vinegar on the
    chips. DH hates even the smell of malt vinegar. He uses that icky
    tartar sauce on the fish.

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    MOMPEAGRAM said:

    (yuk) malt vinegar.

    How can you say that? It's good! I've never taken a liking to
    "white" vinegar.

    All a matter of taste! I'm Scot but raised in Canada. I like white vinegar
    on my fries. My husband is Brit and raised in London and he likes
    malt on his chips.

    Mom

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    >>>I'm growing French tarragon here in Canada. Nice looking tarragon and
    >>>vinegar. I make quite a few herbed vinegars so will be sure to make
    >>>so
    >>>tarragon. Have you ever experimented using a different vinegar than
    >>>white?
    >>
    >>
    >>No I didn't. because I think that tarragon is delicate and if you put
    >>it
    >>in the red vinegar, you wouldn't taste it .
    >>Ciao
    >>Pandora
    >
    >I was thinking something not as harsh as white vinegar. Perhaps a white
    >wine vinegar?

    Is the same! or I'm wrong? White vinegar and white wine vinegar are the
    same
    thing 🙂
    Cheeers Pandora

    Not over here. I don't know what they make white vinegar from, but it's
    not wine. We have White vinegar, Cider vinegar, balsamic vinegar, white
    and red wine vinegar and (yuk) malt vinegar.


    I forgot balsamic vinegar. How could I do that? I love malt vinegar on
    English style fish and chips; lemon on the fish, malt vinegar on the
    chips. DH hates even the smell of malt vinegar. He uses that icky
    tartar sauce on the fish.

    I like lemon on my fish, white vinegar on my chips. I hate the smell of
    malt vinegar! Hubby uses it on his chips. He also uses it to make his
    Branston and it stinks up the whole house. But then, he likes brown sauce
    too. : (

    MoM

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