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Update on little Gypsy>

You treat your own daughter like that? You dirty [censored]!

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Update on little Gypsy the blind and deaf teacup poodle...

In her enclosure/pen, she has finally started peeing all in one spot. ;-)

Gypsy rules!

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I put down a heavier layer of newspaper there now with more shavings.
She still does not [censored] in one spot, but that's no big deal as I can
just pick it up with a paper towel a couple of times per day now that
the Giardia infection is finally gone. (took a couple visits to the vet
to get that under control!).

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If I put a small, low litter tray in there with, say, shredded paper and
shavings in there, how can I encourage her to use it? It would make it
easier to clean up after her and I'd like to eventually put a mix of
litter and shavings into it?

Same way as with a cat: leave a little pee and [censored] in the box with the box
in her current [censored]/pee spot, so Gypsy can follow her nose. But the rest of
the enclosure needs to be emptied, scrubed clean, and deodorized with an
enzyme product specifically designed to eliminate pet odors. Then place
fresh newspapers and shavings. Any stray odors may lead Gypsy "astray".
Also, use something with a distinctly different odor for the litter tray, to
guide the dog. Maybe one of the commercial cat litters with a "pleasant"
odor.

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What do you think?

I think that you should never try to teach a pig to sing, because you waste
your time and you annoy the pig.

David

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David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Update on little Gypsy the blind and deaf teacup poodle...

In her enclosure/pen, she has finally started peeing all in one spot. ;-)

Gypsy rules!

Indeed... <lol>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I put down a heavier layer of newspaper there now with more shavings.
She still does not [censored] in one spot, but that's no big deal as I can
just pick it up with a paper towel a couple of times per day now that
the Giardia infection is finally gone. (took a couple visits to the vet
to get that under control!).

Quoted message said:

If I put a small, low litter tray in there with, say, shredded paper and
shavings in there, how can I encourage her to use it? It would make it
easier to clean up after her and I'd like to eventually put a mix of
litter and shavings into it?

Same way as with a cat: leave a little pee and [censored] in the box with the box
in her current [censored]/pee spot, so Gypsy can follow her nose. But the rest of
the enclosure needs to be emptied, scrubed clean, and deodorized with an
enzyme product specifically designed to eliminate pet odors. Then place
fresh newspapers and shavings. Any stray odors may lead Gypsy "astray".
Also, use something with a distinctly different odor for the litter tray, to
guide the dog. Maybe one of the commercial cat litters with a "pleasant"
odor.

Ah, okay.
For pet odors (the floor is painted concrete) I generally use a mix of
white vinegar and Mr. Clean or some other regular disinfectant cleaner.
Vinegar has worked for ages to eliminate/neutralize urine odors, but
then, a dog's nose is probably more sensitive than mine. ;-)

I've heard of a product called "nature's wonder" or some such but for
outdoor areas, I use an Enzymatic soil deoderant called Abate XP. I
might treat with that after mopping then.

http://agritectx.com/home.html

Thank you!

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What do you think?

I think that you should never try to teach a pig to sing, because you waste
your time and you annoy the pig.

David

<snicker>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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For pet odors (the floor is painted concrete) I generally use a mix of
white vinegar and Mr. Clean or some other regular disinfectant cleaner.
Vinegar has worked for ages to eliminate/neutralize urine odors, but
then, a dog's nose is probably more sensitive than mine. ;-)

No, no, no...no Mr Clean or vinegar or any other concoction. Buy an
enzymatic product that is SPECIFICALLY designed for dog urine and feces
odor. Not "non-domestic canines" or anything else...you DO have a
history...but DOG FECES/URINE ODOR. Do NOT improvise.

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I've heard of a product called "nature's wonder" or some such but for
outdoor areas, I use an Enzymatic soil deoderant called Abate XP. I
might treat with that after mopping then.

No, no, no, no, no. Which part of NO is still unclear. Buy a product, in a
pet store, that is SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO ELIMINATE DOG URINE/FECES ODOR.

Do NOT make me come over there and whack you upside the head with a 2 x 4!

David

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

For pet odors (the floor is painted concrete) I generally use a mix of
white vinegar and Mr. Clean or some other regular disinfectant cleaner.
Vinegar has worked for ages to eliminate/neutralize urine odors, but
then, a dog's nose is probably more sensitive than mine. ;-)

No, no, no...no Mr Clean or vinegar or any other concoction. Buy an
enzymatic product that is SPECIFICALLY designed for dog urine and feces
odor. Not "non-domestic canines" or anything else...you DO have a
history...but DOG FECES/URINE ODOR. Do NOT improvise.

<grins> Got it...
That is why I mentioned the Abate products.
Agri-tec DOES make one specifically for pet urine and feces odors. :-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've heard of a product called "nature's wonder" or some such but for
outdoor areas, I use an Enzymatic soil deoderant called Abate XP. I
might treat with that after mopping then.

No, no, no, no, no. Which part of NO is still unclear. Buy a product, in a
pet store, that is SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO ELIMINATE DOG URINE/FECES ODOR.

Do NOT make me come over there and whack you upside the head with a 2 x 4!

David

Did you check the website?
It's an excellent product line and very reasonably priced compared to
the enzymatic treatments available at petsmart...

But, if you think his products are no good, I'll have to experiment with
the more costly ones. It's not like we are talking about a large area...

Thanks!

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--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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For pet odors (the floor is painted concrete) I generally use a mix of
white vinegar and Mr. Clean or some other regular disinfectant cleaner.
Vinegar has worked for ages to eliminate/neutralize urine odors, but
then, a dog's nose is probably more sensitive than mine. ;-)

No, no, no...no Mr Clean or vinegar or any other concoction. Buy an
enzymatic product that is SPECIFICALLY designed for dog urine and feces
odor. Not "non-domestic canines" or anything else...you DO have a
history...but DOG FECES/URINE ODOR. Do NOT improvise.

<grins> Got it...
That is why I mentioned the Abate products.
Agri-tec DOES make one specifically for pet urine and feces odors. :-)

Then get THAT one.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've heard of a product called "nature's wonder" or some such but for
outdoor areas, I use an Enzymatic soil deoderant called Abate XP. I
might treat with that after mopping then.

No, no, no, no, no. Which part of NO is still unclear. Buy a product, in
a
pet store, that is SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO ELIMINATE DOG URINE/FECES
ODOR.

Do NOT make me come over there and whack you upside the head with a 2 x
4!

Quoted message said:

Did you check the website?
It's an excellent product line and very reasonably priced compared to
the enzymatic treatments available at petsmart...

But, if you think his products are no good,

I did not say that. I said to get one that is "SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO
ELIMINATE DOG URINE/FECES ODOR". Get it where ever you like. It's just that
you have a history of buying freakin' zoo supplements and other
good-for-everything stuff.

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I'll have to experiment with
the more costly ones. It's not like we are talking about a large area...

You MUST be Jewish. I just grabbed a random catalog off the shelf. A gallon
of Nature's Miracle (one of many brands) costs $18.95 and would probably
last the rest of little Gypsy's life. Cheap [censored] 🙂

David

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
> For pet odors (the floor is painted concrete) I generally use a mix of
> white vinegar and Mr. Clean or some other regular disinfectant cleaner.
> Vinegar has worked for ages to eliminate/neutralize urine odors, but
> then, a dog's nose is probably more sensitive than mine. ;-)

No, no, no...no Mr Clean or vinegar or any other concoction. Buy an
enzymatic product that is SPECIFICALLY designed for dog urine and feces
odor. Not "non-domestic canines" or anything else...you DO have a
history...but DOG FECES/URINE ODOR. Do NOT improvise.

<grins> Got it...
That is why I mentioned the Abate products.
Agri-tec DOES make one specifically for pet urine and feces odors. :-)

Then get THAT one.

<lol> yes sir...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I've heard of a product called "nature's wonder" or some such but for
> outdoor areas, I use an Enzymatic soil deoderant called Abate XP. I
> might treat with that after mopping then.

No, no, no, no, no. Which part of NO is still unclear. Buy a product, in
a
pet store, that is SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO ELIMINATE DOG URINE/FECES
ODOR.

Do NOT make me come over there and whack you upside the head with a 2 x
4!

Quoted message said:

Did you check the website?
It's an excellent product line and very reasonably priced compared to
the enzymatic treatments available at petsmart...

But, if you think his products are no good,

I did not say that. I said to get one that is "SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO
ELIMINATE DOG URINE/FECES ODOR". Get it where ever you like. It's just that
you have a history of buying freakin' zoo supplements and other
good-for-everything stuff.

I never did buy those David, I was just looking at them.
Remember, I've followed my vet's advice for years.
If I'm going to upgrade my practices, I wanted to look at all
possibilities before making any set decisions.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'll have to experiment with
the more costly ones. It's not like we are talking about a large area...

You MUST be Jewish. I just grabbed a random catalog off the shelf. A gallon
of Nature's Miracle (one of many brands) costs $18.95 and would probably
last the rest of little Gypsy's life. Cheap [censored] 🙂

David

<lol> 1/2. Dad is jewish.

Mom is Scotch.

;-)

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--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'll have to experiment with
the more costly ones. It's not like we are talking about a large
area...

You MUST be Jewish. I just grabbed a random catalog off the shelf. A
gallon
of Nature's Miracle (one of many brands) costs $18.95 and would probably
last the rest of little Gypsy's life. Cheap [censored] 🙂

<lol> 1/2. Dad is jewish.

Mom is Scotch.

Oh, jeez! Two completely different types of cheap, all in one.

Scotsman writes to an English newspaper and complains, "If you don't stop
writing that the Scots are cheap, I'm going to stop borrowing your
newspaper."

David

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I'll have to experiment with
> the more costly ones. It's not like we are talking about a large
> area...

You MUST be Jewish. I just grabbed a random catalog off the shelf. A
gallon
of Nature's Miracle (one of many brands) costs $18.95 and would probably
last the rest of little Gypsy's life. Cheap [censored] 🙂

<lol> 1/2. Dad is jewish.

Mom is Scotch.

Oh, jeez! Two completely different types of cheap, all in one.

Heheheh!

The other reason I was hesitant about that brand was not just the price.
It was rated poorly on one of the dog lists I used to be on many moons
ago.

Do you know of a specific brand that really does what the label claims?

Not that I'm all that worried. Getting Gypsy to use a box is more for my
convenience. Her pen will be kept clean no matter what happens. ;-)
I won't make an animal live it it's on waste. It's evil, and gross.

Poor little thing went thru enough after she was neglected abandoned. :-(

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Scotsman writes to an English newspaper and complains, "If you don't stop
writing that the Scots are cheap, I'm going to stop borrowing your
newspaper."

David

Cute. I'll pass that on to dad...

It's like the one I read about the kid that was half Jewish and half
Mexican. He went to his dad one day and asked his dad if he was Jewish
or Mexican. When his dad asked him why, he said, "Well, the kid down the
street wants to sell me his bike. If I'm Jewish, I'll cheat him out of
it. If I'm Mexican, I'll just steal it."

;-)

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--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > For pet odors (the floor is painted concrete) I generally use a mix of
> > white vinegar and Mr. Clean or some other regular disinfectant cleaner.
> > Vinegar has worked for ages to eliminate/neutralize urine odors, but
> > then, a dog's nose is probably more sensitive than mine. ;-)
>
> No, no, no...no Mr Clean or vinegar or any other concoction. Buy an
> enzymatic product that is SPECIFICALLY designed for dog urine and feces
> odor. Not "non-domestic canines" or anything else...you DO have a
> history...but DOG FECES/URINE ODOR. Do NOT improvise.

<grins> Got it...
That is why I mentioned the Abate products.
Agri-tec DOES make one specifically for pet urine and feces odors. :-)

Then get THAT one.

<lol> yes sir...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > I've heard of a product called "nature's wonder" or some such but for
> > outdoor areas, I use an Enzymatic soil deoderant called Abate XP. I
> > might treat with that after mopping then.
>
> No, no, no, no, no. Which part of NO is still unclear. Buy a product, in
> a
> pet store, that is SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO ELIMINATE DOG URINE/FECES
> ODOR.
>
> Do NOT make me come over there and whack you upside the head with a 2 x
> 4!

Quoted message said:

Did you check the website?
It's an excellent product line and very reasonably priced compared to
the enzymatic treatments available at petsmart...

But, if you think his products are no good,

I did not say that. I said to get one that is "SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO
ELIMINATE DOG URINE/FECES ODOR". Get it where ever you like. It's just that
you have a history of buying freakin' zoo supplements and other
good-for-everything stuff.

I never did buy those David, I was just looking at them.
Remember, I've followed my vet's advice for years.
If I'm going to upgrade my practices, I wanted to look at all
possibilities before making any set decisions.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'll have to experiment with
the more costly ones. It's not like we are talking about a large area...

You MUST be Jewish. I just grabbed a random catalog off the shelf. A gallon
of Nature's Miracle (one of many brands) costs $18.95 and would probably
last the rest of little Gypsy's life. Cheap [censored] 🙂

David

<lol> 1/2. Dad is jewish.

Mom is Scotch.

With the greatest respect Om, "Scotch" is a rather famous alcoholic
spirit drink distilled in Scotland.

You may have meant to say that your mother is Scottish, or a Scot!!
;o)

How are you these days?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Charles said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
> "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> > For pet odors (the floor is painted concrete) I generally use a mix
>> > of
>> > white vinegar and Mr. Clean or some other regular disinfectant
>> > cleaner.
>> > Vinegar has worked for ages to eliminate/neutralize urine odors, but
>> > then, a dog's nose is probably more sensitive than mine. ;-)
>>
>> No, no, no...no Mr Clean or vinegar or any other concoction. Buy an
>> enzymatic product that is SPECIFICALLY designed for dog urine and feces
>> odor. Not "non-domestic canines" or anything else...you DO have a
>> history...but DOG FECES/URINE ODOR. Do NOT improvise.
>
> <grins> Got it...
> That is why I mentioned the Abate products.
> Agri-tec DOES make one specifically for pet urine and feces odors. :-)

Then get THAT one.

<lol> yes sir...

Quoted message said:

>> > I've heard of a product called "nature's wonder" or some such but for
>> > outdoor areas, I use an Enzymatic soil deoderant called Abate XP. I
>> > might treat with that after mopping then.
>>
>> No, no, no, no, no. Which part of NO is still unclear. Buy a product,
>> in
>> a
>> pet store, that is SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO ELIMINATE DOG URINE/FECES
>> ODOR.
>>
>> Do NOT make me come over there and whack you upside the head with a 2 x
>> 4!

> Did you check the website?
> It's an excellent product line and very reasonably priced compared to
> the enzymatic treatments available at petsmart...
>
> But, if you think his products are no good,

I did not say that. I said to get one that is "SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO
ELIMINATE DOG URINE/FECES ODOR". Get it where ever you like. It's just
that
you have a history of buying freakin' zoo supplements and other
good-for-everything stuff.

I never did buy those David, I was just looking at them.
Remember, I've followed my vet's advice for years.
If I'm going to upgrade my practices, I wanted to look at all
possibilities before making any set decisions.

Quoted message said:

> I'll have to experiment with
> the more costly ones. It's not like we are talking about a large area...

You MUST be Jewish. I just grabbed a random catalog off the shelf. A
gallon
of Nature's Miracle (one of many brands) costs $18.95 and would probably
last the rest of little Gypsy's life. Cheap [censored] 🙂

David

<lol> 1/2. Dad is jewish.

Mom is Scotch.

With the greatest respect Om, "Scotch" is a rather famous alcoholic
spirit drink distilled in Scotland.

You may have meant to say that your mother is Scottish, or a Scot!!
;o)

True... I delberately used the term "Scotch" as it refers to someone
that is a tightwad.

Scotch is also a wonderful drink, on the rocks.....

Mom was Scottish. Her mother was an immigrant.
She fit the bill too! She always was one to save money wherever possible.
I had to keep her in shoes as she would wear them out and not want to
replace them just because there was a hole in the toe. <lol>

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How are you these days?

Things are going well! They would be better if I did not have to work 12
hour shifts every other weekend, but at least I am employed. <lol>

How is your world with the turnabout in the house of Lords?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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> You MUST be Jewish.

<lol> 1/2. Dad is jewish. Mom is Scotch.

Oh, jeez! Two completely different types of cheap, all in one.

Sorry Omelet, but Jewish genes are mitochondrial and aren't passed on
to offspring paternally. Some early genetics studies on that are
referenced here - http://www.torah.org/qanda/seequanda.php?id=318

But don't despair. A revolutionary procedure suggested by Professor
John Hadov allows the mitochondria to be transferred from a Jewish
father to his non-Jewish children if they would like to become Jewish,
and who wouldn't!

You too can come by to our lab with your father for mitochondrial
transplant if you'd like to become Jewish (for only a modest nominal
fee).

Or you can just stop by yourself and we'll do the mitochondrial
transfusion from our fine selection of mitochondria from certified
Jewish donors, such as myself, for just a small additional fee.

Let's just whack off the tip of his penis, and call it good.

David

DZ said:

David Cohen said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

> You MUST be Jewish.

<lol> 1/2. Dad is jewish. Mom is Scotch.

Oh, jeez! Two completely different types of cheap, all in one.

Sorry Omelet, but Jewish genes are mitochondrial and aren't passed on
to offspring paternally. Some early genetics studies on that are
referenced here - http://www.torah.org/qanda/seequanda.php?id=318

But don't despair. A revolutionary procedure suggested by Professor
John Hadov allows the mitochondria to be transferred from a Jewish
father to his non-Jewish children if they would like to become

Jewish,

Quoted message said:

and who wouldn't!

You too can come by to our lab with your father for mitochondrial
transplant if you'd like to become Jewish (for only a modest nominal
fee).

Or you can just stop by yourself and we'll do the mitochondrial
transfusion from our fine selection of mitochondria from certified
Jewish donors, such as myself, for just a small additional fee.

Hasn't there been some progress in Jewish gene splicing using stem
cells from neonate foreskins?

DZ said:

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

> You MUST be Jewish.

<lol> 1/2. Dad is jewish. Mom is Scotch.

Oh, jeez! Two completely different types of cheap, all in one.

Sorry Omelet, but Jewish genes are mitochondrial and aren't passed on
to offspring paternally. Some early genetics studies on that are
referenced here - http://www.torah.org/qanda/seequanda.php?id=318

But don't despair. A revolutionary procedure suggested by Professor
John Hadov allows the mitochondria to be transferred from a Jewish
father to his non-Jewish children if they would like to become Jewish,
and who wouldn't!

Professor Hadov has perfected a technique whereby all such
chondriosome can be transferred to non-related females, by his
preferred method of personal injection and other proven and
satisfyingly invasive processes, which are guaranteed to re-energise
those so treated!!

Quoted message said:

You too can come by to our lab with your father for mitochondrial
transplant if you'd like to become Jewish (for only a modest nominal
fee).

Or you can just stop by yourself and we'll do the mitochondrial
transfusion from our fine selection of mitochondria from certified
Jewish donors, such as myself, for just a small additional fee.

This a generous and selfless offer which should be snapped up by those
with prepuce to spare.

In article <[email hidden]>,

DZ said:

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

> You MUST be Jewish.

<lol> 1/2. Dad is jewish. Mom is Scotch.

Oh, jeez! Two completely different types of cheap, all in one.

Sorry Omelet, but Jewish genes are mitochondrial and aren't passed on
to offspring paternally. Some early genetics studies on that are
referenced here - http://www.torah.org/qanda/seequanda.php?id=318

But don't despair. A revolutionary procedure suggested by Professor
John Hadov allows the mitochondria to be transferred from a Jewish
father to his non-Jewish children if they would like to become Jewish,
and who wouldn't!

You too can come by to our lab with your father for mitochondrial
transplant if you'd like to become Jewish (for only a modest nominal
fee).

Or you can just stop by yourself and we'll do the mitochondrial
transfusion from our fine selection of mitochondria from certified
Jewish donors, such as myself, for just a small additional fee.

And from what Orifice do you extract the midichlorians???
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

DZ said:

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> You MUST be Jewish.
>
> <lol> 1/2. Dad is jewish. Mom is Scotch.

Oh, jeez! Two completely different types of cheap, all in one.

Sorry Omelet, but Jewish genes are mitochondrial and aren't passed on
to offspring paternally. Some early genetics studies on that are
referenced here - http://www.torah.org/qanda/seequanda.php?id=318

But don't despair. A revolutionary procedure suggested by Professor
John Hadov allows the mitochondria to be transferred from a Jewish
father to his non-Jewish children if they would like to become

Jewish,

Quoted message said:

and who wouldn't!

You too can come by to our lab with your father for mitochondrial
transplant if you'd like to become Jewish (for only a modest nominal
fee).

Or you can just stop by yourself and we'll do the mitochondrial
transfusion from our fine selection of mitochondria from certified
Jewish donors, such as myself, for just a small additional fee.

Hasn't there been some progress in Jewish gene splicing using stem
cells from neonate foreskins?

ROFL!!!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson