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Pile/pertex - smock or jacket

Arne Aas · 2005-01-18T16:07:58+00:00

Hello. I am new to the pile/pertex system of clothing, but after some research I have decided to give it a go. We don't have these clothes in Norway, though, so I have to order online without the opportunity to look at the clothes first. So I have a few questions. First, I have (almost) decided for a Mardale Alpine Pile System jacket or pullover and Alpine Performance Lite Salopette: http://www.mardale.com/alpine_pile.html http://www.mardale.com/alpine_perf.html since they are said to be less warm than the Buffalo gear, and offer nice venting options. My use will be mountain skiing (up and down) in Norwegian winter conditions, typically +5 to -15C. I intend to follow the original concept of not wearing anything underneath (except boxer shorts). 1. Does anyone have any viewpoints on pullover versus jacket? I am inclined to believe that although a jacket theoretically can give better ventilation, having airflow directly on the chest may be uncomfortable (particularly when moving at speed) and that a smock with side zips and mesh front pocket may be better in practice. 2. Are there other brands I should consider than Buffalo, Mardale and Montane? I am not interested in anything hotter than the Mardale brand. 3. Any opinion on the www.outdoorclothingonline.com online store? Recommended? Others I should use instead? Thanks for any advice. Arne Norway

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Arne Aas
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18 January 2005, 16:07 UTC #1

Hello.
I am new to the pile/pertex system of clothing, but after some
research I have decided to give it a go. We don't have these clothes
in Norway, though, so I have to order online without the opportunity
to look at the clothes first. So I have a few questions.
First, I have (almost) decided for a Mardale Alpine Pile System jacket
or pullover and Alpine Performance Lite Salopette:
http://www.mardale.com/alpine_pile.html
http://www.mardale.com/alpine_perf.html
since they are said to be less warm than the Buffalo gear, and offer
nice venting options. My use will be mountain skiing (up and down) in
Norwegian winter conditions, typically +5 to -15C. I intend to follow
the original concept of not wearing anything underneath (except boxer
shorts).
1. Does anyone have any viewpoints on pullover versus jacket? I am
inclined to believe that although a jacket theoretically can give
better ventilation, having airflow directly on the chest may be
uncomfortable (particularly when moving at speed) and that a smock
with side zips and mesh front pocket may be better in practice.
2. Are there other brands I should consider than Buffalo, Mardale and
Montane? I am not interested in anything hotter than the Mardale
brand.
3. Any opinion on the www.outdoorclothingonline.com online store?
Recommended? Others I should use instead?
Thanks for any advice.
Arne
Norway

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Peter Clinch
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18 January 2005, 16:23 UTC #2

Arne Aas said:
2. Are there other brands I should consider than Buffalo, Mardale and
Montane? I am not interested in anything hotter than the Mardale
brand.
You might want to consider the Paramo stuff. It isn't as warm and
you'll want something else underneath, but it does have the advantage of
being waterproof. Not /usually/ an issue for skiing, granted, but OTOH
it extends the Other Usages a bit.
Knoydart (mainly a purveyor of sea kayaking gear) do these sort of tops
too, and pals of mine that ski guide hut-hut in Norway wear those more
than anything else while they're doing it. They usually wear light base
layers underneath though. Unfortunately not a pic of their Guide
pullover on www.knoydart.co.uk, but they are £30 off in the bargian bin
at the moment: might be worth asking for more details, including
pictures etc.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Peter Clinch
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18 January 2005, 16:23 UTC #3

Arne Aas said:
2. Are there other brands I should consider than Buffalo, Mardale and
Montane? I am not interested in anything hotter than the Mardale
brand.
You might want to consider the Paramo stuff. It isn't as warm and
you'll want something else underneath, but it does have the advantage of
being waterproof. Not /usually/ an issue for skiing, granted, but OTOH
it extends the Other Usages a bit.
Knoydart (mainly a purveyor of sea kayaking gear) do these sort of tops
too, and pals of mine that ski guide hut-hut in Norway wear those more
than anything else while they're doing it. They usually wear light base
layers underneath though. Unfortunately not a pic of their Guide
pullover on www.knoydart.co.uk, but they are £30 off in the bargian bin
at the moment: might be worth asking for more details, including
pictures etc.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Peter Clinch
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18 January 2005, 16:23 UTC #4

Arne Aas said:
2. Are there other brands I should consider than Buffalo, Mardale and
Montane? I am not interested in anything hotter than the Mardale
brand.
You might want to consider the Paramo stuff. It isn't as warm and
you'll want something else underneath, but it does have the advantage of
being waterproof. Not /usually/ an issue for skiing, granted, but OTOH
it extends the Other Usages a bit.
Knoydart (mainly a purveyor of sea kayaking gear) do these sort of tops
too, and pals of mine that ski guide hut-hut in Norway wear those more
than anything else while they're doing it. They usually wear light base
layers underneath though. Unfortunately not a pic of their Guide
pullover on www.knoydart.co.uk, but they are £30 off in the bargian bin
at the moment: might be worth asking for more details, including
pictures etc.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Peter Clinch
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18 January 2005, 16:23 UTC #5

Arne Aas said:
2. Are there other brands I should consider than Buffalo, Mardale and
Montane? I am not interested in anything hotter than the Mardale
brand.
You might want to consider the Paramo stuff. It isn't as warm and
you'll want something else underneath, but it does have the advantage of
being waterproof. Not /usually/ an issue for skiing, granted, but OTOH
it extends the Other Usages a bit.
Knoydart (mainly a purveyor of sea kayaking gear) do these sort of tops
too, and pals of mine that ski guide hut-hut in Norway wear those more
than anything else while they're doing it. They usually wear light base
layers underneath though. Unfortunately not a pic of their Guide
pullover on www.knoydart.co.uk, but they are £30 off in the bargian bin
at the moment: might be worth asking for more details, including
pictures etc.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Peter Clinch
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18 January 2005, 16:23 UTC #6

Arne Aas said:
2. Are there other brands I should consider than Buffalo, Mardale and
Montane? I am not interested in anything hotter than the Mardale
brand.
You might want to consider the Paramo stuff. It isn't as warm and
you'll want something else underneath, but it does have the advantage of
being waterproof. Not /usually/ an issue for skiing, granted, but OTOH
it extends the Other Usages a bit.
Knoydart (mainly a purveyor of sea kayaking gear) do these sort of tops
too, and pals of mine that ski guide hut-hut in Norway wear those more
than anything else while they're doing it. They usually wear light base
layers underneath though. Unfortunately not a pic of their Guide
pullover on www.knoydart.co.uk, but they are £30 off in the bargian bin
at the moment: might be worth asking for more details, including
pictures etc.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Peter Clinch
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18 January 2005, 16:23 UTC #7

Arne Aas said:
2. Are there other brands I should consider than Buffalo, Mardale and
Montane? I am not interested in anything hotter than the Mardale
brand.
You might want to consider the Paramo stuff. It isn't as warm and
you'll want something else underneath, but it does have the advantage of
being waterproof. Not /usually/ an issue for skiing, granted, but OTOH
it extends the Other Usages a bit.
Knoydart (mainly a purveyor of sea kayaking gear) do these sort of tops
too, and pals of mine that ski guide hut-hut in Norway wear those more
than anything else while they're doing it. They usually wear light base
layers underneath though. Unfortunately not a pic of their Guide
pullover on www.knoydart.co.uk, but they are £30 off in the bargian bin
at the moment: might be worth asking for more details, including
pictures etc.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Peter Clinch
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18 January 2005, 16:23 UTC #8

Arne Aas said:
2. Are there other brands I should consider than Buffalo, Mardale and
Montane? I am not interested in anything hotter than the Mardale
brand.
You might want to consider the Paramo stuff. It isn't as warm and
you'll want something else underneath, but it does have the advantage of
being waterproof. Not /usually/ an issue for skiing, granted, but OTOH
it extends the Other Usages a bit.
Knoydart (mainly a purveyor of sea kayaking gear) do these sort of tops
too, and pals of mine that ski guide hut-hut in Norway wear those more
than anything else while they're doing it. They usually wear light base
layers underneath though. Unfortunately not a pic of their Guide
pullover on www.knoydart.co.uk, but they are £30 off in the bargian bin
at the moment: might be worth asking for more details, including
pictures etc.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Peter Clinch
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18 January 2005, 16:23 UTC #9

Arne Aas said:
2. Are there other brands I should consider than Buffalo, Mardale and
Montane? I am not interested in anything hotter than the Mardale
brand.
You might want to consider the Paramo stuff. It isn't as warm and
you'll want something else underneath, but it does have the advantage of
being waterproof. Not /usually/ an issue for skiing, granted, but OTOH
it extends the Other Usages a bit.
Knoydart (mainly a purveyor of sea kayaking gear) do these sort of tops
too, and pals of mine that ski guide hut-hut in Norway wear those more
than anything else while they're doing it. They usually wear light base
layers underneath though. Unfortunately not a pic of their Guide
pullover on www.knoydart.co.uk, but they are £30 off in the bargian bin
at the moment: might be worth asking for more details, including
pictures etc.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Peter Clinch
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18 January 2005, 16:23 UTC #10

Arne Aas said:
2. Are there other brands I should consider than Buffalo, Mardale and
Montane? I am not interested in anything hotter than the Mardale
brand.
You might want to consider the Paramo stuff. It isn't as warm and
you'll want something else underneath, but it does have the advantage of
being waterproof. Not /usually/ an issue for skiing, granted, but OTOH
it extends the Other Usages a bit.
Knoydart (mainly a purveyor of sea kayaking gear) do these sort of tops
too, and pals of mine that ski guide hut-hut in Norway wear those more
than anything else while they're doing it. They usually wear light base
layers underneath though. Unfortunately not a pic of their Guide
pullover on www.knoydart.co.uk, but they are £30 off in the bargian bin
at the moment: might be worth asking for more details, including
pictures etc.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Peter Clinch
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18 January 2005, 16:23 UTC #11

Arne Aas said:
2. Are there other brands I should consider than Buffalo, Mardale and
Montane? I am not interested in anything hotter than the Mardale
brand.
You might want to consider the Paramo stuff. It isn't as warm and
you'll want something else underneath, but it does have the advantage of
being waterproof. Not /usually/ an issue for skiing, granted, but OTOH
it extends the Other Usages a bit.
Knoydart (mainly a purveyor of sea kayaking gear) do these sort of tops
too, and pals of mine that ski guide hut-hut in Norway wear those more
than anything else while they're doing it. They usually wear light base
layers underneath though. Unfortunately not a pic of their Guide
pullover on www.knoydart.co.uk, but they are £30 off in the bargian bin
at the moment: might be worth asking for more details, including
pictures etc.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Peter Clinch
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18 January 2005, 16:23 UTC #12

Arne Aas said:
2. Are there other brands I should consider than Buffalo, Mardale and
Montane? I am not interested in anything hotter than the Mardale
brand.
You might want to consider the Paramo stuff. It isn't as warm and
you'll want something else underneath, but it does have the advantage of
being waterproof. Not /usually/ an issue for skiing, granted, but OTOH
it extends the Other Usages a bit.
Knoydart (mainly a purveyor of sea kayaking gear) do these sort of tops
too, and pals of mine that ski guide hut-hut in Norway wear those more
than anything else while they're doing it. They usually wear light base
layers underneath though. Unfortunately not a pic of their Guide
pullover on www.knoydart.co.uk, but they are £30 off in the bargian bin
at the moment: might be worth asking for more details, including
pictures etc.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Dominic Sexton
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18 January 2005, 16:41 UTC #13

In article <[email hidden]>, Arne Aas
<[email hidden]> writes
Quoted message said:
Any opinion on the www.outdoorclothingonline.com online store?
I used them in July 2003 for a small order. They took a month to send
the items after I had contacted them by email and telephone a few times.
They did not give me any indication of the delay nor did they give me an
explanation other than "problems with our order system" even when asked
directly.
I have used other companies which have made mistakes but they have been
very quick to rectify the mistake and explain / apologise. Sadly
outdoorclothingonline did neither. Any busy organisation will make
mistakes sometime but how they deal with their mistakes makes the
difference between a good company and a poor one. In this case they
performed badly.
I do hope that they have improved the service since then...
I do not know of any other online Mardale stockists -
outdoorclothingonline.com is run by the same chap as the mardale.com
website so I guess they are the same organisation.
--
Dominic Sexton

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Dominic Sexton
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18 January 2005, 16:41 UTC #14

In article <[email hidden]>, Arne Aas
<[email hidden]> writes
Quoted message said:
Any opinion on the www.outdoorclothingonline.com online store?
I used them in July 2003 for a small order. They took a month to send
the items after I had contacted them by email and telephone a few times.
They did not give me any indication of the delay nor did they give me an
explanation other than "problems with our order system" even when asked
directly.
I have used other companies which have made mistakes but they have been
very quick to rectify the mistake and explain / apologise. Sadly
outdoorclothingonline did neither. Any busy organisation will make
mistakes sometime but how they deal with their mistakes makes the
difference between a good company and a poor one. In this case they
performed badly.
I do hope that they have improved the service since then...
I do not know of any other online Mardale stockists -
outdoorclothingonline.com is run by the same chap as the mardale.com
website so I guess they are the same organisation.
--
Dominic Sexton

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Dominic Sexton
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18 January 2005, 16:41 UTC #15

In article <[email hidden]>, Arne Aas
<[email hidden]> writes
Quoted message said:
Any opinion on the www.outdoorclothingonline.com online store?
I used them in July 2003 for a small order. They took a month to send
the items after I had contacted them by email and telephone a few times.
They did not give me any indication of the delay nor did they give me an
explanation other than "problems with our order system" even when asked
directly.
I have used other companies which have made mistakes but they have been
very quick to rectify the mistake and explain / apologise. Sadly
outdoorclothingonline did neither. Any busy organisation will make
mistakes sometime but how they deal with their mistakes makes the
difference between a good company and a poor one. In this case they
performed badly.
I do hope that they have improved the service since then...
I do not know of any other online Mardale stockists -
outdoorclothingonline.com is run by the same chap as the mardale.com
website so I guess they are the same organisation.
--
Dominic Sexton

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Dominic Sexton
Archived post

18 January 2005, 16:41 UTC #16

In article <[email hidden]>, Arne Aas
<[email hidden]> writes
Quoted message said:
Any opinion on the www.outdoorclothingonline.com online store?
I used them in July 2003 for a small order. They took a month to send
the items after I had contacted them by email and telephone a few times.
They did not give me any indication of the delay nor did they give me an
explanation other than "problems with our order system" even when asked
directly.
I have used other companies which have made mistakes but they have been
very quick to rectify the mistake and explain / apologise. Sadly
outdoorclothingonline did neither. Any busy organisation will make
mistakes sometime but how they deal with their mistakes makes the
difference between a good company and a poor one. In this case they
performed badly.
I do hope that they have improved the service since then...
I do not know of any other online Mardale stockists -
outdoorclothingonline.com is run by the same chap as the mardale.com
website so I guess they are the same organisation.
--
Dominic Sexton

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Dominic Sexton
Archived post

18 January 2005, 16:41 UTC #17

In article <[email hidden]>, Arne Aas
<[email hidden]> writes
Quoted message said:
Any opinion on the www.outdoorclothingonline.com online store?
I used them in July 2003 for a small order. They took a month to send
the items after I had contacted them by email and telephone a few times.
They did not give me any indication of the delay nor did they give me an
explanation other than "problems with our order system" even when asked
directly.
I have used other companies which have made mistakes but they have been
very quick to rectify the mistake and explain / apologise. Sadly
outdoorclothingonline did neither. Any busy organisation will make
mistakes sometime but how they deal with their mistakes makes the
difference between a good company and a poor one. In this case they
performed badly.
I do hope that they have improved the service since then...
I do not know of any other online Mardale stockists -
outdoorclothingonline.com is run by the same chap as the mardale.com
website so I guess they are the same organisation.
--
Dominic Sexton

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Dominic Sexton
Archived post

18 January 2005, 16:41 UTC #18

In article <[email hidden]>, Arne Aas
<[email hidden]> writes
Quoted message said:
Any opinion on the www.outdoorclothingonline.com online store?
I used them in July 2003 for a small order. They took a month to send
the items after I had contacted them by email and telephone a few times.
They did not give me any indication of the delay nor did they give me an
explanation other than "problems with our order system" even when asked
directly.
I have used other companies which have made mistakes but they have been
very quick to rectify the mistake and explain / apologise. Sadly
outdoorclothingonline did neither. Any busy organisation will make
mistakes sometime but how they deal with their mistakes makes the
difference between a good company and a poor one. In this case they
performed badly.
I do hope that they have improved the service since then...
I do not know of any other online Mardale stockists -
outdoorclothingonline.com is run by the same chap as the mardale.com
website so I guess they are the same organisation.
--
Dominic Sexton

Report
Dominic Sexton
Archived post

18 January 2005, 16:41 UTC #19

In article <[email hidden]>, Arne Aas
<[email hidden]> writes
Quoted message said:
Any opinion on the www.outdoorclothingonline.com online store?
I used them in July 2003 for a small order. They took a month to send
the items after I had contacted them by email and telephone a few times.
They did not give me any indication of the delay nor did they give me an
explanation other than "problems with our order system" even when asked
directly.
I have used other companies which have made mistakes but they have been
very quick to rectify the mistake and explain / apologise. Sadly
outdoorclothingonline did neither. Any busy organisation will make
mistakes sometime but how they deal with their mistakes makes the
difference between a good company and a poor one. In this case they
performed badly.
I do hope that they have improved the service since then...
I do not know of any other online Mardale stockists -
outdoorclothingonline.com is run by the same chap as the mardale.com
website so I guess they are the same organisation.
--
Dominic Sexton

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Dominic Sexton
Archived post

18 January 2005, 16:41 UTC #20

In article <[email hidden]>, Arne Aas
<[email hidden]> writes
Quoted message said:
Any opinion on the www.outdoorclothingonline.com online store?
I used them in July 2003 for a small order. They took a month to send
the items after I had contacted them by email and telephone a few times.
They did not give me any indication of the delay nor did they give me an
explanation other than "problems with our order system" even when asked
directly.
I have used other companies which have made mistakes but they have been
very quick to rectify the mistake and explain / apologise. Sadly
outdoorclothingonline did neither. Any busy organisation will make
mistakes sometime but how they deal with their mistakes makes the
difference between a good company and a poor one. In this case they
performed badly.
I do hope that they have improved the service since then...
I do not know of any other online Mardale stockists -
outdoorclothingonline.com is run by the same chap as the mardale.com
website so I guess they are the same organisation.
--
Dominic Sexton

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