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  1. I am running my first Pike's Peak Marathon this weekend (NOT my first
    marathon) and I need advice on what to wear/bring. With the potential
    variations in temp and condition, I'm not sure what to wear.

    Also, with the extended race time, should I bring some sort of pack with
    food and additional fluids? I'm thinking it will take in the 6 hour range
    from what I've read. I'd think I would need food in that time.

    Finally, any general advice on running the race would be greatly appreciated
    as well. I'm an average (3:16) flatland marathoner, but certainly out of my
    element this coming weekend. Words of wisdon always welcome.

    Thanks,
    Tim

  2. Quoted message said:

    I am running my first Pike's Peak Marathon this weekend (NOT my first
    marathon) and I need advice on what to wear/bring. With the potential
    variations in temp and condition, I'm not sure what to wear.

    Nothing at all.


  3. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I am running my first Pike's Peak Marathon this weekend (NOT my first
    marathon) and I need advice on what to wear/bring. With the potential
    variations in temp and condition, I'm not sure what to wear.


    Oxygen!

  4. "Tim Buteyn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<OQ0Uc.301902$JR4.139388@attbi_s54>...

    Quoted message said:

    I am running my first Pike's Peak Marathon this weekend (NOT my first
    marathon) and I need advice on what to wear/bring. With the potential
    variations in temp and condition, I'm not sure what to wear.

    Also, with the extended race time, should I bring some sort of pack with
    food and additional fluids? I'm thinking it will take in the 6 hour range
    from what I've read. I'd think I would need food in that time.

    Finally, any general advice on running the race would be greatly appreciated
    as well. I'm an average (3:16) flatland marathoner, but certainly out of my
    element this coming weekend. Words of wisdon always welcome.

    Thanks,
    Tim

    Hi Tim,

    I ran that race 10 years ago (:-O). Without much forethought I brought
    a windbreaker in a small [censored] pack and my disposable camera. I was
    dressed in a t-shirt, shorts and road running shoes like any other
    normal run I've done. I used the windbreaker above treeline. I could
    have done it without the windbreaker but it was nice to have at that
    time. Along the way I picked up water bottle and a few energy bars. I
    lucked out and the day was clear, sunny and warm.

    From my experience (and memory) the first climb in the first 4 miles
    wasn't too tough. The trail is in good shape and not too narrow. After
    that the trail kind of rolls for a few miles more and starts up Pikes
    Peak proper around 8 miles. The rocks really start in the area around
    10 miles. I don't remember running after that point. It is more of a
    hike than a run.

    I found the toughest part of the race to be my own apathy at altitude.
    I was also a bit nauseous. That is most likely my own reaction to the
    reduced oxygen. Just keep telling yourself keep going it is only the
    altitude it will be down hill soon eough. The last few miles to the
    top were tougher mentally than they were physically. My thoughts were
    "how the hell am I going to run the last half of this race?" The
    instant you turn back down it gets better. Lets hear it for gravity!

    Once you get through the rolling middle section the biggest motivating
    factor to finishing will be to unjam your toes from the front of your
    shoes.

    Your plan for a 6 or so hour finish is in the ballpark of what I did.
    The race will humble you but oh! what a feeling when you finish.

    Hope your weather is good!

    Enjoy,
    Andy

  5. Tim Buteyn said:

    I am running my first Pike's Peak Marathon this weekend (NOT my first
    marathon) and I need advice on what to wear/bring. With the potential
    variations in temp and condition, I'm not sure what to wear.

    I've not done it, but you might also check with folks in the RW
    ultra/trail forum
    http://forums.runnersworld.com/forum.jspa?forumID=35
    There's people in the RW forum that are doing it (past, present, and
    future) so Pikes Peak - as well as other Colorado mtn runs like
    Leadville - come up fairly frequently.

    Just some general thoughts - synthetics or wool or silk (cotton kills in
    this environment). A good, breathable windshell for above tree line - do
    not underestimate the potential for hypothermia on a windy ridge, even
    while running. It can snow any day of the year there.

    Quoted message said:


    Also, with the extended race time, should I bring some sort of pack with
    food and additional fluids? I'm thinking it will take in the 6 hour range
    from what I've read. I'd think I would need food in that time.

    I'd take whatever you trained with - both as to fluid, food, clothes,
    and carrying pack (or lack thereof). There's supposed to be aid
    stations, but most runners that I've seen in some longer races usually
    take their own also - camelbak for fluids, food, emergency gear. Looks
    like Gatorade is beverage served - don't know if that's what you use
    usually or are planning on taking your own. Water is provided through
    some major logistics efforts so you could take your own powder and mix
    up what you need.

    Quoted message said:


    Finally, any general advice on running the race would be greatly appreciated
    as well. I'm an average (3:16) flatland marathoner, but certainly out of my
    element this coming weekend. Words of wisdon always welcome.

    Hope you've done some hill training - both up and down - and step ups 😉

    Good luck! Look forward to race report 😉

    Dot

  6. "Tim Buteyn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I am running my first Pike's Peak Marathon this weekend


    (NOT my first

    Quoted message said:

    marathon) and I need advice on what to wear/bring. With


    the potential

    Quoted message said:

    variations in temp and condition, I'm not sure what to


    wear.

    Quoted message said:


    Also, with the extended race time, should I bring some


    sort of pack with

    Quoted message said:

    food and additional fluids? I'm thinking it will take in


    the 6 hour range

    Quoted message said:

    from what I've read. I'd think I would need food in that


    time.

    Quoted message said:


    Finally, any general advice on running the race would be


    greatly appreciated

    Quoted message said:

    as well. I'm an average (3:16) flatland marathoner, but


    certainly out of my

    Quoted message said:

    element this coming weekend. Words of wisdon always


    welcome.

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks,
    Tim

    I've never attempted the marathon, but I have hiked Pikes
    Peak and about 15 other of the 14'ers in Colorado. The
    trail is probably the best maintained of them.

    I don't remember how far away from the trailhead you start,
    I think just a couple of blocks in Manitou Springs, but
    essentially you'll climb (run) on blacktop road, pass the
    Cog Railroad station, up a short (1 block) steep gravel
    road, and then hit the trailhead. While in Manitou it will
    be early enough that the temperature will probably be around
    40 degrees Fahrenheit - maybe cooler.

    Once you're on the trail you will catapult up the first 2
    miles of switchback in an unbelievable fashion and at your
    first "vantage point" you will be looking down at Colorado
    Springs 1000 feet below you.

    The trail is very dry with some gravel spree in spots and is
    about 5 feet wide. When I say "dry" I mean bone dry. I
    mean finger-pruning dry. I mean so dry that the trees
    scream with pain as their twisted gnarled roots eak out the
    last drop of moister from the solid rock from which they
    attempt to sprout. This dryness you can feel and when the
    sun peeks its head over the horizon the cool mountain breeze
    evaporates instantly and the temperature jumps as if someone
    turned on a giant heat lamp. The difference between 6am and
    8am can easily be 30 degrees.

    After about mile 3-4 it finally begins to ease a little -
    almost feeling flat (but only because of what you've just
    covered). Once you feel this "flatness" you will make good
    time to Bar Camp - the halfway mark up (for the accent - the
    quartermark for the full marathon). Now in the protection
    of the trees the sun is a little less harsh and little less
    dry. The Peak now shows itself and you will either think
    "Damn I've made no progress - that thing still looks
    just as far as when I started"
    or "Damn, I've made great progress, It's just around the
    corner."

    Either way you'll be wrong.

    Three (maybe four, I can never remember the actual mileage -
    but it doesn't matter because a mile on Pikes Peak feels
    much longer than a mile anywhere else) miles later comes the
    "A" Frame - this marks the timberline (as if timberline need
    to be marked). This is where all bets are off in terms of
    weather. If it's a cool breeze you'll appreciate it - but
    not realize that the wind is accelerating your dehydration.
    If it's warm you appreciate that - not realizing that your
    sweat is setting you up for hypothermia. If it's partly
    cloudy you will feel like you're having hot flashes - going
    from cool when the sun is covered to hot when it's not.

    Where as Bar camp marks the half the distance, the A-Frame
    marks half the time (of the assent - 1/3 of the total
    marathon time). The switch backs are very aggressive, the
    scenery is phenomenal, and the trail is rock. At this point
    the trees give way to shrubs, which give way to grass, which
    gives way to granite. 1/2 mile after the A-Frame there is no
    vegetation. And there-fore no soil. What you've got is
    rock on top of rock on top of rock on top of granite. If
    you see the summit from here - it's not the summit. You'll
    know you've hit the top because there is a warming hut - and
    hundreds of "[censored]" who decided to take the train, or
    worse - to drive to the top - will be cheering you on.
    You'll appreciate them - as you curse them. Once on top -
    if you're not in a cloud, you'll feel like you're on top of
    the world and will have the view to prove it. You'll be
    able see probably 10 of the 56 14'ers (Mt. Evans, Bierstat,
    Grey's, Tories, Longs Peak to the north; Princeton, Harvard,
    Yale to the west; and two to the south that escape me.) To
    the East you will peer a good 200 miles, and if it's really
    clear you may even see into Kansas before the curvature of
    the Earth beats Colorado's famed visibility.

    Those doing the assent are done. You can laugh at them as
    they figure out how to get down. For you you're 2/3 of the
    way complete (timewise) - and literally it's all down hill
    from here.

    A change of socks may be in order. Maybe a change in shoes.
    Certainly you will notice a change in mental well-being.

    So now with your question: What to wear, and what to bring.
    My recommendation is to wear shorts and a light cool-max
    style t-shirt. Bring a light-weight long-sleeve cool-max
    style shirt that you can wrap around your waist when you're
    not wearing it. And maybe some lightweight running gloves.

    Good luck!

    -CF

  7. Beach Runner <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I am running my first Pike's Peak Marathon this weekend (NOT my first
    marathon) and I need advice on what to wear/bring. With the potential
    variations in temp and condition, I'm not sure what to wear.


    Oxygen!

    The rule book specifically disqualifies any runner who accepts supplemental oxygen.

    Andy

  8. (1) There is water every 2-3 miles according to the course description.
    (2) If you haven't practiced eating during long races by now, DO NOT TRY THIS
    ON RACE DAY. YTou could get severe cramps or nausea, especially with altitude
    complications.
    (3) Temps at the summit will be 20 degrees cooler than at the base. You might
    want a windbreaker.

  9. (1) There is water every 2-3 miles according to the course description.
    (2) If you haven't practiced eating during long races by now, DO NOT TRY THIS
    ON RACE DAY. YTou could get severe cramps or nausea, especially with altitude
    complications.
    (3) Temps at the summit will be 20 degrees cooler than at the base. You might
    want a windbreaker.

  10. Quoted message said:

    Pike's Peak Marathon: GEAR ADVICE

    I'd suggest a Harley Davidson soft tail.

  11. amh said:

    Beach Runner <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >I am running my first Pike's Peak Marathon this weekend (NOT my first
    >marathon) and I need advice on what to wear/bring. With the potential
    >variations in temp and condition, I'm not sure what to wear.

    Oxygen!

    The rule book specifically disqualifies any runner who accepts supplemental oxygen.

    Andy

    It was a joke. If you can get any experience at high altitude, so so.

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