Pictures Geneva - Classique Genevoise 2003

Kurt Fischer said:

The course was definitely hilly, pictures prove it. Werner van Hamer was 9 minutes ahead of the
first DFer. Recumbents can't climb? ;-)

Come off it, Kurt, everyone knows that recumbents can *never* be competitive with uprights in a road
race, becuase they, er, hang on...

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Originally posted by Dave Larrington
"Come off it, Kurt, everyone knows that recumbents can *never* be competitive with uprights in a road
race, because they, er, hang on...

"Come on now Dave, everyone in the US knows that lowracers can *never* be competitive with uprights in a road race, because they, er, can't hang on to the pack and depend on the draft.

Funny how those Euro bent racers showed that semi low and lowracers with tailfairings could finish way ahead of the DF pack by 9 minutes in a real road race with climbs.

Jetlegs
😉

"JetLegs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message ...

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Funny how those Euro bent racers showed that semi low and lowracers with tailfairings could finish
way ahead of the DF pack by 9 minutes in a real road race with climbs.

Only trouble with that is those DF guys as you call them weren't top roadies like me. You guys
always stack the deck with these geek races don't you.

Put some top riders like me against those benters and the results would sure be different.

Here's a little eye opener for you, on July 20 stage 14 at the TdF guys like me will race out that
stage at an expected average speed of between 31 - 35kph. Now take into account that this stage
covers the col de la Core, Portet d; Aspet, Col de Mente, Portillon, and the Peyresourde!

Now none of you guys could even cover that in one day at a tourist's pace let alone trying to keep
up with us.

Sorry to have burst your bubble there Jetlag.

Oh, and stop saying 'DF', that really makes you sound like one of those dorky geeks. We are called
cyclists, ok, got that?

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fabrizio Mazzol
Oh, and stop saying 'DF', that really makes you sound like one of those dorky geeks. We are called
cyclists, ok, got that?

Yawn

JetLegs

Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

Now take into account that this stage covers the col de la Core, Portet d; Aspet, Col de Mente,
Portillon, and the Peyresourde!

Gesundheit!

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Oh, and stop saying 'DF', that really makes you sound like one of those dorky geeks. We are called
cyclists, ok, got that?

Riding wedgie ass-hatchets.

"Zippy the Pinhead" <[email hidden]> wrote in message ..

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Riding wedgie ass-hatchets.

Now that just doesn't make any sense at all.

Us roadies are the elite out there.

JetLegs said:

Originally posted by Fabrizio Mazzol Oh, and stop saying 'DF', that really makes you sound like
one of those dorky geeks. We are called cyclists, ok, got that?

Yawn

JetLegs,

Just remember when you blow by Fabrizio during a race like he is sitting still, that he has you
beaten hands down in the fashionable cycling clothing department. After all, style is more important
than speed, right?

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

Fabrizio Mazzoleni must be edykated coz e writed:

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"JetLegs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message ...

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Funny how those Euro bent racers showed that semi low and lowracers with tailfairings could
finish way ahead of the DF pack by 9 minutes in a real road race with climbs.

Only trouble with that is those DF guys as you call them weren't top roadies like me. You guys
always stack the deck with these geek races don't you.

Put some top riders like me against those benters and the results would sure be different.

Here's a little eye opener for you, on July 20 stage 14 at the TdF guys like me will race out that
stage at an expected average speed of between 31 - 35kph. Now take into account that this stage
covers the col de la Core, Portet d; Aspet, Col de Mente, Portillon, and the Peyresourde!

Now none of you guys could even cover that in one day at a tourist's pace let alone trying to keep
up with us.

Sorry to have burst your bubble there Jetlag.

Oh, and stop saying 'DF', that really makes you sound like one of those dorky geeks. We are called
cyclists, ok, got that?

Wedgies!

Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

Only trouble with that is those DF guys as you call them weren't top roadies like me. You guys
always stack the deck with these geek races don't you.

Only trouble with that is that the recumbent riders weren't either. They have real jobs...

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Originally posted by Dave Larrington
"Only trouble with that is that the recumbent riders weren't either. They have real jobs.."

Dave,
Too bad those winning bent racers have to work for a living like the ones that beat those DFs at the Classique Genevoise.

Did you notice how Fabs comeback posts are about as laughable as the guy that posts claims about the dual 650C unfaired being faster than any of the lowracers with tailfairings.

Funny stuff.

JetLegs

JetLegs said:

...Did you notice how Fabs comeback posts are about as laughable as the guy that posts claims
about the dual 650C unfaired being faster than any of the lowracers with tailfairings.

Funny stuff.

Be careful - you might get challenged to a race on a course that is flooded with a foot of water so
the highracer would have a definite advantage. 😉

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

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Be careful - you might get challenged to a race on a course that is flooded with a foot of water
so the highracer would have a definite advantage. 😉

Don't know what you mean by highracer, but I would like to line up with jetlag at the start line of
some real bike race and see just what he's made of. He can leave the contraption at home and we will
do it the correct way and see just who has the real legs.

Anyway, us top riders will be proving things on Saturday at the start line at Pont d' Lena in Paris,
as usual for any real race, any benters will be the couch potatoes watching us from the sidelines.

I'm heading out to do some motorpaced threshold and lactate tolerance reps, any of you guys riding
those things out there just stay well over to the right hand side of the road when I come up from
behind and pass you, take the gutter if you must, as I'm not fooling around out there on Wednesday
evenings, ok, got that?

Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message .com...

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Be careful - you might get challenged to a race on a course that is flooded with a foot of water
so the highracer would have a definite advantage. 😉

Don't know what you mean by highracer....

Fab,

Just in case you are being serious (or for anyone else who does not know), a highracer is a
recumbent bike with same sized wheels (ISO 559-mm or larger), and a high BB/reclined seat riding
position intended to minimize frontal area. This is what "nogoslow" rides. [1]

[1] See < x-eyed.comaero1.htmlOpen ↗ >

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

Originally posted by Fabrizio Mazzol

Don't know what you mean by highracer...

Fab,
A highracer in the DF world is the style of bike that you ride. In the recumbent world they are bikes made out of a straight metal tube with dual 650C wheels.

I'll be nice to you this evening Fab and give you some lowracer & highracer 101 education.

Being up high on a recumbent creates more aero drag for the rider compared to riding a lowracer. More watts are required to produce the same speed when riding high in the air compared to the efficiency of the lower height lowracer design.

Some riders in Bentland prefer to ride high so they can imitate DF riders and pacelines with drafting. Others just like the style of the bike and claim better rolling resistance with dual 650C wheels. Most recumbent riding is for recreational exercise and the style of the bike isn't important. Variety is a good thing.

The bent riders that like to go fast and participate in races prefer the lowracer design over the highracer design.

If you post your address I'll email you my invoice for your bike lesson. OK Fab?

Regards,
Professor JetLegs

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If you post your address I'll email you my invoice for your bike lesson. OK Fab?

I'll be on the road for the next three weeks, however you can send correspondence to:

G.S. Vini Calderola-SO.DI Italy Sidermec Sport Via Stefano Franscini 10 CH-6850 Mendrisio

Phone: (+41) 91-646 37 01 Fax : (+41) 91-646 38 62

And it should get to me at the Village-Départ next day or post race at the hotel.

Just don't say you're a benter on the outside of the envelope, my team manager Mauro Gianetti
doesn't like benters, he's like me, Italian.

Originally posted by Fabrizio Mazzol [/i]

I'll be on the road for the next three weeks, however you can send correspondence to...

Fab,
I just talked to Mauro who said "Fabrizio no come to phone. He mad that old man riding recumbent wearing sandals, baggy shorts and Tshirt pass him on mountain road during training ride. Fabrizio no stop crying and this make members of team send him far away back to BC"

JetLegs

"JetLegs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message .au...

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and this make members of team send him far away back to BC"

That would never happen at this stage of events, todays the team presentations in Paris. My job is
to ride for Stefano Garzelli and help him in the mountains during the tour.

Do you benter types follow the tour?

Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

Do you benter types follow the tour?

Same way you do -- from a semi-reclined position. At least we get some exercise in so doing...

Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

G.S. Vini Calderola-SO.DI Italy Sidermec Sport Via Stefano Franscini 10 CH-6850 Mendrisio

Phone: (+41) 91-646 37 01 Fax : (+41) 91-646 38 62

And it should get to me at the Village-Départ next day or post race at the hotel.

You'd think that, were there even a shred of truth in this, the so-called "Fabrizio" would know that
ther eis no "e" in Caldirola. Wouldn't you?

Oddly enough, there is an Eddy Mazzoleni on the Vini Caldirola team. I wonder is they might by any
chance be related (No - Ed.)

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