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"andrew lyner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Does anyone know about the regulations regarding lighting camp fires
when in the Picos (North Spain)?
I intend to do a week's (minimalist) trekking in July and don't want to
carry a stove if it's not essential there.
Andrew Lyner

You might find that if you're in a designated national park - I have a
feeling there is one covering the Picos - then camp fires are banned.
Surely today's stoves are so small and lightweight that you could carry one.
I have an MSR Pocket Rocket which CAN be carried in a pocket. There are some
places in Europe where you can get screw on cannisters for them.

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"andrew lyner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Does anyone know about the regulations regarding lighting camp fires
when in the Picos (North Spain)?
I intend to do a week's (minimalist) trekking in July and don't

want to

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carry a stove if it's not essential there.
Andrew Lyner

You might find that if you're in a designated national park - I have a
feeling there is one covering the Picos - then camp fires are banned.
Surely today's stoves are so small and lightweight that you could

carry one.

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I have an MSR Pocket Rocket which CAN be carried in a pocket. There

are some

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places in Europe where you can get screw on cannisters for them.

### The Picos de Europa is a National Park so fires are banned.
There really is no justification for having fires these days, especially
in an area like this, and with much of Spain suffering the effects of a
drought. I'm getting really cheesed off at finding fire rings and burnt
ground and, where the deadwood has been exhausted, branches ripped off
growing trees. It's becoming as bad as finding TP everywhere there's a
decent place to wild camp.
I *really* would like to encourage you (as Michael says) to carry a
small stove and gas canister (surely you're not balking at the extra few
grammes they'd take up 🙂.....please?
Graham

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Does anyone know about the regulations regarding lighting camp fires
when in the Picos (North Spain)?
I intend to do a week's (minimalist) trekking in July and don't

want to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

carry a stove if it's not essential there.
Andrew Lyner

You might find that if you're in a designated national park - I have a
feeling there is one covering the Picos - then camp fires are banned.
Surely today's stoves are so small and lightweight that you could

carry one.

Quoted message said:

I have an MSR Pocket Rocket which CAN be carried in a pocket. There

are some

Quoted message said:

places in Europe where you can get screw on cannisters for them.

### The Picos de Europa is a National Park so fires are banned.
There really is no justification for having fires these days, especially
in an area like this, and with much of Spain suffering the effects of a
drought. I'm getting really cheesed off at finding fire rings and burnt
ground and, where the deadwood has been exhausted, branches ripped off
growing trees. It's becoming as bad as finding TP everywhere there's a
decent place to wild camp.
I *really* would like to encourage you (as Michael says) to carry a
small stove and gas canister (surely you're not balking at the extra few
grammes they'd take up 🙂.....please?
Graham

Another aspect to this is to consider the mess that an open fire will make
of your mess tins(no pun intended) Open fires always leave a nasty sooty
deposit which can be a b.ugger to clean. Conversely modern gas stoves leave
your tins clean need nothing more than perhaps a wipe on the underside.

On 15/6/05 22:14, in article
[email hidden], "andrew lyner"

Quoted message said:

Does anyone know about the regulations regarding lighting camp fires
when in the Picos (North Spain)?
I intend to do a week's (minimalist) trekking in July and don't want to
carry a stove if it's not essential there.

The Spanish are more strict on wild camping than the French on the other
side of the border. Wild camping is forbidden within the national parks and
there are not as many refuges that have camping grounds adjacent. The
ground can also get very dry. I wouldn't even think of lighting a fire
there!

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Andy Howell
Birmingham, UK

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"andrew lyner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Does anyone know about the regulations regarding lighting camp fires
when in the Picos (North Spain)?
I intend to do a week's (minimalist) trekking in July and don't want to
carry a stove if it's not essential there.

Not sure about camp fires but you are limited to camping only above 1700m -
anything below is forbidden(although we did get away with it on high
mountain pasture where the shepherds dont often go). I wouldnt have thought
it was a problem if you were careful - we used solid fuel cubes for heating
up water and then added to dehydrated food. For food possibilities, if it
fits with your itinerary I can recommend the accommodation in Bulnes -
unbelievably cheap, good beds and shower and satellite T.V. Oh, and the bar
owner opened the restaurant specially for us on a sunday night - very much
recommended! Cain had good selection of restaurants, bars hotels etc.
Poseda had a lot of accommodation and bars. Fuente De has a very good
campsite with accommodation if you need it. There are also refugios
everywhere and these can be as basic as the Aircraft carrier gun turret at
Cabana Veronica(where the guy spoke only Spanish but there was bread and
water) or as plush as the one at Urrellio(where there was water, toilets,
bar, beds etc) - I'd recommend these if you want to travel light but you
cant always guarantee to get a bunk.

Be aware that next to no-one speaks English so you need someone who can do
some Spanish, even very basic. Oh, and if you plan to camp high, remember
that there are still wolves in the Picos - even the sound one night of them
baying was a bit weird(not half as bad as the night the local shepherds
brought all their cows, with bells, back into Fuente De - jingle-jangle for
seven hours gets a bit hard on the ear!). Also, in September last year, it
was baking hot when the sun rose about 10-30-11 am but before that and after
it went down at 7-8 it got quite cold(particularly in the mountains).

rob

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On 15/6/05 22:14, in article
[email hidden], "andrew lyner"

Quoted message said:

Does anyone know about the regulations regarding lighting camp fires
when in the Picos (North Spain)?
I intend to do a week's (minimalist) trekking in July and don't want to
carry a stove if it's not essential there.

The Spanish are more strict on wild camping than the French on the other
side of the border. Wild camping is forbidden within the national parks

and

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there are not as many refuges that have camping grounds adjacent. The
ground can also get very dry. I wouldn't even think of lighting a fire
there!

As I've already replied, we were told by the Spanish that camping above
1700m is fine but not below. As you say, they dont seem to believe in
campsites.

Rob