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  1. I'm thinking of making some corned beef and using Sheldon's recipe.
    Since I've never tried any recipe which calls for pickling, I need
    some help on the amount of spices to use for his recipe. I know it
    will depend on portion. Are "pickling spices" from my local
    supermarket OK to use?

    Here is Sheldon's recipe:
    Corned Beef

    Choose good grade of thin-cut corned beef (I prefer Nathan's).

    Cook in the largest pot you own. Seriously, cook in lots of water.
    First, rinse corned beef and and discard spices if present (old spices
    were used up), or save spice packet if present. Start in cold water.
    Bring to the boil (uncovered). Simmer 1/2 hour, dump water! Yes,
    discarding water removes excess salt/nitrites. Okay, now the actual
    cooking begins. Start in cold water (again? yes, again!). Add spice
    packet (if none exists or since you dumped the first batch, add new
    pickling spices. Bring to the boil, lower heat to low simmer. Simmer
    aproximately 1 hour and add peeled carrots (whole) and unpeeled
    potatoes (whole), bring to simmer again and add cabbage wedges. Simmer
    til veggies are tender and remove. Continue simmering til corned beef
    is tender yet firm; test with fork (your forking may vary). Remove
    corned beef to roasting pan fat side up, cover liberally with brown
    sugar, tent loosely with foil, and place in 325 F oven for 30-45
    minutes. Remove corned beef from oven (now place veggies in oven to
    reheat). Let corned beef rest uncovered 15 minutes. With sharp knife
    slice thinly accross grain, and serve with veggies, mustard, and beer.
    ---

    Recipe Type
    Holiday, Main Dish, Meat

    Author: Sheldon

  2. On Sat 12 Mar 2005 08:14:38a, Ginny Sher wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm thinking of making some corned beef and using Sheldon's recipe.
    Since I've never tried any recipe which calls for pickling, I need
    some help on the amount of spices to use for his recipe. I know it
    will depend on portion. Are "pickling spices" from my local
    supermarket OK to use?

    Nothing wrong with supermarket pickling spices as long as they're fresh and
    sealed. I've used both Spice Islands and McCormick's premium brand.

    As to the amount, a lot of it is simply personal taste. I like a fairly
    strong flavor, so i would probably use at least 1 tablespoon.

    HTH

    --
    Wayne Boatwright
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

  3. Ginny Sher <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm thinking of making some corned beef and using Sheldon's recipe.
    Since I've never tried any recipe which calls for pickling, I need
    some help on the amount of spices to use for his recipe. I know it
    will depend on portion. Are "pickling spices" from my local
    supermarket OK to use?

    Hag and I did a thread on making corned beef from scratch...using a
    brisket or bottom round roast...It was just a couple yrs ago or less.

    We tried various methods and posted recipes.

    --
    No Bread Crumbs were hurt in the making of this Meal.
    Type 2 Diabetic 1AC 5.6mmol or 101mg/dl
    Continuing to be Manitoban

  4. Ginny Sher said:

    I'm thinking of making some corned beef and using Sheldon's recipe.
    Since I've never tried any recipe which calls for pickling, I need
    some help on the amount of spices to use for his recipe. I know it
    will depend on portion. Are "pickling spices" from my local
    supermarket OK to use?

    Be aware that my recipe is NOT for how to corn beef, only for how to
    cook corned beef.

    You can use any pickling spices, but I've tried many commercial blends
    and none compare with Penzeys. Other pickling spice blends go heavy on
    the mustard seeds, the least expensive spice. Penseys pickling spice
    blend uses a lower proportion of mustard seeds and contains far more of
    the more expensive spices... and of a greater assortment... it is also
    of fresh full potency ingredients.

    Penzeys Pickling Spice
    "A high-quality blend for all pickling and canning, and packed with
    flavorful spices for traditional recipes. Use 2-3 tsp. per quart for
    bread and butter pickles, pickled eggs or onions, canned tomatoes and
    peppers. For dill pickles, add fresh dill sprigs and garlic cloves.
    Also nice for sauerbraten. We use less mustard seed than most pickling
    spice mixes, as mustard is the least expensive spice around. Penzeys
    pickling spice has the proper blend of spices, mustard and bay leaves.
    Hand-mixed from: yellow and brown Canadian mustard seeds, Jamaican
    allspice, cracked China cassia, cracked Turkish bay leaves, dill seed,
    Zanzibar cloves, cracked China ginger, Tellicherry peppercorns, star
    anise, Moroccan coriander, juniper berries, West Indies mace, cardamom
    and medium hot crushed red peppers."
    ---

    Sheldon

  5. Sheldon said:


    Ginny Sher said:

    I'm thinking of making some corned beef and using Sheldon's recipe.
    Since I've never tried any recipe which calls for pickling, I need
    some help on the amount of spices to use for his recipe. I know it
    will depend on portion. Are "pickling spices" from my local
    supermarket OK to use?

    Be aware that my recipe is NOT for how to corn beef, only for how to
    cook corned beef.


    What I was thinking of preparing is "corned beef and cabbage". I
    really don't know anything about "corning beef" and I gather from your
    post it is different than what I was hoping to make. I bought a
    "corned beef" brisket at Costco and want to follow your directions for
    cooking it. It is in the celophane type wrapping and covered in
    spices. I'll put it in a big pot of water, etc. etc. and ultimately
    replace the spices that came on it with some picking spices,
    preferably from Penzey's. I was really hoping to find out the amount
    of pickling spice needed for something around 3 lbs.

    Thanks.
    Ginny

  6. Ginny Sher said:

    I'm thinking of making some corned beef and using Sheldon's recipe.
    Since I've never tried any recipe which calls for pickling, I need
    some help on the amount of spices to use for his recipe. I know it
    will depend on portion. Are "pickling spices" from my local
    supermarket OK to use?

    Sheldon's recipe for cooking corned beef looks just fine. Here's a
    recipe for making corned beef. I know that's not what you are looking
    for, but look at the spices it uses halfway down the recipe in the
    steamer. You can use the same mixture and proportion of whole spices if
    you want instead of using mixed "pickling spices". (I'd also add a bay
    leaf, and leave out the salt.) But any decent brand of store-bought
    mixed pickling spices should work too. Don't but really cheap pickling
    spices because it will be mostly mustard seeds. (If you *like* lots of
    mustard, buy mustard and use that -- it's even cheaper than cheap
    pickling spices)

    Best regards,
    Bob

    TASTE
    SHOW#TS4838

    JEWISH STYLE CORNED BEEF

    1-12 pound whole brisket
    4 quarts water
    2 cups Kosher salt
    1 teaspoon saltpeter
    5 bay leaves
    7 cloves garlic, smashed
    1/4 teaspoon ground cloves
    2 teaspoons whole peppercorns
    1 teaspoon allspice berries
    1 teaspoon mustard seeds
    1 cup white vinegar
    1/2 cup white sugar

    Place all ingredients except garlic and brisket in a large pan and bring
    to a boil and cool. Place garlic and brisket in non-reactive pot and
    cover with brining liquid, cover with a plate and weight for 3 weeks,
    turning after 1 1/2 weeks.

    Add to a steamer pot:
    1/4 teaspoon cloves
    2 teaspoons peppercorns
    1 teaspoon allspice berries
    1 teaspoon mustard seeds
    3 cloves garlic
    1/4 cup salt

    Remove meat from the brine and rinse. Add enough water to the steamer
    pot to reach just below the bottom of the steamer. Place meat in
    steamer.

    Steam for 3 hours, until tender.

    Suggested wine: 1988 Erdener Treppchen Riesling Kabinett, Elisabeth
    Christoffel - Berres

  7. Ginny Sher at [email hidden] wrote on 3/12/05 1:31 PM:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    What I was thinking of preparing is "corned beef and cabbage". I
    really don't know anything about "corning beef" and I gather from your
    post it is different than what I was hoping to make. I bought a
    "corned beef" brisket at Costco and want to follow your directions for
    cooking it. It is in the celophane type wrapping and covered in
    spices. I'll put it in a big pot of water, etc. etc. and ultimately
    replace the spices that came on it with some picking spices,
    preferably from Penzey's. I was really hoping to find out the amount
    of pickling spice needed for something around 3 lbs.

    Thanks.
    Ginny

    Hi Ginny,
    Are you are using Penzey's blend of "Pickling Spices", or their Corned Beef
    Spices?
    There are two and they are different. Neither jar, by the way, instructs for
    how much to use to cook corned beef brisket.

    Corned Beef Spices salt free: Hand-mixed from: brown and yellow mustard
    seeds, coriander, Jamaican allspice, cracked cassia, dill seed, Turkish bay
    leaves, Zanzibar cloves, China #1 ginger, Tellicherry peppercorns, star
    anise, juniper, mace, cardamom, red pepper.

    Pickling Spice: Hand-mixed from: yellow and brown Canadian mustard seeds,
    Jamaican allspice, cracked China cassia, cracked Turkish bay leaves, dill
    seed, Zanzibar cloves, cracked China ginger, Tellicherry peppercorns, star
    anise, Moroccan coriander, juniper berries, West Indies mace, cardamom and
    medium hot crushed red peppers.

    If you have to buy a supermarket brand, I would add black peppercorns to
    whatever you buy, it will be mostly mustard seeds. Also, if you have some
    dill seed, toss them in, and a couple bay leaves, at least.

    Now, I have a 3lb point cut corned beef I just bought, along with the
    attending cabbage, potatoes, turnips and carrots. My mom always made it a
    "New England Boiled Dinner" and ALWAYS included turnips and carrots. YUM!

    What I plan to do is to rinse off the meat, and I cook mine in my crock pot.
    (I LOVE my crock pot!)

    What I usually do is layer the cut up root veggies (not the cabbage, I
    despise overcooked cabbage!) in the bottom, along with an onion, cut in
    half, and the meat on top of the veggies. I add 5-6 garlic cloves which have
    been peeled and smashed but not cut up (the smashing releases the flavor,
    but keeping it whole makes it easier to fish them out later). The garlic
    goes right on top of the meat. I toss in a bay leaf or two, and then I use
    about a teaspoon of both corned beef spice and pickling spice (if I have
    pickling. if not, 2 teaspoons of the cb spice) and I also use a teaspoonful
    of whole black peppercorns. I put them in a bowl and break them up some
    with the side of a small cup. Just to flatten the whole spices a bit, it
    helps release their flavors.

    Then I put in just enough water to not quite cover the meat. The meat will
    float, anyway, but you don't want it drowned, just a moist environment.

    I put the slow-cooker (crock pot) on low heat and let it go for 9-10 hours.
    When I get home from work, I put the cabbage wedges into a sauce pan and
    ladle some of the water the meat cooked in into the pot. Bring it to a boil
    and let it cook 10-15 minutes, until it's the desired degree of done, which
    for me is completely cooked through but not mush. This way, you get the
    flavors of the cooking water without overcooking it. If I were making this
    on the stove top, I still wouldn't put the cabbage in the pot until the last
    15 minutes...same idea.

    While the cabbage is cooking, let the meat rest. Fish out the veggies from
    the brine. I will usually butter the veggies, that's what my mom always
    did, including the cabbage. All on a platter for us to take what we want.

    Sometimes I gather up some of the drained garlic cloves and softened
    peppercorns and other spices (Not the bay leaves of course) whirr them
    together with the stick the blender until they make a paste and add some
    dijon mustard for a flavorful condiment for the meat. it's really good!
    Horseradish would zip it up.

    On a stove top, I still wouldn't overdo the water. Only for 2 hours, rather
    than 9-10.

  8. Sheryl Rosen said:

    Ginny Sher at [email hidden] wrote on 3/12/05 1:31 PM:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    What I was thinking of preparing is "corned beef and cabbage". I
    really don't know anything about "corning beef" and I gather from your
    post it is different than what I was hoping to make. I bought a
    "corned beef" brisket at Costco and want to follow your directions for
    cooking it. It is in the celophane type wrapping and covered in
    spices. I'll put it in a big pot of water, etc. etc. and ultimately
    replace the spices that came on it with some picking spices,
    preferably from Penzey's. I was really hoping to find out the amount
    of pickling spice needed for something around 3 lbs.

    Thanks.
    Ginny

    Hi Ginny,
    Are you are using Penzey's blend of "Pickling Spices", or their Corned Beef
    Spices?
    There are two and they are different. Neither jar, by the way, instructs for
    how much to use to cook corned beef brisket.

    Corned Beef Spices salt free: Hand-mixed from: brown and yellow mustard
    seeds, coriander, Jamaican allspice, cracked cassia, dill seed, Turkish bay
    leaves, Zanzibar cloves, China #1 ginger, Tellicherry peppercorns, star
    anise, juniper, mace, cardamom, red pepper.

    Pickling Spice: Hand-mixed from: yellow and brown Canadian mustard seeds,
    Jamaican allspice, cracked China cassia, cracked Turkish bay leaves, dill
    seed, Zanzibar cloves, cracked China ginger, Tellicherry peppercorns, star
    anise, Moroccan coriander, juniper berries, West Indies mace, cardamom and
    medium hot crushed red peppers.

    If you have to buy a supermarket brand, I would add black peppercorns to
    whatever you buy, it will be mostly mustard seeds. Also, if you have some
    dill seed, toss them in, and a couple bay leaves, at least.

    Now, I have a 3lb point cut corned beef I just bought, along with the
    attending cabbage, potatoes, turnips and carrots. My mom always made it a
    "New England Boiled Dinner" and ALWAYS included turnips and carrots. YUM!

    What I plan to do is to rinse off the meat, and I cook mine in my crock pot.
    (I LOVE my crock pot!)

    What I usually do is layer the cut up root veggies (not the cabbage, I
    despise overcooked cabbage!) in the bottom, along with an onion, cut in
    half, and the meat on top of the veggies. I add 5-6 garlic cloves which have
    been peeled and smashed but not cut up (the smashing releases the flavor,
    but keeping it whole makes it easier to fish them out later). The garlic
    goes right on top of the meat. I toss in a bay leaf or two, and then I use
    about a teaspoon of both corned beef spice and pickling spice (if I have
    pickling. if not, 2 teaspoons of the cb spice) and I also use a teaspoonful
    of whole black peppercorns. I put them in a bowl and break them up some
    with the side of a small cup. Just to flatten the whole spices a bit, it
    helps release their flavors.

    Then I put in just enough water to not quite cover the meat. The meat will
    float, anyway, but you don't want it drowned, just a moist environment.

    I put the slow-cooker (crock pot) on low heat and let it go for 9-10 hours.
    When I get home from work, I put the cabbage wedges into a sauce pan and
    ladle some of the water the meat cooked in into the pot. Bring it to a boil
    and let it cook 10-15 minutes, until it's the desired degree of done, which
    for me is completely cooked through but not mush. This way, you get the
    flavors of the cooking water without overcooking it. If I were making this
    on the stove top, I still wouldn't put the cabbage in the pot until the last
    15 minutes...same idea.

    While the cabbage is cooking, let the meat rest. Fish out the veggies from
    the brine. I will usually butter the veggies, that's what my mom always
    did, including the cabbage. All on a platter for us to take what we want.

    Sometimes I gather up some of the drained garlic cloves and softened
    peppercorns and other spices (Not the bay leaves of course) whirr them
    together with the stick the blender until they make a paste and add some
    dijon mustard for a flavorful condiment for the meat. it's really good!
    Horseradish would zip it up.

    On a stove top, I still wouldn't overdo the water. Only for 2 hours, rather
    than 9-10.

    Wow, that also sounds excellent. I'm saving this advice. I will
    probably use regular grocery store spices this time as I have the meat
    in my refrigerator now. I'll add the other spices you recommended.
    That should improve things a bit. I don't care for overcooked cabbage
    either. Blech!

    Thanks,
    Ginny < recieved Penzey's latest catalogue a few days ago

  9. "Ginny Sher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm thinking of making some corned beef and using Sheldon's recipe.
    Since I've never tried any recipe which calls for pickling, I need
    some help on the amount of spices to use for his recipe. I know it
    will depend on portion. Are "pickling spices" from my local
    supermarket OK to use?

    <snip w/credit to Sheldon's recipe>

    I use Penzy's pickling spices in a spice bag, with a couple of bay leaves
    thrown in, for about 8-9 lbs of corned beef.

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