Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?

RicodJour said:

I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
job. Anyone know what really happened?

Those Dutch bike thieves are going international.

My car was the one broken into at dinner. I won't go into explicit detail
here, because of investigations surrounding the police report, insurance
claims, etc.

They took no bikes - which was good, because they were certainly much more
than $2000 each. I mean really, what does a Madone 5.9SL run these days?
They took none of the race wheels in the back seat, about another $3.5k
retail. So no, it wasn't an inside job, and they weren't bike thieves. It
was a car in a parking lot with bikes on the roof and out of town plates.
We were at a restaurant for dinner, so probably wouldn't come back to the
car for awhile. It was a station wagon, so our bags were in plain view
(though none of the valuables were) so we were an easy target.

They took my passengers bags: laptop, ipod, textbooks, checkbook, bike
shoes, helmet, glasses, team clothing, powertap, tools, etc.

They got my bags: dslr camera kit, ipod, books, checkbook, bike shoes,
helmet, glasses, team clothing, etc.

They got my toolbox, which ticks me off the most. Years of accumulation of
cycling tools and spare parts, gone.

We couldn't race the next day, since we had no shoes, helmet, jerseys, etc.
That's why the woman who won the A race on Saturday was a no-show for
Sunday.

We are both investigating options with our insurance companies. Honestly,
if they'd just stolen the bikes off of the (locked) roof rack and all the
wheels out of the back seat, it would have been far easier (though more
expensive) to replace. The inventory list I sent to my company had over 120
individual line items. So if anybody sees any duffel bags, book bags, and a
red craftsman toolbox in a dumpster in west philly, drop me a line. Or if
you see anybody there wearing UVA kit, other than Bridge (one of our very
own graduates, turned bike messenger there) call the "Lower Marion Township"
authorities.

JN

"RicodJour" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I was at the races this weekend in Philadelphia. Excellent
time...unless you needed to use one of the 6 porta-potties that didn't
get emptied for the entire weekend. Blecch!

I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
job. Anyone know what really happened?

R

And the only person who "knew" where we were going was the hott chica from
one of the host schools who directed me to that place for dinner. I don't
think it was an inside job, so please don't start rumors about stuff like
that within the ECCC or ACCC cycling communities.

JN

"RicodJour" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I was at the races this weekend in Philadelphia. Excellent
time...unless you needed to use one of the 6 porta-potties that didn't
get emptied for the entire weekend. Blecch!

I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
job. Anyone know what really happened?

R

John Neil said:

My car was the one broken into at dinner. I won't go into explicit detail
here, because of investigations surrounding the police report, insurance
claims, etc.

They took no bikes - which was good, because they were certainly much more
than $2000 each. I mean really, what does a Madone 5.9SL run these days?
They took none of the race wheels in the back seat, about another $3.5k
retail. So no, it wasn't an inside job, and they weren't bike thieves. It
was a car in a parking lot with bikes on the roof and out of town plates.
We were at a restaurant for dinner, so probably wouldn't come back to the
car for awhile. It was a station wagon, so our bags were in plain view
(though none of the valuables were) so we were an easy target.

They took my passengers bags: laptop, ipod, textbooks, checkbook, bike
shoes, helmet, glasses, team clothing, powertap, tools, etc.

They got my bags: dslr camera kit, ipod, books, checkbook, bike shoes,
helmet, glasses, team clothing, etc.

They got my toolbox, which ticks me off the most. Years of accumulation of
cycling tools and spare parts, gone.

We couldn't race the next day, since we had no shoes, helmet, jerseys, etc.
That's why the woman who won the A race on Saturday was a no-show for
Sunday.

We are both investigating options with our insurance companies. Honestly,
if they'd just stolen the bikes off of the (locked) roof rack and all the
wheels out of the back seat, it would have been far easier (though more
expensive) to replace. The inventory list I sent to my company had over 120
individual line items. So if anybody sees any duffel bags, book bags, and a
red craftsman toolbox in a dumpster in west philly, drop me a line. Or if
you see anybody there wearing UVA kit, other than Bridge (one of our very
own graduates, turned bike messenger there) call the "Lower Marion Township"
authorities.

John Neil said:

"RicodJour" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
job. Anyone know what really happened?

And the only person who "knew" where we were going was the hott chica from
one of the host schools who directed me to that place for dinner. I don't
think it was an inside job, so please don't start rumors about stuff like
that within the ECCC or ACCC cycling communities.

Hey John. I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. I had no intention
of starting a rumor, and I apologize if that's how it came across.
I'd heard the rumor that UVA's van had been broken into and they'd
lost the bikes and everything and that's why I was asking what really
happened. Thanks for setting the record straight.

I've been ripped off several times, once losing a shop full of tools,
and I know how difficult it is to even list everything. I hope your
insurance company comes through for you. Good luck.

R

Makes me wonder how rumors even get started. I don't even have a van. Our
teammate with the van couldn't attend this weekend.

Everything will work out one way or another.

JN

"RicodJour" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

John Neil said:

My car was the one broken into at dinner. I won't go into explicit
detail
here, because of investigations surrounding the police report, insurance
claims, etc.

They took no bikes - which was good, because they were certainly much
more
than $2000 each. I mean really, what does a Madone 5.9SL run these days?
They took none of the race wheels in the back seat, about another $3.5k
retail. So no, it wasn't an inside job, and they weren't bike thieves.
It
was a car in a parking lot with bikes on the roof and out of town plates.
We were at a restaurant for dinner, so probably wouldn't come back to the
car for awhile. It was a station wagon, so our bags were in plain view
(though none of the valuables were) so we were an easy target.

They took my passengers bags: laptop, ipod, textbooks, checkbook, bike
shoes, helmet, glasses, team clothing, powertap, tools, etc.

They got my bags: dslr camera kit, ipod, books, checkbook, bike shoes,
helmet, glasses, team clothing, etc.

They got my toolbox, which ticks me off the most. Years of accumulation
of
cycling tools and spare parts, gone.

We couldn't race the next day, since we had no shoes, helmet, jerseys,
etc.
That's why the woman who won the A race on Saturday was a no-show for
Sunday.

We are both investigating options with our insurance companies.
Honestly,
if they'd just stolen the bikes off of the (locked) roof rack and all the
wheels out of the back seat, it would have been far easier (though more
expensive) to replace. The inventory list I sent to my company had over
120
individual line items. So if anybody sees any duffel bags, book bags,
and a
red craftsman toolbox in a dumpster in west philly, drop me a line. Or
if
you see anybody there wearing UVA kit, other than Bridge (one of our very
own graduates, turned bike messenger there) call the "Lower Marion
Township"
authorities.

John Neil said:

"RicodJour" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
job. Anyone know what really happened?

And the only person who "knew" where we were going was the hott chica
from
one of the host schools who directed me to that place for dinner. I
don't
think it was an inside job, so please don't start rumors about stuff like
that within the ECCC or ACCC cycling communities.

Hey John. I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. I had no intention
of starting a rumor, and I apologize if that's how it came across.
I'd heard the rumor that UVA's van had been broken into and they'd
lost the bikes and everything and that's why I was asking what really
happened. Thanks for setting the record straight.

I've been ripped off several times, once losing a shop full of tools,
and I know how difficult it is to even list everything. I hope your
insurance company comes through for you. Good luck.

R

The promoter is at least partially fault here for not providing security
for the parking area since he should have known that theft was a problem
in Philly. At the very least he should have warned everyone that theft
was a high probability in Philly.

I'm not sure why you are writing in here or talking like this is some
kind of astounding thing to have happened (property theft in
Philadelphia, PUH-LEEZ).

Magilla

John Neil said:

My car was the one broken into at dinner. I won't go into explicit detail
here, because of investigations surrounding the police report, insurance
claims, etc.

They took no bikes - which was good, because they were certainly much more
than $2000 each. I mean really, what does a Madone 5.9SL run these days?
They took none of the race wheels in the back seat, about another $3.5k
retail. So no, it wasn't an inside job, and they weren't bike thieves. It
was a car in a parking lot with bikes on the roof and out of town plates.
We were at a restaurant for dinner, so probably wouldn't come back to the
car for awhile. It was a station wagon, so our bags were in plain view
(though none of the valuables were) so we were an easy target.

They took my passengers bags: laptop, ipod, textbooks, checkbook, bike
shoes, helmet, glasses, team clothing, powertap, tools, etc.

They got my bags: dslr camera kit, ipod, books, checkbook, bike shoes,
helmet, glasses, team clothing, etc.

They got my toolbox, which ticks me off the most. Years of accumulation of
cycling tools and spare parts, gone.

We couldn't race the next day, since we had no shoes, helmet, jerseys, etc.
That's why the woman who won the A race on Saturday was a no-show for
Sunday.

We are both investigating options with our insurance companies. Honestly,
if they'd just stolen the bikes off of the (locked) roof rack and all the
wheels out of the back seat, it would have been far easier (though more
expensive) to replace. The inventory list I sent to my company had over 120
individual line items. So if anybody sees any duffel bags, book bags, and a
red craftsman toolbox in a dumpster in west philly, drop me a line. Or if
you see anybody there wearing UVA kit, other than Bridge (one of our very
own graduates, turned bike messenger there) call the "Lower Marion Township"
authorities.

JN

"RicodJour" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I was at the races this weekend in Philadelphia. Excellent
time...unless you needed to use one of the 6 porta-potties that didn't
get emptied for the entire weekend. Blecch!

I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
job. Anyone know what really happened?

R

Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It
didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least.
The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that
went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race.

Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion
because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was
astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we
were surprised?

jn

"MagillaGorilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The promoter is at least partially fault here for not providing security
for the parking area since he should have known that theft was a problem
in Philly. At the very least he should have warned everyone that theft
was a high probability in Philly.

I'm not sure why you are writing in here or talking like this is some kind
of astounding thing to have happened (property theft in Philadelphia,
PUH-LEEZ).

Magilla

John Neil said:

My car was the one broken into at dinner. I won't go into explicit
detail here, because of investigations surrounding the police report,
insurance claims, etc.

They took no bikes - which was good, because they were certainly much
more than $2000 each. I mean really, what does a Madone 5.9SL run these
days? They took none of the race wheels in the back seat, about another
$3.5k retail. So no, it wasn't an inside job, and they weren't bike
thieves. It was a car in a parking lot with bikes on the roof and out of
town plates. We were at a restaurant for dinner, so probably wouldn't
come back to the car for awhile. It was a station wagon, so our bags
were in plain view (though none of the valuables were) so we were an easy
target.

They took my passengers bags: laptop, ipod, textbooks, checkbook, bike
shoes, helmet, glasses, team clothing, powertap, tools, etc.

They got my bags: dslr camera kit, ipod, books, checkbook, bike shoes,
helmet, glasses, team clothing, etc.

They got my toolbox, which ticks me off the most. Years of accumulation
of cycling tools and spare parts, gone.

We couldn't race the next day, since we had no shoes, helmet, jerseys,
etc. That's why the woman who won the A race on Saturday was a no-show
for Sunday.

We are both investigating options with our insurance companies.
Honestly, if they'd just stolen the bikes off of the (locked) roof rack
and all the wheels out of the back seat, it would have been far easier
(though more expensive) to replace. The inventory list I sent to my
company had over 120 individual line items. So if anybody sees any
duffel bags, book bags, and a red craftsman toolbox in a dumpster in west
philly, drop me a line. Or if you see anybody there wearing UVA kit,
other than Bridge (one of our very own graduates, turned bike messenger
there) call the "Lower Marion Township" authorities.

JN

"RicodJour" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I was at the races this weekend in Philadelphia. Excellent
time...unless you needed to use one of the 6 porta-potties that didn't
get emptied for the entire weekend. Blecch!

I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
job. Anyone know what really happened?

R

MagillaGorilla said:

Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was
responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a
person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition.

So you're suggesting what exactly? That the promoter should indemnify
all race participants, and their guests, at any location and time?
How does a race promoter's liability insurance cover what happens in a
restaurant parking lot? I thought you were supposed to be some hot
shot racer. How can you be so clueless about the logistics?

Pardon me while I proceed to ignore you until you have something
sensible to say.

R

John Neil said:

Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It
didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least.
The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that
went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race.

It _was_ an incredibly smoothly run event. Even the weather
cooperated.

Quoted message said:

Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion
because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was
astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we
were surprised?

John, don't let the idjit bother you. The guy pops up when his meds
kick in or wear off, he makes a lot of noise to get some attention,
then he disappears for a while. Sad really.

I have an idea. Why not start your own restitution fund? People
could donate money through PayPal or whatever to help you guys get
back on your feet. I'd kick in a few bucks - not for the Ipod, but
for the team kits and such. Just a thought.

R

RicodJour said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was
responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a
person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition.

So you're suggesting what exactly? That the promoter should indemnify
all race participants, and their guests, at any location and time?
How does a race promoter's liability insurance cover what happens in a
restaurant parking lot? I thought you were supposed to be some hot
shot racer. How can you be so clueless about the logistics?

Pardon me while I proceed to ignore you until you have something
sensible to say.

R

The promoter should have warned everyone never to leave their bikes or
valuables in their cars unattended anywhere near the city because it
would likely be stolen.

Philly and its close vicinity has a notorious property theft reputation
that should have been conveyed to unwitting race participants.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla said:

All that experience officiating bike races, Curtis, and you can't even
come up with a simple solution like a warning on the race flyer?

We read them, we pass them, but we don't write them.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

RicodJour said:

John Neil said:

Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It
didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least.
The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that
went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race.

It _was_ an incredibly smoothly run event. Even the weather
cooperated.

Quoted message said:

Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion
because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was
astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we
were surprised?

John, don't let the idjit bother you. The guy pops up when his meds
kick in or wear off, he makes a lot of noise to get some attention,
then he disappears for a while. Sad really.

I have an idea. Why not start your own restitution fund? People
could donate money through PayPal or whatever to help you guys get
back on your feet. I'd kick in a few bucks - not for the Ipod, but
for the team kits and such. Just a thought.

R

Better question.... Why should everyone else's car insurance rates go up
because of this guy's stupidity for leaving valuables in his car
unattended while he went to dinner to talk about racing around a dirty
river?

If he starts that Paypal fund, I will tell Paypal to shut it down
because his stupidity constitutes fraud.

Magilla
Paypal SafeHarbor Customer Representative

Curtis L. Russell said:

MagillaGorilla said:

All that experience officiating bike races, Curtis, and you can't even
come up with a simple solution like a warning on the race flyer?

We read them, we pass them, but we don't write them.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Okay, objection noted. But the promoter had an obligation to warn
people that they were stepping into the Lion's Den when they came to Philly.

The promoter and teams who race the Commerce Bank Philly race take
extreme precuations for the prevention of theft including the hiring of
a 24 hour security guard to watch over team vehicles and getting the
race hotel to allow them to take their bikes into their hotel room.

What was this Philly Phlyer promoter thinking? I bet you there were 20
thefts at this race we didn't even hear about.

Magilla
Walmart Security Consultant

MagillaGorilla said:

John Neil said:

Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It
didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least.
The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that
went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race.

Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion
because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was
astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we
were surprised?

Dear College,

First of all, answer this question you smart-aleck college student: Were
you or were you not aware that theft and car break-ins in Philadelaphia
and the vicinity were astronomically greater than in 95% of the rest of
the country? If the answer is no, then the warning would have gone a
long way to preventing this theft.

Your logic is faulty. Most people don't look to a race organizer for
their off-site security. I also don't expect the promoter to provide
a full Wiki workup of a city, including restaurant ptomaine and
salmonella statistics. I don't expect them to point out spotty cell
phone coverage with admonitions to avoid breaking down in those areas,
mortality rates at local hospitals or anything other than to put on a
smoothly run race. They did. Well, except for the toilets.

Your "statistics" are faulty. I am sure that John is not aware that
the theft in Philadelphia is "astronomically greater than in 95% of
the rest of the country" as I'm sure that he has no idea WTF you
mean. It's impossible to parse that into something comprehensible.
In other words, you palm-jobbing sphincter swinger, Philadelphia's
_property_ crime rate is not "astronomically higher than 95% of the
country". Since John was not mugged, raped, murdered, etc.,
Philadelphia's woeful violent crime statistics don't apply. For that
he should count his blessings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Large_cities

Some people have enough knowledge to be dangerous. You have enough
knowledge to aspire to be an idiot one day. Try harder and stop
huffing.

R

MagillaGorilla said:

RicodJour said:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was
responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a
person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition.

Quoted message said:

So you're suggesting what exactly? That the promoter should indemnify
all race participants, and their guests, at any location and time?
How does a race promoter's liability insurance cover what happens in a
restaurant parking lot? I thought you were supposed to be some hot
shot racer. How can you be so clueless about the logistics?

Quoted message said:

Pardon me while I proceed to ignore you until you have something
sensible to say.

Quoted message said:

R

The promoter should have warned everyone never to leave their bikes or
valuables in their cars unattended anywhere near the city because it
would likely be stolen.

Philly and its close vicinity has a notorious property theft reputation
that should have been conveyed to unwitting race participants.

If Philly is notorious, why does anyone need a warning?

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

MagillaGorilla said:

RicodJour said:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Quoted message said:

>Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was
>responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a
>person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition.

Quoted message said:

So you're suggesting what exactly? That the promoter should indemnify
all race participants, and their guests, at any location and time?
How does a race promoter's liability insurance cover what happens in a
restaurant parking lot? I thought you were supposed to be some hot
shot racer. How can you be so clueless about the logistics?

Quoted message said:

Pardon me while I proceed to ignore you until you have something
sensible to say.

Quoted message said:

R

The promoter should have warned everyone never to leave their bikes or
valuables in their cars unattended anywhere near the city because it
would likely be stolen.

Philly and its close vicinity has a notorious property theft reputation
that should have been conveyed to unwitting race participants.

If Philly is notorious, why does anyone need a warning?

Notorious for people who live there and know the area.

Magilla

RicodJour said:

MagillaGorilla said:

John Neil said:

Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It
didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least.
The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that
went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race.

Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion
because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was
astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we
were surprised?

Dear College,

First of all, answer this question you smart-aleck college student: Were
you or were you not aware that theft and car break-ins in Philadelaphia
and the vicinity were astronomically greater than in 95% of the rest of
the country? If the answer is no, then the warning would have gone a
long way to preventing this theft.

Your logic is faulty. Most people don't look to a race organizer for
their off-site security. I also don't expect the promoter to provide
a full Wiki workup of a city, including restaurant ptomaine and
salmonella statistics. I don't expect them to point out spotty cell
phone coverage with admonitions to avoid breaking down in those areas,
mortality rates at local hospitals or anything other than to put on a
smoothly run race. They did. Well, except for the toilets.

Then why do the promoters of Commerce Bank Philly provide security and
deal with those issues? Answer: because it's not a cool thing when
$4,000 bikes and $2,000 laptops get ripped off because people from out
of town don't know the area has a high rate of car break-iins and theft.

At least put a warning on the flyer. Your comments about the
restaurents and hospital mortality rates is not on point.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla said:

Notorious for people who live there and know the area.

Dumbass,

Anyone that reads rbr knows all about people that live in Philly.

Thanks,

Bob Schwartz

Sorry to hear about this.
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