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  1. Chuckle..
    I started commuting about 10 weeks ago and I found it rather amusing
    that for the first time ever, the first I heard about petrol prices
    going through the roof was off the news and not at the pump! 🙂
    Makes you feel sort of smug doesn't it?
    Petrol could hit $2 a litre and I couldn't care - until holiday time
    when I have to tow a trailer loaded with tent, 3 x bikes, 1 x tag-a-long
    and everything else that we might need "just in case".
    I decided to make my 15 yr old MTB more commuter friendly today with
    some mudguards. I also saw some interesting end bars that have mirrors
    in them that fold out from within the end bar.

    http://www.bikecare.co.uk/acc/bar_ends.html

    Anyone used these?

  2. Spoken4 said:

    Chuckle..
    I started commuting about 10 weeks ago and I found it rather amusing
    that for the first time ever, the first I heard about petrol prices
    going through the roof was off the news and not at the pump! 🙂
    Makes you feel sort of smug doesn't it?

    Not really, there's a vast amount of people (for various reasons) who don't have the opportunity to utilise PT/cycling/car sharing etc. Needless to mention, think of how the majority of your food is transported. By road freight. Don't think bananas will be the only foodstuff subject to a price rise if petrol continues to rise past $1.30 per litre. 🙁

  3. speaking of cars and petrol.... I found these very amusing...

    milkandcookies.com43901
    milkandcookies.com44061
    milkandcookies.com44058

    cheers,
    GPL

  4. Spoken4 said:

    Chuckle..
    I started commuting about 10 weeks ago and I found it rather amusing
    that for the first time ever, the first I heard about petrol prices
    going through the roof was off the news and not at the pump! 🙂
    Makes you feel sort of smug doesn't it?

    Yep. The impact of ever increasing oil prices will bite, but not as
    badly as for a lot of people who've put themselved in positions where
    they're totally dependant on cars for transport. How long 'til we
    have horses and carts again? And shop bicycles? 5-10 years? 🙂

  5. Spoken4 said:

    I also saw some interesting end bars that have mirrors
    in them that fold out from within the end bar.

    My 2c is that those are kind of expensive for bar-ends. I reguard
    anything on the end of handlebars as consumable as they can easily get
    knocked if you drop it, clip a tree, etc, not to mention the continual
    bashing from learning parking.

    As to petrol prices, I've just been prepareing a spreadsheets on the
    cost of going away camping with the vehicle to various quiet places. Not
    many have any change out for $300 for the week and we expect it to get
    worse.

  6. Spoken4 said:

    Chuckle..
    I started commuting about 10 weeks ago and I found it rather amusing
    that for the first time ever, the first I heard about petrol prices
    going through the roof was off the news and not at the pump! 🙂
    Makes you feel sort of smug doesn't it?
    Petrol could hit $2 a litre and I couldn't care

    I use the treadly for transport and the car to cart the kids around and do a bit of shopping etc. It's on gas so only cost's $30 to fill every two weeks whereas petrol would cost about $80. When I put the car on gas ten years ago, my friends laughed and said i was mad, different story now.

  7. Spoken4 <[email hidden]> wrote in news:44379180$0$7604
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Chuckle..
    I started commuting about 10 weeks ago and I found it rather amusing
    that for the first time ever, the first I heard about petrol prices
    going through the roof was off the news and not at the pump! 🙂
    Makes you feel sort of smug doesn't it?
    Petrol could hit $2 a litre and I couldn't care -

    So you only care when things affect you ?

    Then you should care, because prices of goods and services you do use will
    go up with increased transportation costs. The delivery costs to my
    business have gone up, to a point I will absorb the increases but soon I
    will have to increase my prices. This will be ubiqutious and insidious.

    --
    Trevor S

    "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
    -Albert Einstein

  8. cfsmtb said:
    Spoken4 said:

    Chuckle..
    I started commuting about 10 weeks ago and I found it rather amusing
    that for the first time ever, the first I heard about petrol prices
    going through the roof was off the news and not at the pump! 🙂
    Makes you feel sort of smug doesn't it?

    Not really, there's a vast amount of people (for various reasons) who
    don't have the opportunity to utilise PT/cycling/car sharing etc.
    Needless to mention, think of how the majority of your food is
    transported. By road freight. Don't think bananas will be the only
    foodstuff subject to a price rise if petrol continues to rise past
    $1.30 per litre. 🙁

    Have a look at this article from, of all places aus.bicycle, back in
    1993 to see how one country dealt with a similar oil crisis when the
    Soviet Union collapsed. http://tinyurl.com/h28vz

    P

    --
    Peter McCallum
    Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

  9. cfsmtb said:

    Not really, there's a vast amount of people (for various reasons) who
    don't have the opportunity to utilise PT/cycling/car sharing etc.

    As petrol prices rise, however, new approaches to transport and living will
    develop, and solutions will be found to the problems these people face. It
    will have costs as some suburbs lose value, and others jump in value, due to
    different travel options. Bikes, car-sharing, telecommuting and new PT
    developments will all come into play in various combinations. The world
    won't end, we'll just have a somewhat revised lifestyle. But history is
    change. Look at what happened to Victoria's gold towns when the gold ran
    out.

    Quoted message said:

    Needless to mention, think of how the majority of your food is
    transported. By road freight. Don't think bananas will be the only
    foodstuff subject to a price rise if petrol continues to rise past
    $1.30 per litre. 🙁

    A good argument for greater use of rail freight (as it was in Johnnie's
    golden era, the 50s). Rail freight will still depend on oil, but a loco
    transporting 4000 tonnes of bananas from Qld is a far more fuel efficient
    option than 200 semis to transport same.

    --
    Cheers
    Peter

    ~~~ ~ _@
    ~~ ~ _- \,
    ~~ (*)/ (*)

  10. Trains may be old tech & there are more disused rail lines & tack getting pulled up more now than ever before, butfalling back & enhancing a rail infrustructure might be one of the 'quick fixes' that'll soften the blow as oil hikes.

    There are so many prime movers about nowadays on the major routes & I've seen a few of those double longs navigating streets that I didn't think regular semis would tackle.

    Sure we all have to get food to market & goods on the shelves but the trend nowadays to update or replace major goods in a short period of time is become emdemica in Aust. It's like how it is in places like the US & Japan ,places where they may have a booming economy, but the cost is a massive defict in waste.
    All this stuff that cycles through everyones lives, including yours,is trucked in & out.

  11. For fair reasons or foul ( in my case family), I spend a lot of time in the US, and what strikes me glaringly is the excess, the waste and the downright expectation that everything has to be big, and now !..

    We are moving ever closer to that and our reliance on motorised transport through B Doubles, other rigs, SUVs and smaller Mom Trucks and the glorified V8s and now almost as big V6s is excacerbating this phenomenon.

    The bike is a noble steed... available to all with mobility and brings benefits thousandfold to each rider and the community, can this be said of most motorised transport?

    If we all change our expectations from Big and Now to Sustainable and When Really Necessary we just might save this planet for us and our kids kids!

  12. Peter Signorini said:

    As petrol prices rise, however, new approaches to transport and living will
    develop, and solutions will be found to the problems these people face.

    This afternoon I noticed a couple getting out of a "Smart Car". I got out of our
    van (1982 Voyager) and went over to look at the S-C. I was originally captivated
    by them 3 years ago in London England when I saw them park sideways on the
    street because they are so short.

    The S-C imported into Canada has a 3 cylinder diesel engine (Mercedez-Benz).
    When the couple returned they said that they bought the car in Nov '05 and it
    started all winter without plugging it in. The car has synthetic motor oil in it
    - THAT is why. Perhaps it is also parked in a garage...

    The most interesting thing they told me is that the car takes 22 litres of
    diesel and they go to Brandon and almost back on a fill (that is close to 200 km
    each way (total of 400 km on just a bit more that 22 litres). They did not state
    the speed they drove at. They did mention that the car pitches forward and back
    (Like my 88" Wheelbase land Rover), BUT that the vehicle was comfortable and
    quieter than their van.....

    As I continue bicycling and using public transport I think I may just take a
    test drive of one of these S-C sold by the local MB dealer

    Ken
    Winnipeg

  13. Peter Signorini said:


    A good argument for greater use of rail freight (as it was in Johnnie's
    golden era, the 50s). Rail freight will still depend on oil, but a loco
    transporting 4000 tonnes of bananas from Qld is a far more fuel efficient
    option than 200 semis to transport same.

    And bring back train spur lines!

    Don't think that would be welcomed with open arms by public/private propetry owners.

    Hey, anything is possible in the future and come to think of it, our film industry did produce a movie that has possibly greatly influenced our collective consciousness - Mad Max.

    Now we don't *really* want that to come to pass, do we?
    😄 😄 😄 😄

  14. Ken Pisichko said:

    The most interesting thing they told me is that the car takes 22 litres of
    diesel and they go to Brandon and almost back on a fill (that is close to
    200 km each way (total of 400 km on just a bit more that 22 litres).

    That's about half the fuel consumption of a six cylinder Ford Falcon.
    It's predicted that global oil consumption (mostly for transportation)
    will almost double by 2025. Driving big energy efficent vehicles is only
    a stop gap measure at best.

    P

    --
    Peter McCallum
    Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

  15. Peter McCallum said:
    Ken Pisichko said:

    The most interesting thing they told me is that the car takes 22 litres of
    diesel and they go to Brandon and almost back on a fill (that is close to
    200 km each way (total of 400 km on just a bit more that 22 litres).

    That's about half the fuel consumption of a six cylinder Ford Falcon.
    It's predicted that global oil consumption (mostly for transportation)
    will almost double by 2025. Driving big energy efficent vehicles is only
    a stop gap measure at best.

    The S-C is VERY short. As i stated, in 2003 when i was in London you could see
    them parked "sideways" with the front facing outward onto the street and the
    back at the curb.

    I wonder if the 3 cylinder diesel can burn biodiesel or SVO (straight vegetable
    oil). If so, then any oil seed producing farmer would have enough "oil" to scoot
    about in one of these S-Cs.

    Me?? I will burn 1 lb of waist fat (about my middle) per 200 km when I bicycle
    along "the Savannah Way" this July-August from Cairns to Darwin....

    Not exactly "energy efficient". but then what is the alternative... death?

    Ken
    Winnipeg

  16. Trevor_S said:

    Then you should care, because prices of goods and services you do use will
    go up with increased transportation costs. The delivery costs to my
    business have gone up, to a point I will absorb the increases but soon I
    will have to increase my prices. This will be ubiqutious and insidious.

    I am in the same boat about not caring. So much of what is transported
    is non-essential [censored]. Apps if your business is built on that sort of
    stuff, but my "anti-consumerist" and preference for "locally built"
    attitude is firmly entrenched that I can only see good coming out of
    rising petrol prices.

    Of course, there is also the air quality issues that deeply affect me as
    well. So rising petrol prices leading to reduce use of cars is a good
    thing in my book.

    Now to hop on my 20year old POS bicycle and go up to the local shops
    for some milk {:-)

  17. On 2006-04-09, Terry Collins (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    I am in the same boat about not caring. So much of what is transported

    What was that article that said basically the quality of goods in this
    consumerist society of ours, are going to have to increase soon, as
    people are less prepared to pay for new items. Items will have to
    become repairable, instead of use once throwaway, again.

    I don't think it's all going to be doom and gloom.

    Quoted message said:

    is non-essential [censored]. Apps if your business is built on that sort of
    stuff, but my "anti-consumerist" and preference for "locally built"
    attitude is firmly entrenched that I can only see good coming out of
    rising petrol prices.

    Of course, there is also the air quality issues that deeply affect me as
    well. So rising petrol prices leading to reduce use of cars is a good
    thing in my book.

    A stop gap measure that *will* happen and soften the blow for most
    people, is to use more electricity in place of oil for the time being.
    The air *will* get worse (coal is *icky*), but will only affect the
    city when the wind is blowing from latrobe valley (in the case of
    melbourne; does the wind ever go in that direction?)

    --
    TimC
    Disclaimer: Contents of this email are to be considered secret. You must
    not read this email, and you must dispose of your computer immediately,
    should you receive this email accidentally. I cannot take responsibility
    for any incorrect information that this email may contain, especially the
    bit about the monkeys and John Howard. Should anyone say otherwise, they
    are obviously lying.

  18. Terry Collins said:
    Trevor_S said:

    Then you should care, because prices of goods and services you do use will
    go up with increased transportation costs. The delivery costs to my
    business have gone up, to a point I will absorb the increases but soon I
    will have to increase my prices. This will be ubiqutious and insidious.

    I am in the same boat about not caring. So much of what is transported
    is non-essential [censored]. Apps if your business is built on that sort of
    stuff, but my "anti-consumerist" and preference for "locally built"
    attitude is firmly entrenched that I can only see good coming out of
    rising petrol prices.

    Of course, there is also the air quality issues that deeply affect me as
    well. So rising petrol prices leading to reduce use of cars is a good
    thing in my book.

    Now to hop on my 20year old POS bicycle and go up to the local shops
    for some milk {:-)

    I agree.
    My "smugness" really stems from the fact that higher/jumps in oil prices
    seems to be the only way that people reassess the types of vehicles they
    own and the way they use them. I feel smug because I am now able to ride
    and am personally not paying as much in petrol. Although there is a flow
    on in terms of the prices of goods, the only one that I am concerned
    about is food - the only real essential.
    I still use the car as we are poorly serviced by public transport -
    another area that gets addressed when the price skyrockets.
    Speaking of which, it has been reported in Victoria that Privatising the
    public transport system has cost us over $1b more than if it had been
    kept public. Even Kennett, who did the dastardly deed is having 2nd
    thoughts..well after the fact.

  19. "Ken Pisichko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Peter McCallum said:
    Ken Pisichko said:

    The most interesting thing they told me is that the car takes 22 litres
    of
    diesel and they go to Brandon and almost back on a fill (that is close
    to
    200 km each way (total of 400 km on just a bit more that 22 litres).

    That's about half the fuel consumption of a six cylinder Ford Falcon.
    It's predicted that global oil consumption (mostly for transportation)
    will almost double by 2025. Driving big energy efficent vehicles is only
    a stop gap measure at best.

    The S-C is VERY short. As i stated, in 2003 when i was in London you could
    see
    them parked "sideways" with the front facing outward onto the street and
    the
    back at the curb.

    I wonder if the 3 cylinder diesel can burn biodiesel or SVO (straight
    vegetable
    oil). If so, then any oil seed producing farmer would have enough "oil" to
    scoot
    about in one of these S-Cs.

    Me?? I will burn 1 lb of waist fat (about my middle) per 200 km when I
    bicycle
    along "the Savannah Way" this July-August from Cairns to Darwin....

    Not exactly "energy efficient". but then what is the alternative...
    death?

    Ken
    Winnipeg

    I'd say that if you can get 100km on less than a third of a litre of
    unrefined animal fat then you're doing rather well.

  20. "Terry Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Trevor_S said:

    Then you should care, because prices of goods and services you do use
    will
    go up with increased transportation costs. The delivery costs to my
    business have gone up, to a point I will absorb the increases but soon I
    will have to increase my prices. This will be ubiqutious and insidious.

    I am in the same boat about not caring. So much of what is transported
    is non-essential [censored]. Apps if your business is built on that sort of
    stuff, but my "anti-consumerist" and preference for "locally built"
    attitude is firmly entrenched that I can only see good coming out of
    rising petrol prices.

    Of course, there is also the air quality issues that deeply affect me as
    well. So rising petrol prices leading to reduce use of cars is a good
    thing in my book.

    Now to hop on my 20year old POS bicycle and go up to the local shops
    for some milk {:-)

    Ah, but does your local shop have their own cow?

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