Persistent Calf Injury

Recurring calf injuries.............some people just shouldn't own cattle.

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[email hidden] (Lanceandrew) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Ask yourself the question...what makes the once passionate runner stop? at age 40?.....or
50?....or 60?....or 70?

Between age 40 and 50? The once passionate runners who were motivated by a still rising development
curve stop when they begin to stall or find that they cannot run the times they´d used to regard as
acceptable for serious runners. The ones who were motivated by being competitive in their age group
stop when they slow down a bit faster than others in their cohort. The ones who were motivated by
doing things and running races they hadn´t done before find they´ve seen it all and find running at
the same level duller every day stop because they find new green pastures.

For example.

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It's not that they want to stop running...it's just that age and their physical circumstances no
longer are capable of enduring the physical stress of the activity pain free.

There are those, too, of course - but IMHO they are in a clear minority of the drop-outs.

The cut-off point after which incurable physical problems - either age- or training-induced - are a
main cause is probably at or beyond the age of 55.

I´ll tell you when I get there:-)

Anders

"Anders Lustig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Between age 40 and 50? The once passionate runners who were motivated by a still rising
development curve stop when they begin to stall or find that they cannot run the times they´d used
to regard as acceptable for serious runners. The ones who were motivated by being competitive in
their age group stop when they slow down a bit faster than others in their cohort.

Yeah, one has to just change their goals a little. I have a friend who is 54, and he runs 5k in
about 17:10 - 17:20, which isn't really fast for someone in their 20's or 30's, but he wins his age
group all the time. What would happen if he slowed down a lot all of a sudden... would he still be
motivated to run?

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org

"Zola" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi everybody!

Hope somebody can give me some advice!

I was a reasonable club runner 15 years ago (I'm now just turned 41!) and after a lay-off (when I
did other sports- football/circuit training/squash etc) I have made several attempts to get back
into running on a non-competitive, own fitness basis.

My problem is a recurrent calf injury/muscle type strain which tends to manifest itself when I
have got through the initial new runner phase and I am just starting to stretch myself. It can be
in either calf muscle and is not always in the same place. I usually feel a sudden cramp which
comes on within a few strides and makes further jogging impossible.The only cure is

a

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complete layoff which plays havoc with any training schedule.

Keep an open mind about the cause. It could be the combination of running AND the usual method of
stretching.

If you stretch a muscle statically, you pull the tiny fibers to their limit and cause some trauma.
The colder the muscle, the stiffer the muscle from previous efforts, the closer in time to a recent
long run or race, the greater the need for flexibility AND the greater the likelihood of breaking
down the tissue. Combine a vigorous cold stretch with a long trail run in less supportive shoes to
really set yourself back. Once the tissue tears you get pains when starting every run.

So, your cure could be part of the problem. Some different approaches: get help on how to do
effective self massage of the calf; get help on how to relax into a stretch to avoid trauma, time
your stretching after easy runs, only, when the muscles are warm but not depleted; warm up very
gradually for each run especially in winter, perhaps do some spinning or walking; do not start a run
up or downhill. Allow full recovery before running long or hard.

Key words for relaxing into a stretch: PNF, CR--contract-release, CRAC-contract-release, antagonist-
contract. A yoga instructor or PT could demonstrate for different muscles. This is not BS, see:
"Stretching & Flexibility", Kip Laughlin, pbk, 1999. If you do not relax into a stretch, the
intrafusal fibers actually signal the nervous system to resist muscle elongation. Preceding a
stretch with isometric contraction of the muscle and using the antagonist to elongate it rather than
an external force are two ways to overcome the stretch reflex. The signal to relax a muscle comes
through a Golgi Tendon Organ which has that function. Certain elite athletes learn how to overcome
the reflex without any prior contraction.

Stretching just the calf could be part of the problem. Your overall muscle balance could put more of
the burden on the calf. Also check shoe support, running form, back, hip and thigh flexibilities.
One stretch to learn is the yoga asana: Downward Facing Dog, in which you can work the legs
individually. This asana involves the shoulders, back, hip, thigh, calf and foot, simultaneously.

Key massage words: trigger point, myofascial? release, ART--active release therapy?, deep tissue,
cross friction ..., Rolfing, (I have been learning to knead my own calves and have no firsthand
experience with massage services, though the reports have been encouraging.)

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I have also experienced the problem when I have been running quite well

over

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a period and I push myself particularly hard on say hill sprint work.Any ideas of the cause and
how to avoid it?

Cheers

"Zola" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Hi everybody!

Hope somebody can give me some advice!

I was a reasonable club runner 15 years ago (I'm now just turned 41!) and after a lay-off (when I
did other sports- football/circuit training/squash etc) I have made several attempts to get back
into running on a non-competitive, own fitness basis.

My problem is a recurrent calf injury/muscle type strain which tends to manifest itself when I
have got through the initial new runner phase and I am just starting to stretch myself. It can be
in either calf muscle and is not always in the same place. I usually feel a sudden cramp which
comes on within a few strides and makes further jogging impossible.The only cure is a complete
layoff which plays havoc with any training schedule.

I have also experienced the problem when I have been running quite well over a period and I push
myself particularly hard on say hill sprint work.Any ideas of the cause and how to avoid it?

Cheers

First a few questions:

(1) What is your general level of activity throughout the day? Do you have a desk job? If so, you
may need a greater than average warmup period. Desk jobs tend to lead to weekend-warrior types
of injuries, which this one could be. If your lifestyle outside of running is generally
sedentary, you need to pay particular attention to your warm up. A few minutes of walking
before starting to jog -- in addition to your normal warmup -- is probably in order.

(2) What is your running surface like? Shoes and running surfaces need to be appropriately matched.
If some of your running is on grass, be aware that this can be very demanding on your calves.

(3) How much training did you do before starting in on the speed work? You may be incorporating
speed work into your workouts before your body is fully acclimated to running. At 41, I would
say 3 to 4 months of conditioning before starting to work on speed.

(4) Are you getting enough rest and sleep? This sounds like an overuse injury, but strenuous
muscular exertion when your muscles are fatigued can lead to similar types of injuries,
especially the cramping part. Never do a hard workout when your muscles are fatigued. The part
that most runners hear about is the hard-easy principle, but the other part is that going short
on sleep can be just as debilitatiing to muscles as strenuous exercise.

Good luck. Let us know what works for you!