Perhaps she should have worn a helmet

[Peter Clinch]

Roger Thorpe wrote:

> There's a forum called Talkawhile if you want to find out more. They
> seem to be a nice bunch there, although John Martyn seemed to polarise
> opinion.

IME usually between people who've seen him live when he was too smashed
to tell up from down, and people who've seen him live when he was firing
on all cylinders. Not seen him live so only have the records to judge
him by, and anyone who doesn't love Solid Air probably doesn't have
working ears.

Pete.
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[Roger Thorpe]

JNugent wrote:

> Jim Harvest wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive:Sir Jeremy wrote:
>>
>>>> Which is why I'm sure he won't mind me saying tat I'll carry on wearing
>>>> mine, although the story reminded me how much I wish Sandy Denny were
>>>> still alive. And that thought normally comes to me on an August
>>>> weekend....
>>>>
>>>> Roger Thorpe- Hide quoted text -
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>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> who knows where the time goes?
>>
>>
>> No more sad refrains.
>
>
> Thackray?
Well no, but if you mean Jake then thanks for reminding me of him. I can
remember that voice so clearly. Something about a bantam ****? I,ll go
off to look for a CD to order or download.
Roger Thorpe

 

[JNugent]

Roger Thorpe wrote:
> JNugent wrote:
>
>> Jim Harvest wrote:
>>
>>> x-no-archive:Sir Jeremy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Which is why I'm sure he won't mind me saying tat I'll carry on
>>>>> wearing
>>>>> mine, although the story reminded me how much I wish Sandy Denny were
>>>>> still alive. And that thought normally comes to me on an August
>>>>> weekend....
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Thorpe- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> who knows where the time goes?
>>>
>>>
>>> No more sad refrains.
>>
>>
>> Thackray?
> Well no, but if you mean Jake then thanks for reminding me of him. I can
> remember that voice so clearly. Something about a bantam ****? I,ll go
> off to look for a CD to order or download.
> Roger Thorpe

There's very nice 97 track EMI box set at a good price (released due to
pressure from Jake's fans). About £24.

<http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jake-Box-EMI-Recordings-1967-1976/dp/B000F0UVC2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1203068737&sr=8-2>

I saw him perform once; he could hold an audience in the palm of his hand.

 

[Roger Thorpe]

JNugent wrote:
> Roger Thorpe wrote:
>
>> JNugent wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Harvest wrote:
>>>
>>>> x-no-archive:Sir Jeremy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Which is why I'm sure he won't mind me saying tat I'll carry on
>>>>>> wearing
>>>>>> mine, although the story reminded me how much I wish Sandy Denny were
>>>>>> still alive. And that thought normally comes to me on an August
>>>>>> weekend....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Thorpe- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> who knows where the time goes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No more sad refrains.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thackray?
>>
>> Well no, but if you mean Jake then thanks for reminding me of him. I
>> can remember that voice so clearly. Something about a bantam ****?
>> I,ll go off to look for a CD to order or download.
>> Roger Thorpe
>
>
> There's very nice 97 track EMI box set at a good price (released due to
> pressure from Jake's fans). About £24.
>
> <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jake-Box-EMI-Recordings-1967-1976/dp/B000F0UVC2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1203068737&sr=8-2>
>
>
> I saw him perform once; he could hold an audience in the palm of his hand.
>
>
>
>
Thanks for that.
Roger Thorpe

 

[Roger Thorpe]

Peter Clinch wrote:

> Roger Thorpe wrote:
>
>
>>There's a forum called Talkawhile if you want to find out more. They
>>seem to be a nice bunch there, although John Martyn seemed to polarise
>>opinion.
>
>
> IME usually between people who've seen him live when he was too smashed
> to tell up from down, and people who've seen him live when he was firing
> on all cylinders. Not seen him live so only have the records to judge
> him by, and anyone who doesn't love Solid Air probably doesn't have
> working ears.
>
> Pete.

It's difficult to tell what went on when he played at Cropredy, I think
that there may have been a problem with the sound and those of us at the
front heard a lot more than the others. I just can't be objective about
it. When he played 'John Wayne', which I had never heard before I was
stunned. There's some you-tube of it around.
On the other hand I was a bit disappointed by the last tour, although
the problem may have been that his support (John Smith) was just too good!
Roger Thorpe

 

[PoB]

"Roger Thorpe" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
| There's a forum called Talkawhile if you want to find out more. They
| seem to be a nice bunch there, although John Martyn seemed to polarise
| opinion.

Like his music, can't stand the guy.....mainly because he tried to clobber
me* when I was working in a Fringe venue in Edinburgh in the 80s....

pOB

*Fortunately (for me) he missed - I think he had a problem working out which
one of me to clobber and went for the wrong one...

 

[Rob Morley]

In article <[email protected]>, Peter Clinch
[email protected] says...
> Roger Thorpe wrote:
>
> > There's a forum called Talkawhile if you want to find out more. They
> > seem to be a nice bunch there, although John Martyn seemed to polarise
> > opinion.
>
> IME usually between people who've seen him live when he was too smashed
> to tell up from down, and people who've seen him live when he was firing
> on all cylinders. Not seen him live so only have the records to judge
> him by, and anyone who doesn't love Solid Air probably doesn't have
> working ears.
>
I saw him somewhere[1] many years ago, he was smashed and he was still
great.

[1] It was definitely in a field, but whether it was Somerset or
Wiltshire or somewhere else I have no clear recollection.

 

[Jim Harvest]

x-no-archive:Roger Thorpe wrote:
> Jim Harvest wrote:
>
>>
>> Do you mean Cropredy? Is it still thriving?



> Yes I do, and thriving it is.

Many thanks for the update. By coincidence I was playing Liege and Lief
today. I am a handful of years behind the news, last saw them at the
Anvil, Basingstoke.
I've never been to Cropredy, but its on my list as something to do
before I die. (Or something to do before they die).



Last year sold out in advance, it was the
> band's 40th anniversary. ) It's looked pretty full each time I've been
> there (only since 2000, so I'm a newcomer). The surviving members of the
> "Leige and Leif"

Are they all still with us (other than Sandy Denny)?


l
> Just in case you missed some other good news, Swarb has had a lung
> transplant and is now up and running, his band is called..... Lazarus!

Yes, this I had missed. Reports of his demise in the Daily Telegraph had
certainly been exagerrated. Its very good news.

> There's a forum called Talkawhile if you want to find out more. They
> seem to be a nice bunch there, although John Martyn seemed to polarise
> opinion.
>

Thnks for that, I'll pay it a visit.

 

[Peter Narramore]

"David Hansen" <[email protected]> wrote
<snip>
> In normal circumstances I would be entirely indifferent about
> whether people want to wear a silly bit of plastic on their heads
> when cycling or not.

It seems a bit childish to call a helmet 'a silly bit of plastic'. I admit
that there are many types of cycling mishap where a helmet isn't going to
reduce your injuries but, 'silly'? Not really. I fully support your
pro-choice argument, but denigrating helmets as 'silly' seems to distract
from the other, quite valid points I think you're trying to make.

I started wearing a helmet about 12 years ago. At that point my kids were
becoming old enough to go off by themselves on bikes. I insisted on them
wearing helmets whenever they went cycling and it seemed hypocritical to
demand that and not wear one myself.

And that's why I was wearing a helment when I rode head-first into a
barrier, in the dark, back in January. The spinal consultant told me that
had I not been wearing a helmet I'd have been at least paralysed and quite
possibly killed. And before you jump in with a comment about whether he's
qualified to judge helmet effectiveness I should point out that he's seen a
lot of head injuries and usually enquires about the circumstances.

And, given the injuries I *did* sustain, I fully believe his assessment.

> I am pro-choice and it is up to them.

The kids are now big teenagers and I let them decide whether they wear
helmets or not. Usually they don't. That's their decision and
interestingly it doesn't seem to have been influenced by my mishap.

> Of course if someone wants to wear a silly bit of plastic on their
> head then it is best if they adjusted it so that it stood some
> change of doing something. To this end I occasionally spend some
> time adjusting cycle helmets for people.

I'm sure that those people appreciate your help.

- Peter

(ps no further follow-up from me for a week or two as I'm back into hospital
tomorrow for spinal surgery)

 

[Ian Smith]

On Sat, 16 Feb, Peter Narramore <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> It seems a bit childish to call a helmet 'a silly bit of plastic'.

It is silly to depend upon a bit of plastic for cycling and not for
equally dangerous activities (like walking).

> And before you jump in with a comment about whether he's qualified
> to judge helmet effectiveness I should point out that he's seen a
> lot of head injuries and usually enquires about the circumstances.

Oh yes. And I'd take advanced driving tuition from a panel-beater -
after all, he sees a lot of crash damage, so he must know how to avoid
it.

regards, Ian SMith
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[Simon Brooke]

Peter Narramore wrote:

> "David Hansen" <[email protected]> wrote
> <snip>
>> In normal circumstances I would be entirely indifferent about
>> whether people want to wear a silly bit of plastic on their heads
>> when cycling or not.
>
> It seems a bit childish to call a helmet 'a silly bit of plastic'. I
> admit that there are many types of cycling mishap where a helmet isn't
> going to
> reduce your injuries but, 'silly'? Not really. I fully support your
> pro-choice argument, but denigrating helmets as 'silly' seems to distract
> from the other, quite valid points I think you're trying to make.
>
> I started wearing a helmet about 12 years ago. At that point my kids were
> becoming old enough to go off by themselves on bikes. I insisted on them
> wearing helmets whenever they went cycling and it seemed hypocritical to
> demand that and not wear one myself.
>
> And that's why I was wearing a helment when I rode head-first into a
> barrier, in the dark, back in January. The spinal consultant told me that
> had I not been wearing a helmet I'd have been at least paralysed and quite
> possibly killed. And before you jump in with a comment about whether he's
> qualified to judge helmet effectiveness I should point out that he's seen
> a lot of head injuries and usually enquires about the circumstances.

I trust you're aware of the statistics? *If* that is true (and it may be)
there is slightly more than one other person who is now dead who would not
be dead if they hadn't been wearing a helmet. Since helmets make a slightly
negative effect on overall fatalities, it's an inevitable consequence that
they must, overall, kill slightly more people than they save.

That doesn't of course, prove that yours didn't save your life. On this
occasion, it may have. But that is not a good reason for wearing one,
because in your next accident...

Oh, and, when I broke my back in a cycling accident, I was wearing a cotton
cap. I can't say for certain whether it saved my life; but I'm fine now.

--
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;; First they came for the asylum seekers,
;; and I did not speak out because I was not an asylum seeker.
;; Then they came for the gypsies,
;; and I did not speak out because I was not a gypsy...
;; Pastor Martin Niemöller, translated by Michael Howard.

 

[David Damerell]

Quoting Peter Narramore <[email protected]>:
>And that's why I was wearing a helment when I rode head-first into a
>barrier, in the dark, back in January. The spinal consultant told me that
>had I not been wearing a helmet I'd have been at least paralysed and quite
>possibly killed.

Woohoo! A saved-my-life anecdote. But, given that one in ten [1] plastic
hat fans have one and only one in every few thousand cyclists can expect
to be killed cycling, let alone killed of head injuries not accompanied by
other mortal injuries, it's fairly clear that essentially all such
anecdotes are false.

[1] this figure is MADE UP but it can't be too far off the mark.
--
David Damerell <[email protected]> flcl?
Today is Second Thursday, February.

 

[Roger Thorpe]

Jim Harvest wrote:

>
> Are they all still with us (other than Sandy Denny)?
>
There are so many ex-fairports that it's difficult to say, but Martin
Lamble(the first drummer) and Jeannie Franklyn (Thompo's girlfriend)
died in that motorway accident before they got together and recorded
Liege and Leif.
Trevor Lucas died in 1989. The rest carry on with varying degees of
hair loss.
Roger Thorpe

 

[Roger Thorpe]

Roger Thorpe wrote:

>Martin Lamble(the first drummer) and Jeannie Franklyn (Thompo's girlfriend)
> died in that motorway accident before they got together and recorded
> Liege and Leif.
Very poorly phrased, but you know what I meant!

 

[Alan Braggins]

In article <nkt*[email protected]>, David Damerell wrote:
>
>Woohoo! A saved-my-life anecdote. But, given that one in ten [1] plastic
>hat fans have one
[...]
>[1] this figure is MADE UP but it can't be too far off the mark.

Probably depends how you define fan. For people who post how great hats
are on Usenet, it may well be low. For people who take it for granted that
they are useful things but have no particular reason to post about them,
it's more likely to be too high.

 

[Jim Harvest]

x-no-archive:Roger Thorpe wrote:
> Jim Harvest wrote:
>
>>
>> Are they all still with us (other than Sandy Denny)?
>>
> There are so many ex-fairports that it's difficult to say, but Martin
> Lamble(the first drummer) and Jeannie Franklyn (Thompo's girlfriend)
> died in that motorway accident before they got together and recorded
> Liege and Leif.
> Trevor Lucas died in 1989. The rest carry on with varying degees of
> hair loss.
> Roger Thorpe

Yes, of course, I'd forgotten about the accident.

 

[JNugent]

David Damerell wrote:

> Quoting Peter Narramore <[email protected]>:

>> And that's why I was wearing a helment when I rode head-first into a
>> barrier, in the dark, back in January. The spinal consultant told me that
>> had I not been wearing a helmet I'd have been at least paralysed and quite
>> possibly killed.

> Woohoo! A saved-my-life anecdote. But, given that one in ten [1] plastic
> hat fans have one and only one in every few thousand cyclists can expect
> to be killed cycling, let alone killed of head injuries not accompanied by
> other mortal injuries, it's fairly clear that essentially all such
> anecdotes are false.

Does "essentially all" mean "all", "nearly all" or "any that I don't
want to agree with"?

What reason do you have to disbelieve the PP?