Performance-unenhancing methods?

MMan said:

Hmmm. Do any riders smoke? Do they suddenly take up smoking after
retiring? Did Rossner smoke during her career or suddenly take up
smoking at the age of, what?, 37 after retiring?

She did not suddenly take up smoking. Plenty of riders smoke during
their active careers. Maybe not two packs a day, but they certainly
light up from time to time.

Jeff

Jeff Jones said:

MMan said:

Hmmm. Do any riders smoke? Do they suddenly take up smoking after
retiring? Did Rossner smoke during her career or suddenly take up
smoking at the age of, what?, 37 after retiring?

She did not suddenly take up smoking. Plenty of riders smoke during
their active careers. Maybe not two packs a day, but they certainly
light up from time to time.

Jeff

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MMan said:

Found this 2005 story from Philly on Bobke's site:

http://www.bobkestrut.com/2005/06/09/tales-from-uspro/

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My name is Petra, and I like to smoke. While I was hanging around the Wyndham lobby a >bit on Friday night, I spied a woman who looked somewhat familiar decked out in Euro team >casual wear. It's not too unusual to see riders having a beer (or two) in the lobby bar, but >this woman proceeded to smoke up a storm. I figured she must have been a soigneur or >support staff and thought nothing more of it. Then, at the post-race party Sunday night, I >see the same woman smoking in the company of Judith Arndt and it dawns on me that >she's indeed Petra Rossner. I wonder how many ex-pros start smoking once their stint as a >rider is through, and is it more of a European phenomenon? It always seemed to me that
(stereotypically) American riders were totally consumed by the cycling lifestyle and would >proceed to live cleanly once their racing days were over, but the Euro riders treated the >sport as simply a job, a means to garner fame and money instead of driving a truck. Once >their days were numbered in the peloton, then it was time to put on some pudge, drink and >smoke some, and for many never ride a bike again. Just my impression

Hmmm. Do any riders smoke? Do they suddenly take up smoking after
retiring? Did Rossner smoke during her career or suddenly take up
smoking at the age of, what?, 37 after retiring?

(Trying to imagine a directuer sportif saying "smoke 'em if you got
'em!"😉

Sigh. Smoking, much like doping in cycling, has not always been universally
reviled as a sign of mental and moral deformity. Lots of rather decent, normal,
healthy and productive people smoke. They've been with us for hundreds of years
and will be with us in the future. FDR smoked, [censored] tried to ban it. Einstein
smoked.

It has been very common for retired riders to take up smoking and many have
smoked while racing. There are plenty of old photo's of riders passing a cig
around the peloton.

I had to quit to ride. Being the nicotine junky that I am, I cannot simply smoke
one or two a day without jonesing so I don't smoke cigs at all. I will have an
occasional cigar with friends, it doesn't feed the monkey.

Ron

RonSonic said:

Quoted message said:

Hmmm. Do any riders smoke? Do they suddenly take up smoking after
retiring? Did Rossner smoke during her career or suddenly take up
smoking at the age of, what?, 37 after retiring?

(Trying to imagine a directuer sportif saying "smoke 'em if you got
'em!"😉

Sigh. Smoking, much like doping in cycling, has not always been universally
reviled as a sign of mental and moral deformity. Lots of rather decent, normal,
healthy and productive people smoke. They've been with us for hundreds of years
and will be with us in the future. FDR smoked, [censored] tried to ban it. Einstein
smoked.

Double sigh. I know. I just figured a world-class athlete born well
after the deaths of
FDR, Einstein and [censored] wouldn't even be tempted.

Alas.

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Quoted message said:

Found this 2005 story from Philly on Bobke's site:

http://www.bobkestrut.com/2005/06/09/tales-from-uspro/

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My name is Petra, and I like to smoke. While I was hanging around the

Wyndham lobby a >bit on Friday night, I spied a woman who looked somewhat
familiar decked out in Euro team >casual wear. It's not too unusual to see
riders having a beer (or two) in the lobby bar, but >this woman proceeded to
smoke up a storm. I figured she must have been a soigneur or >support staff
and thought nothing more of it. Then, at the post-race party Sunday night, I

Quoted message said:

see the same woman smoking in the company of Judith Arndt and it dawns on

me that >she's indeed Petra Rossner. I wonder how many ex-pros start smoking
once their stint as a >rider is through, and is it more of a European
phenomenon? It always seemed to me that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(stereotypically) American riders were totally consumed by the cycling

lifestyle and would >proceed to live cleanly once their racing days were
over, but the Euro riders treated the >sport as simply a job, a means to
garner fame and money instead of driving a truck. Once >their days were
numbered in the peloton, then it was time to put on some pudge, drink and

Quoted message said:

smoke some, and for many never ride a bike again. Just my impression

Hmmm. Do any riders smoke? Do they suddenly take up smoking after
retiring? Did Rossner smoke during her career or suddenly take up
smoking at the age of, what?, 37 after retiring?

(Trying to imagine a directuer sportif saying "smoke 'em if you got
'em!"😉

I smoke; usually when I'm doing intervals. I find the cigarettes numb the
pain in my legs. The carbon monoxide and other poisonous gases make me feel
strong. By limiting oxygen, they help my body create even more lactic acid
thereby training my body to buffer it even better. It simulates high
altitude. This is how the French riders train, except they eat more artery
clogging cheeses.

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Quoted message said:

Found this 2005 story from Philly on Bobke's site:

http://www.bobkestrut.com/2005/06/09/tales-from-uspro/

Quoted message said:

My name is Petra, and I like to smoke. While I was hanging around the
Wyndham lobby a >bit on Friday night, I spied a woman who looked somewhat
familiar decked out in Euro team >casual wear. It's not too unusual to see
riders having a beer (or two) in the lobby bar, but >this woman proceeded
to smoke up a storm. I figured she must have been a soigneur or >support
staff and thought nothing more of it. Then, at the post-race party Sunday
night, I >see the same woman smoking in the company of Judith Arndt and it
dawns on me that >she's indeed Petra Rossner. I wonder how many ex-pros
start smoking once their stint as a >rider is through, and is it more of a
European phenomenon? It always seemed to me that
(stereotypically) American riders were totally consumed by the cycling
lifestyle and would >proceed to live cleanly once their racing days were
over, but the Euro riders treated the >sport as simply a job, a means to
garner fame and money instead of driving a truck. Once >their days were
numbered in the peloton, then it was time to put on some pudge, drink and

Quoted message said:

smoke some, and for many never ride a bike again. Just my impression

Hmmm. Do any riders smoke? Do they suddenly take up smoking after
retiring? Did Rossner smoke during her career or suddenly take up
smoking at the age of, what?, 37 after retiring?

The most famous smoker among riders was Gino Bartali. His soigneur tried to
keep him from it and even searched his luggage, so Bartali made his
domestiques hide cigarets in their soapboxes. On the other hand, he took the
Tour of 1948 so seriously, that the day before he gave his whole supply to
team manager Binda, who gave him everday one sigarette in the morning -
Bartali pretended to need one to stimulate his slow heart beat (33) - and
two in the evening. But when Bartali had won a stage, Binda gave him an
extra cigaret. Which means that from the start to the finish in Paris
Bartali smoked 82 cigarets, which isn't that much. José-Manuel Fuente
probably smoked much more: from time to time he even smoked during the race
.....

Benjo

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benjo maso said:

"MMan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Found this 2005 story from Philly on Bobke's site:

http://www.bobkestrut.com/2005/06/09/tales-from-uspro/

Quoted message said:

My name is Petra, and I like to smoke. While I was hanging around the
Wyndham lobby a >bit on Friday night, I spied a woman who looked somewhat
familiar decked out in Euro team >casual wear. It's not too unusual to see
riders having a beer (or two) in the lobby bar, but >this woman proceeded
to smoke up a storm. I figured she must have been a soigneur or >support
staff and thought nothing more of it. Then, at the post-race party Sunday
night, I >see the same woman smoking in the company of Judith Arndt and it
dawns on me that >she's indeed Petra Rossner. I wonder how many ex-pros
start smoking once their stint as a >rider is through, and is it more of a
European phenomenon? It always seemed to me that
(stereotypically) American riders were totally consumed by the cycling
lifestyle and would >proceed to live cleanly once their racing days were
over, but the Euro riders treated the >sport as simply a job, a means to
garner fame and money instead of driving a truck. Once >their days were
numbered in the peloton, then it was time to put on some pudge, drink and
>smoke some, and for many never ride a bike again. Just my impression

Hmmm. Do any riders smoke? Do they suddenly take up smoking after
retiring? Did Rossner smoke during her career or suddenly take up
smoking at the age of, what?, 37 after retiring?

The most famous smoker among riders was Gino Bartali. His soigneur tried to
keep him from it and even searched his luggage, so Bartali made his
domestiques hide cigarets in their soapboxes. On the other hand, he took the
Tour of 1948 so seriously, that the day before he gave his whole supply to
team manager Binda, who gave him everday one sigarette in the morning -
Bartali pretended to need one to stimulate his slow heart beat (33) - and
two in the evening. But when Bartali had won a stage, Binda gave him an
extra cigaret. Which means that from the start to the finish in Paris
Bartali smoked 82 cigarets, which isn't that much. José-Manuel Fuente
probably smoked much more: from time to time he even smoked during the race

`Good dog. Here's your bicky.'

--
Michael Press

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:43:08 GMT, "coldbeer!, get your coldbeer!" <[email hidden]>

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"MMan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Found this 2005 story from Philly on Bobke's site:

http://www.bobkestrut.com/2005/06/09/tales-from-uspro/

Quoted message said:

My name is Petra, and I like to smoke. While I was hanging around the

Wyndham lobby a >bit on Friday night, I spied a woman who looked somewhat
familiar decked out in Euro team >casual wear. It's not too unusual to see
riders having a beer (or two) in the lobby bar, but >this woman proceeded to
smoke up a storm. I figured she must have been a soigneur or >support staff
and thought nothing more of it. Then, at the post-race party Sunday night, I

Quoted message said:

see the same woman smoking in the company of Judith Arndt and it dawns on

me that >she's indeed Petra Rossner. I wonder how many ex-pros start smoking
once their stint as a >rider is through, and is it more of a European
phenomenon? It always seemed to me that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(stereotypically) American riders were totally consumed by the cycling

lifestyle and would >proceed to live cleanly once their racing days were
over, but the Euro riders treated the >sport as simply a job, a means to
garner fame and money instead of driving a truck. Once >their days were
numbered in the peloton, then it was time to put on some pudge, drink and

Quoted message said:

smoke some, and for many never ride a bike again. Just my impression

Hmmm. Do any riders smoke? Do they suddenly take up smoking after
retiring? Did Rossner smoke during her career or suddenly take up
smoking at the age of, what?, 37 after retiring?

(Trying to imagine a directuer sportif saying "smoke 'em if you got
'em!"😉

I smoke; usually when I'm doing intervals. I find the cigarettes numb the
pain in my legs. The carbon monoxide and other poisonous gases make me feel
strong. By limiting oxygen, they help my body create even more lactic acid
thereby training my body to buffer it even better. It simulates high
altitude. This is how the French riders train, except they eat more artery
clogging cheeses.

Smoking does boost hematocrit levels pretty nicely.

Ron

MMan said:

Found this 2005 story from Philly on Bobke's site:

http://www.bobkestrut.com/2005/06/09/tales-from-uspro/

Quoted message said:

My name is Petra, and I like to smoke. While I was hanging around the Wyndham lobby a >bit on Friday night, I spied a woman who looked somewhat familiar decked out in Euro team >casual wear. It's not too unusual to see riders having a beer (or two) in the lobby bar, but >this woman proceeded to smoke up a storm. I figured she must have been a soigneur or >support staff and thought nothing more of it. Then, at the post-race party Sunday night, I >see the same woman smoking in the company of Judith Arndt and it dawns on me that >she's indeed Petra Rossner. I wonder how many ex-pros start smoking once their stint as a >rider is through, and is it more of a European phenomenon? It always seemed to me that
(stereotypically) American riders were totally consumed by the cycling lifestyle and would >proceed to live cleanly once their racing days were over, but the Euro riders treated the >sport as simply a job, a means to garner fame and money instead of driving a truck. Once >their days were numbered in the peloton, then it was time to put on some pudge, drink and >smoke some, and for many never ride a bike again. Just my impression

Hmmm. Do any riders smoke? Do they suddenly take up smoking after
retiring? Did Rossner smoke during her career or suddenly take up

Seems like I read somewhere that Jaques Anquietele (sp?) smoked during
his racing career. He was also a famous partier and rode many races
with a huge hangover.

Smokey

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smoking at the age of, what?, 37 after retiring?

(Trying to imagine a directuer sportif saying "smoke 'em if you got
'em!"😉