Performance Bicycle SUX?

Jay <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Quoted message said:

I can definitely say that this is the case for me at my local shop. The owner knows I have very
few bucks to spend- so I very frequently get freebies( cables, a few repairs, etc) and always
15-25% off and sometimes more.

Due to some connections, I get the inside honest scoop on some products

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Dear Jay,

Are you saying that your local bicycle shop owner gives his other customers something different than
the "inside honest scoop" and charges them more for it?

Somehow, I doubt that Sheldon Brown, Peter Chisholm, and Andrew Muzi run their shops this way.

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can definitely say that this is the case for me at my local shop. The owner knows I have very
few bucks to spend- so I very frequently get freebies( cables, a few repairs, etc) and always
15-25% off and sometimes more.

Due to some connections, I get the inside honest scoop on some products

[snip] Carl Fogel at [email hidden] wrote on 12/7/03 9:31 PM: Are you saying that your
local bicycle shop owner gives his other customers something different than the "inside honest
scoop" and charges them more for it?

Somehow, I doubt that Sheldon Brown, Peter Chisholm, and Andrew Muzi run their shops this way.

You snipped the hell out of my posting. Therefore the context is all messed up.

What I was conveying is that with *my* connections to designers, manufacturers and cycling
organisations- I get the scoop on some info that I pass on to this bike store owner. I was not in
any way commenting on this or any other bike store owners' honesty.

(Carl Fogel) said:

Quoted message said:

Due to some connections, I get the inside honest scoop on some products

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Dear Jay,

Are you saying that your local bicycle shop owner gives his other customers something different
than the "inside honest scoop" and charges them more for it?

He said that he GAVE this inside scoop to the LBS staff.

I suspect he's sort of a legend in his own mind. I also suspect that the staff laughs their asses
off at him after he leaves.

Jay <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can definitely say that this is the case for me at my local shop. The owner knows I have very
few bucks to spend- so I very frequently get freebies( cables, a few repairs, etc) and always
15-25% off and sometimes more.

Due to some connections, I get the inside honest scoop on some products

[snip] Carl Fogel at [email hidden] wrote on 12/7/03 9:31 PM: Are you saying that your
local bicycle shop owner gives his other customers something different than the "inside honest
scoop" and charges them more for it?

Somehow, I doubt that Sheldon Brown, Peter Chisholm, and Andrew Muzi run their shops this way.

You snipped the hell out of my posting. Therefore the context is all messed up.

What I was conveying is that with *my* connections to designers, manufacturers and cycling
organisations- I get the scoop on some info that I pass on to this bike store owner. I was not in
any way commenting on this or any other bike store owners' honesty.

Dear Jay,

I apologize.

I read and included your post as far as I quoted you, but failed to pay attention to what followed.

I now see that you did not mean that your local bicycle shop gives you "the honest inside scoop"
(implying that they give something else to other customers), but rather that you give the "honest
inside scoop" to your local bike shop.

To make sure that my mistake is clear, here's your complete post with a bracketed explanation where
I failed to follow what you were saying:

Quoted message said:

I can definitely say that this is the case for me at my local shop. The owner knows I have very
few bucks to spend- so I very frequently get freebies( cables, a few repairs, etc) and always
15-25% off and sometimes more.

[The "connections" that follow are NOT between Jay and his local bicycle shop owner--C.F.]

Quoted message said:

Due to some connections, I get the inside honest scoop on some products, and help set up events
for various cycling organisations. Last Thursday as I was passing by and business was slow- gave
him the quick run-down on some new innovations on manufacturing and design, as well as a very
honest review of a product I am beta-testing for a manufacturer- that he is considering being a
dealer for next spring. I also gave him the inside edge to new cycling events calendars (
promotion).

I appreciate how nicely you replied. I should have read your post more carefully instead of leaping
to an ill-natured conclusion.

Sorry,

Carl Fogel

in article [email hidden], Carl Fogel at [email hidden]
wrote on 12/8/03 2:34 AM:

Quoted message said:

Jay <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I can definitely say that this is the case for me at my local shop. The owner knows I have very
> few bucks to spend- so I very frequently get freebies( cables, a few repairs, etc) and always
> 15-25% off and sometimes more.
>
> Due to some connections, I get the inside honest scoop on some products

[snip] Carl Fogel at [email hidden] wrote on 12/7/03 9:31 PM: Are you saying that your
local bicycle shop owner gives his other customers something different than the "inside honest
scoop" and charges them more for it?

Somehow, I doubt that Sheldon Brown, Peter Chisholm, and Andrew Muzi run their shops this way.

You snipped the hell out of my posting. Therefore the context is all messed up.

What I was conveying is that with *my* connections to designers, manufacturers and cycling
organisations- I get the scoop on some info that I pass on to this bike store owner. I was not in
any way commenting on this or any other bike store owners' honesty.

Dear Jay,

I apologize.

I read and included your post as far as I quoted you, but failed to pay attention to what
followed.

I now see that you did not mean that your local bicycle shop gives you "the honest inside scoop"
(implying that they give something else to other customers), but rather that you give the "honest
inside scoop" to your local bike shop.

To make sure that my mistake is clear, here's your complete post with a bracketed explanation
where I failed to follow what you were saying:

Quoted message said:

I can definitely say that this is the case for me at my local shop. The owner knows I have very
few bucks to spend- so I very frequently get freebies( cables, a few repairs, etc) and always
15-25% off and sometimes more.

[The "connections" that follow are NOT between Jay and his local bicycle shop owner--C.F.]

Quoted message said:

Due to some connections, I get the inside honest scoop on some products, and help set up events
for various cycling organisations. Last Thursday as I was passing by and business was slow- gave
him the quick run-down on some new innovations on manufacturing and design, as well as a very
honest review of a product I am beta-testing for a manufacturer- that he is considering being a
dealer for next spring. I also gave him the inside edge to new cycling events calendars (
promotion).

I appreciate how nicely you replied. I should have read your post more carefully instead of
leaping to an ill-natured conclusion.

Sorry,

Carl Fogel

Thank you for taking the time to write such a note. As you can tell- often the impersonality of the
internet leads to people escalating such interactions. It is reassuring that people such as yourself
would take the time to write such a note. Perhaps next time you are in doubt- ( maybe my wording was
not very precise the first posting)- you could write something like " you seem to be saying

Once again, this post implies a level of class and maturity that I am glad to make your
acquaintance.

"Jay" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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in article [email hidden], Carl Fogel at [email hidden]
wrote on 12/8/03 2:34 AM:

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Dear Jay,

I apologize. {reasons snipped}

Quoted message said:

Once again, this post implies a level of class and maturity

Yes...and we'll have NO MORE OF THAT around here!!!

Bill "I'm watching you, Fogel" S.