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  1. <copied from his forum www.bodyrecomposition.com without permission, but I
    wrote it, so, screw 'em!>

    To recap, Part 1 recounted my one month drop from 250s/30% body fat to the
    220s/20% BF. Part 2 described the extraordinary improvement in vital signs
    and blood lipid values.

    It's now been two months. I'm down to about 210 pounds and 17% body fat. The
    rate of weight loss has slowed, as expected, since my maintenance caloric
    requirement is much less at over 40 pounds lighter. To keep the same weight
    loss rate, I'd have to eat less or exercise more. Eating less would affect
    the protein sparing aspect of the Lyle McDonald Modified Protein Sparing
    Modified Fast (LMMPSMF). I don't have the time or desire to increase
    exercise right now.

    As a side note, I HIGHLY recommend mountain hiking on a diet. Las Vegas is
    at about 2000 feet elevation. The trails in the nearby mountains range from
    9000-12000 feet. This high altitude hiking burns glycogen after a carb load
    FAST, and the improvement in cardiovascular conditioning has been
    remarkable. Peaks or destinations that used to take a full day slog, often
    failing to get there, now take 45 minutes or so. Just amazing 🙂

    As I understand it, the LMMPSMF has two goals: 1) lose a lot of fat fast
    while 2) maintaining muscle mass. My extremely accurate digital scale, and
    my fairly accurate calipers (I've been doing caliper measurements for many
    years, and my inexpensive Slim Guides have a reputation for accuracy),
    indicate that, so far, through my large loss of weight over two months, my
    lean body mass (LBM) has remained at about 175 pounds...no loss of muscle
    mass. So, the diet has met both goals.

    A word about 5 hour carb loads. I keep very close track of weight and body
    fat, and plot them on a graph. I have done carb loads only when the rate of
    weight loss begins to plateau. The first month I didn't do any. I've done
    three of them during the second month.

    The first was ineffective. Looking back, it's obvious that I was
    psychologically inhibited from eating enough. Didn't want to screw up the
    diet, even though I knew I wasn't going to. I gained only one pound the
    morning after the carb load. I'm 6'1" and lean at 200 pounds, so, I have a
    fairly above average amount of muscle mass, with corresponding glycogen
    storage capacity, so one pound gain was clearly not a full glycogen reload.
    And, as expected, my rate of weight loss did not improve.

    The second carb load included 15 Promax bars, a pound of cheese crackers, a
    half pound of cheese-covered popcorn, and 2 quarts of Gatorade. I gained 4
    pounds the next morning, burnt it off in a day, and my rate of weight loss
    improved.

    This past weekend's 5 hour carb load included a large box of Captain Crunch,
    2 large cans of fruit cocktail, 8 corn dogs, 2 pounds of cheese crackers, 2
    quarts of Gatorade, and whatever other food failed to find a safe hiding
    spot. I gained 11 pounds by the next morning, but was able to burn it off in
    2 days, so, it was virtually all gylcogen and water. Now THAT is an
    effective carb up! And my rate of weight loss has improved, again. So, my
    advice for carb loads: EAT A LOT OF CARBS!! LOTS!!!

    Finally, though I, fairly, I believe, refer to it as the Lyle McDonald
    Modified PSMF, I include thanks to those who contributed to the concepts
    involved, in particular, Elzi Volk.

    David

  2. <snip hard to believe results>

    David,

    First off let me say WOW!.

    Secondly let me appologize for replying to you out of group if you don't
    care for that kind of thing.

    I am about the same as you, build wise. I am between 6'2" and 6'3"
    depending on what time of the day I measure. Right now I sit at 290lbs
    and 30% bodyfat. So that gives me a LBM of about 200lbs. I would really
    love to get back down to where I was years ago before an injury gave me
    excuse to turn myself into a sloth. It sounds like Lyle's latest
    endeavor may be the way.

    Can you give a guy a link to where to pick it up? It is an e-book for
    about $20, no? Is it listed at the body recomp forums somewhere?

    TIA,

    Ryan

  3. "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    <snip hard to believe results>

    David,

    Ryan,

    Quoted message said:

    First off let me say WOW!.

    If you were standing on your head, that would be MOM! Which would be very
    inappropriate.

    Quoted message said:

    Secondly let me appologize for replying to you out of group if you don't
    care for that kind of thing.

    I think we're all in MFW at the moment. Are you having an out-of-body
    experience?

    Quoted message said:

    I am about the same as you, build wise. I am between 6'2" and 6'3"
    depending on what time of the day I measure. Right now I sit at 290lbs and
    30% bodyfat. So that gives me a LBM of about 200lbs. I would really love
    to get back down to where I was years ago before an injury gave me excuse
    to turn myself into a sloth. It sounds like Lyle's latest endeavor may be
    the way.

    If you like eating lean protein and fibrous veges, for a few months, it sure
    can be.

    Quoted message said:

    Can you give a guy a link to where to pick it up? It is an e-book for
    about $20, no? Is it listed at the body recomp forums somewhere?

    You can learn a lot of the basics on the bodyrecomp forum, but, to do it
    right, the book is very useful. It's available at amazon.com, search under
    Lyle McDonald, the actual title is "The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook".

    David

  4. David Cohen said:

    "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    <snip hard to believe results>

    David,

    Ryan,

    Quoted message said:

    First off let me say WOW!.

    If you were standing on your head, that would be MOM! Which would be very
    inappropriate.

    In a bit of a mood today, are ya?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Secondly let me appologize for replying to you out of group if you don't
    care for that kind of thing.

    I think we're all in MFW at the moment. Are you having an out-of-body
    experience?

    Nope, just a reply when reply to author was meant moment. If I wasn't so
    damn thick skinned I would be red.

    Haven't had an out of body in ten years, but I have been daydreaming
    about them lately.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I am about the same as you, build wise. I am between 6'2" and 6'3"
    depending on what time of the day I measure. Right now I sit at 290lbs and
    30% bodyfat. So that gives me a LBM of about 200lbs. I would really love
    to get back down to where I was years ago before an injury gave me excuse
    to turn myself into a sloth. It sounds like Lyle's latest endeavor may be
    the way.

    If you like eating lean protein and fibrous veges, for a few months, it sure
    can be.

    Quoted message said:

    Can you give a guy a link to where to pick it up? It is an e-book for
    about $20, no? Is it listed at the body recomp forums somewhere?

    You can learn a lot of the basics on the bodyrecomp forum, but, to do it
    right, the book is very useful. It's available at amazon.com, search under
    Lyle McDonald, the actual title is "The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook".

    Is it available e-book? I am an impatient bugger and hate buying
    something and then waiting for it to be shipped.

    Quoted message said:


    David

  5. "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    <snip hard to believe results>

    David,

    Ryan,

    Quoted message said:

    First off let me say WOW!.

    If you were standing on your head, that would be MOM! Which would be very
    inappropriate.

    In a bit of a mood today, are ya?

    If I were standing backwards, I'd be in a doom 🙁

    Upside down, I'd have wood. I'm going with that one 🙂

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Secondly let me appologize for replying to you out of group if you don't
    care for that kind of thing.

    I think we're all in MFW at the moment. Are you having an out-of-body
    experience?

    Nope, just a reply when reply to author was meant moment. If I wasn't so
    damn thick skinned I would be red.

    Haven't had an out of body in ten years, but I have been daydreaming about
    them lately.

    Ah, just checked email. Now I understand.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I am about the same as you, build wise. I am between 6'2" and 6'3"
    depending on what time of the day I measure. Right now I sit at 290lbs
    and 30% bodyfat. So that gives me a LBM of about 200lbs. I would really
    love to get back down to where I was years ago before an injury gave me
    excuse to turn myself into a sloth. It sounds like Lyle's latest endeavor
    may be the way.


    If you like eating lean protein and fibrous veges, for a few months, it
    sure can be.

    Quoted message said:

    Can you give a guy a link to where to pick it up? It is an e-book for
    about $20, no? Is it listed at the body recomp forums somewhere?


    You can learn a lot of the basics on the bodyrecomp forum, but, to do it
    right, the book is very useful. It's available at amazon.com, search
    under Lyle McDonald, the actual title is "The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook".

    Is it available e-book? I am an impatient bugger and hate buying something
    and then waiting for it to be shipped.

    I don't know if it's available as an e-book. You can find that out on the
    bodyrecomp forum. Amazon can get it to you in a few days. But, it's a REAL
    good diet for the impatient, as you see results REAL damn fast. 'Cause it's
    a modified fast. So it's fast. Modifiably so.

    You'll like it. Report back your results.

    David

  6. David Cohen said:

    "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

    ><snip hard to believe results>
    >
    >David,

    Ryan,

    >First off let me say WOW!.

    If you were standing on your head, that would be MOM! Which would be very
    inappropriate.

    In a bit of a mood today, are ya?

    If I were standing backwards, I'd be in a doom 🙁

    Upside down, I'd have wood. I'm going with that one 🙂

    Wouldn't it be a wooq? What is that anyway? A Brit slang for wookie? I
    think we Charles to clarify here?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Secondly let me appologize for replying to you out of group if you don't
    >care for that kind of thing.

    I think we're all in MFW at the moment. Are you having an out-of-body
    experience?

    Nope, just a reply when reply to author was meant moment. If I wasn't so
    damn thick skinned I would be red.

    Haven't had an out of body in ten years, but I have been daydreaming about
    them lately.

    Ah, just checked email. Now I understand.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >I am about the same as you, build wise. I am between 6'2" and 6'3"
    >depending on what time of the day I measure. Right now I sit at 290lbs
    >and 30% bodyfat. So that gives me a LBM of about 200lbs. I would really
    >love to get back down to where I was years ago before an injury gave me
    >excuse to turn myself into a sloth. It sounds like Lyle's latest endeavor
    >may be the way.

    If you like eating lean protein and fibrous veges, for a few months, it
    sure can be.

    >Can you give a guy a link to where to pick it up? It is an e-book for
    >about $20, no? Is it listed at the body recomp forums somewhere?

    You can learn a lot of the basics on the bodyrecomp forum, but, to do it
    right, the book is very useful. It's available at amazon.com, search
    under Lyle McDonald, the actual title is "The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook".

    Is it available e-book? I am an impatient bugger and hate buying something
    and then waiting for it to be shipped.

    I don't know if it's available as an e-book. You can find that out on the
    bodyrecomp forum. Amazon can get it to you in a few days. But, it's a REAL
    good diet for the impatient, as you see results REAL damn fast. 'Cause it's
    a modified fast. So it's fast. Modifiably so.

    You'll like it. Report back your results.

    David

  7. "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    David Cohen wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    You can learn a lot of the basics on the bodyrecomp forum, but, to do it
    right, the book is very useful. It's available at amazon.com, search
    under Lyle McDonald, the actual title is "The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook".

    Is it available e-book? I am an impatient bugger and hate buying something
    and then waiting for it to be shipped.


    It's available as a pdf here:
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/products.php

  8. "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    Finally, though I, fairly, I believe, refer to it as the Lyle McDonald
    Modified PSMF, I include thanks to those who contributed to the concepts
    involved, in particular, Elzi Volk.

    Nice job, David.

    Thank you.

    Quoted message said:

    I just hate the fact that the smug [censored] is right so often.

    About diet, anyway. He called me a stupid [censored] today. I am *not* a
    [censored]!

    I laughed at your carb ups. That's all you could think of? No lush
    delicious chocolate cake? No ice cream sundaes? No big pile of steaming
    mashed potatoes? I *dream* of finding some excuse to do a carb-up. It's
    almost enough to make me consider doing his diet again.

    I really like Promax bars and cheese crackers. Ice cream has too much fat.
    Mashed potatoes are a good idea...next time. Though a stick of butter on top
    is out of the question 🙁

    As I type this, I'm eating a big Egg Beaters omelette with fat-free cheddar
    cheese, can of tuna, sliced jalepenos, and Tabasco sauce...YUM!

    David

  9. David Cohen said:


    A word about 5 hour carb loads. I keep very close track of weight and body
    fat, and plot them on a graph. I have done carb loads only when the rate of
    weight loss begins to plateau. The first month I didn't do any. I've done
    three of them during the second month.

    The first was ineffective. Looking back, it's obvious that I was
    psychologically inhibited from eating enough. Didn't want to screw up the
    diet, even though I knew I wasn't going to. I gained only one pound the
    morning after the carb load. I'm 6'1" and lean at 200 pounds, so, I have a
    fairly above average amount of muscle mass, with corresponding glycogen
    storage capacity, so one pound gain was clearly not a full glycogen reload.
    And, as expected, my rate of weight loss did not improve.

    The second carb load included 15 Promax bars, a pound of cheese crackers, a
    half pound of cheese-covered popcorn, and 2 quarts of Gatorade. I gained 4
    pounds the next morning, burnt it off in a day, and my rate of weight loss
    improved.

    This past weekend's 5 hour carb load included a large box of Captain Crunch,
    2 large cans of fruit cocktail, 8 corn dogs, 2 pounds of cheese crackers, 2
    quarts of Gatorade, and whatever other food failed to find a safe hiding
    spot. I gained 11 pounds by the next morning, but was able to burn it off in
    2 days, so, it was virtually all gylcogen and water. Now THAT is an
    effective carb up! And my rate of weight loss has improved, again. So, my
    advice for carb loads: EAT A LOT OF CARBS!! LOTS!!!

    Hmmm ... you're dumping in a [censored] of fat with the carb load, what
    with the corn dogs, cheese crackers, and cheese corn. Not exactly how
    I would do it. I tend to eat a lot of orange/fruit slices candy.

  10. "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:


    A word about 5 hour carb loads. I keep very close track of weight and body
    fat, and plot them on a graph. I have done carb loads only when the rate
    of
    weight loss begins to plateau. The first month I didn't do any. I've done
    three of them during the second month.

    The first was ineffective. Looking back, it's obvious that I was
    psychologically inhibited from eating enough. Didn't want to screw up the
    diet, even though I knew I wasn't going to. I gained only one pound the
    morning after the carb load. I'm 6'1" and lean at 200 pounds, so, I have a
    fairly above average amount of muscle mass, with corresponding glycogen
    storage capacity, so one pound gain was clearly not a full glycogen
    reload.
    And, as expected, my rate of weight loss did not improve.

    The second carb load included 15 Promax bars, a pound of cheese crackers,
    a
    half pound of cheese-covered popcorn, and 2 quarts of Gatorade. I gained 4
    pounds the next morning, burnt it off in a day, and my rate of weight loss
    improved.

    This past weekend's 5 hour carb load included a large box of Captain
    Crunch,
    2 large cans of fruit cocktail, 8 corn dogs, 2 pounds of cheese crackers,
    2
    quarts of Gatorade, and whatever other food failed to find a safe hiding
    spot. I gained 11 pounds by the next morning, but was able to burn it off
    in
    2 days, so, it was virtually all gylcogen and water. Now THAT is an
    effective carb up! And my rate of weight loss has improved, again. So, my
    advice for carb loads: EAT A LOT OF CARBS!! LOTS!!!

    Hmmm ... you're dumping in a [censored] of fat with the carb load, what
    with the corn dogs, cheese crackers, and cheese corn.

    True. I've thought about that before, but, it helps me get in the amount of
    food I need to get in. It doesn't seem to be causing a problem, so far.

    Quoted message said:

    Not exactly how
    I would do it. I tend to eat a lot of orange/fruit slices candy.

    Ooo, I like those! Next time. Along with Dally's mashed potatoes.

    David

  11. David Cohen said:

    As I type this, I'm eating a big Egg Beaters omelette with fat-free cheddar
    cheese, can of tuna, sliced jalepenos, and Tabasco sauce...YUM!

    A tuna omelette? Hmmm. Doesn't appeal to me. But I like lox and put
    it on things fairly often. A lox & onion & caper omelette would be good.

    Me, I ate a big plate of salad greens spritzed with sesame oil with
    chunks of meat on top. Quelle suprise. I eat the same damn thing
    nearly every day. This time the chunks of meat were turkey breast.

    Your diet sounds appealing. I really would like to drop ten more
    pounds. I just went for a brutal hill climbing workout on my bike and I
    really feel each and every one of those pounds as I try to haul them up
    mountainsides.

    What sort of workouts are you doing?

    Dally

  12. Dally said:

    I just went for a brutal hill climbing workout on my bike and I
    really feel each and every one of those pounds as I try to haul them up
    mountainsides.

    Why not use a wheelbarrow under your fatass? It'll be easier than
    dragging it behind you.
    RealyTBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  13. "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    As I type this, I'm eating a big Egg Beaters omelette with fat-free
    cheddar cheese, can of tuna, sliced jalepenos, and Tabasco sauce...YUM!

    A tuna omelette? Hmmm. Doesn't appeal to me. But I like lox and put it
    on things fairly often. A lox & onion & caper omelette would be good.

    Yes, that would work on this diet. I'll have to buy some lox. I'll miss the
    bagel and cream cheese, but, such is life on a LMMPSMF.

    Quoted message said:

    Me, I ate a big plate of salad greens spritzed with sesame oil with chunks
    of meat on top. Quelle suprise. I eat the same damn thing nearly every
    day. This time the chunks of meat were turkey breast.

    Your diet sounds appealing. I really would like to drop ten more pounds.
    I just went for a brutal hill climbing workout on my bike and I really
    feel each and every one of those pounds as I try to haul them up
    mountainsides.

    What sort of workouts are you doing?

    Minimal weights. Lots of mountain hiking with the (much leaner now) dog.

    David

  14. David Cohen said:

    <copied from his forum www.bodyrecomposition.com without permission,
    but I wrote it, so, screw 'em!>

    To recap, Part 1 recounted my one month drop from 250s/30% body fat
    to the 220s/20% BF. Part 2 described the extraordinary improvement in
    vital signs and blood lipid values.

    It's now been two months. I'm down to about 210 pounds and 17% body
    fat. The rate of weight loss has slowed, as expected, since my
    maintenance caloric requirement is much less at over 40 pounds
    lighter. To keep the same weight loss rate, I'd have to eat less or
    exercise more. Eating less would affect the protein sparing aspect of
    the Lyle McDonald Modified Protein Sparing Modified Fast (LMMPSMF). I
    don't have the time or desire to increase exercise right now.

    As a side note, I HIGHLY recommend mountain hiking on a diet. Las
    Vegas is at about 2000 feet elevation. The trails in the nearby
    mountains range from 9000-12000 feet. This high altitude hiking burns
    glycogen after a carb load FAST, and the improvement in
    cardiovascular conditioning has been remarkable. Peaks or
    destinations that used to take a full day slog, often failing to get
    there, now take 45 minutes or so. Just amazing 🙂
    As I understand it, the LMMPSMF has two goals: 1) lose a lot of fat
    fast while 2) maintaining muscle mass. My extremely accurate digital
    scale, and my fairly accurate calipers (I've been doing caliper
    measurements for many years, and my inexpensive Slim Guides have a
    reputation for accuracy), indicate that, so far, through my large
    loss of weight over two months, my lean body mass (LBM) has remained
    at about 175 pounds...no loss of muscle mass. So, the diet has met
    both goals.
    A word about 5 hour carb loads. I keep very close track of weight and
    body fat, and plot them on a graph. I have done carb loads only when
    the rate of weight loss begins to plateau. The first month I didn't
    do any. I've done three of them during the second month.

    The first was ineffective. Looking back, it's obvious that I was
    psychologically inhibited from eating enough. Didn't want to screw up
    the diet, even though I knew I wasn't going to. I gained only one
    pound the morning after the carb load. I'm 6'1" and lean at 200
    pounds, so, I have a fairly above average amount of muscle mass, with
    corresponding glycogen storage capacity, so one pound gain was
    clearly not a full glycogen reload. And, as expected, my rate of
    weight loss did not improve.
    The second carb load included 15 Promax bars, a pound of cheese
    crackers, a half pound of cheese-covered popcorn, and 2 quarts of
    Gatorade. I gained 4 pounds the next morning, burnt it off in a day,
    and my rate of weight loss improved.

    This past weekend's 5 hour carb load included a large box of Captain
    Crunch, 2 large cans of fruit cocktail, 8 corn dogs, 2 pounds of
    cheese crackers, 2 quarts of Gatorade, and whatever other food failed
    to find a safe hiding spot. I gained 11 pounds by the next morning,
    but was able to burn it off in 2 days, so, it was virtually all
    gylcogen and water. Now THAT is an effective carb up! And my rate of
    weight loss has improved, again. So, my advice for carb loads: EAT A
    LOT OF CARBS!! LOTS!!!
    Finally, though I, fairly, I believe, refer to it as the Lyle McDonald
    Modified PSMF, I include thanks to those who contributed to the
    concepts involved, in particular, Elzi Volk.

    David

    Nice work David. I didn't know you were power dieting. But that's a lot of
    weight to drop in a short period of time...nicely done.
    --
    -Larry

    "The troll hasn't been born who can troll us worse than we troll
    ourselves." Hugh Beyer

  15. "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

    ><snip hard to believe results>
    >
    >David,

    Ryan,

    >First off let me say WOW!.

    If you were standing on your head, that would be MOM! Which would be


    very

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    inappropriate.

    In a bit of a mood today, are ya?

    If I were standing backwards, I'd be in a doom 🙁

    Upside down, I'd have wood. I'm going with that one 🙂

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Secondly let me appologize for replying to you out of group if you


    don't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >care for that kind of thing.

    I think we're all in MFW at the moment. Are you having an out-of-body
    experience?

    Nope, just a reply when reply to author was meant moment. If I wasn't so
    damn thick skinned I would be red.

    Haven't had an out of body in ten years, but I have been daydreaming


    about

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them lately.

    Ah, just checked email. Now I understand.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    >I am about the same as you, build wise. I am between 6'2" and 6'3"
    >depending on what time of the day I measure. Right now I sit at 290lbs
    >and 30% bodyfat. So that gives me a LBM of about 200lbs. I would really
    >love to get back down to where I was years ago before an injury gave me
    >excuse to turn myself into a sloth. It sounds like Lyle's latest


    endeavor

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >may be the way.
    If you like eating lean protein and fibrous veges, for a few months,


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sure can be.

    >Can you give a guy a link to where to pick it up? It is an e-book for
    >about $20, no? Is it listed at the body recomp forums somewhere?
    You can learn a lot of the basics on the bodyrecomp forum, but, to do


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    right, the book is very useful. It's available at amazon.com, search
    under Lyle McDonald, the actual title is "The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook".

    Is it available e-book? I am an impatient bugger and hate buying


    something

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    and then waiting for it to be shipped.

    I don't know if it's available as an e-book. You can find that out on the
    bodyrecomp forum. Amazon can get it to you in a few days. But, it's a REAL
    good diet for the impatient, as you see results REAL damn fast. 'Cause


    it's

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    a modified fast. So it's fast. Modifiably so.

    You'll like it. Report back your results.

    David


    Have you posted what your calorie deficit is during your weight loss?

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    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    David Cohen wrote:
    > "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >
    >><snip hard to believe results>
    >>
    >>David,
    >
    > Ryan,
    >
    >>First off let me say WOW!.
    >
    > If you were standing on your head, that would be MOM! Which would be


    very

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    > inappropriate.

    In a bit of a mood today, are ya?

    If I were standing backwards, I'd be in a doom 🙁

    Upside down, I'd have wood. I'm going with that one 🙂

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    >>Secondly let me appologize for replying to you out of group if you


    don't

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    >>care for that kind of thing.
    >
    > I think we're all in MFW at the moment. Are you having an


    out-of-body

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    > experience?

    Nope, just a reply when reply to author was meant moment. If I wasn't


    so

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    damn thick skinned I would be red.

    Haven't had an out of body in ten years, but I have been daydreaming


    about

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    them lately.

    Ah, just checked email. Now I understand.

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    >>I am about the same as you, build wise. I am between 6'2" and 6'3"
    >>depending on what time of the day I measure. Right now I sit at


    290lbs

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    >>and 30% bodyfat. So that gives me a LBM of about 200lbs. I would


    really

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    >>love to get back down to where I was years ago before an injury gave


    me

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    >>excuse to turn myself into a sloth. It sounds like Lyle's latest


    endeavor

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    >>may be the way.
    > If you like eating lean protein and fibrous veges, for a few months,


    it

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    > sure can be.
    >
    >>Can you give a guy a link to where to pick it up? It is an e-book for
    >>about $20, no? Is it listed at the body recomp forums somewhere?
    > You can learn a lot of the basics on the bodyrecomp forum, but, to


    do

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    it

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    > right, the book is very useful. It's available at amazon.com, search
    > under Lyle McDonald, the actual title is "The Rapid Fat Loss


    Handbook".

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    Is it available e-book? I am an impatient bugger and hate buying


    something

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and then waiting for it to be shipped.

    I don't know if it's available as an e-book. You can find that out on


    the

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    bodyrecomp forum. Amazon can get it to you in a few days. But, it's a


    REAL

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    good diet for the impatient, as you see results REAL damn fast. 'Cause


    it's

    Quoted message said:

    a modified fast. So it's fast. Modifiably so.

    You'll like it. Report back your results.

    David


    Have you posted what your calorie deficit is during your weight loss?


    Sorry - can you post your calorie consumption and your maintenance level

  17. "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <copied from his forum www.bodyrecomposition.com without permission,
    but I wrote it, so, screw 'em!>

    To recap, Part 1 recounted my one month drop from 250s/30% body fat to
    the 220s/20% BF. Part 2 described the extraordinary improvement in
    vital signs and blood lipid values.

    It's now been two months. I'm down to about 210 pounds and 17% body
    fat. The rate of weight loss has slowed, as expected, since my
    maintenance caloric requirement is much less at over 40 pounds
    lighter. To keep the same weight loss rate, I'd have to eat less or
    exercise more. Eating less would affect the protein sparing aspect of
    the Lyle McDonald Modified Protein Sparing Modified Fast (LMMPSMF). I
    don't have the time or desire to increase exercise right now.

    As a side note, I HIGHLY recommend mountain hiking on a diet. Las
    Vegas is at about 2000 feet elevation. The trails in the nearby
    mountains range from 9000-12000 feet. This high altitude hiking burns
    glycogen after a carb load FAST, and the improvement in cardiovascular
    conditioning has been remarkable. Peaks or destinations that used to
    take a full day slog, often failing to get there, now take 45 minutes
    or so. Just amazing 🙂

    As I understand it, the LMMPSMF has two goals: 1) lose a lot of fat
    fast while 2) maintaining muscle mass. My extremely accurate digital
    scale, and my fairly accurate calipers (I've been doing caliper
    measurements for many years, and my inexpensive Slim Guides have a
    reputation for accuracy), indicate that, so far, through my large loss
    of weight over two months, my lean body mass (LBM) has remained at
    about 175 pounds...no loss of muscle mass. So, the diet has met both
    goals.

    A word about 5 hour carb loads. I keep very close track of weight and
    body fat, and plot them on a graph. I have done carb loads only when
    the rate of weight loss begins to plateau. The first month I didn't do
    any. I've done three of them during the second month.

    The first was ineffective. Looking back, it's obvious that I was
    psychologically inhibited from eating enough. Didn't want to screw up
    the diet, even though I knew I wasn't going to. I gained only one
    pound the morning after the carb load. I'm 6'1" and lean at 200
    pounds, so, I have a fairly above average amount of muscle mass, with
    corresponding glycogen storage capacity, so one pound gain was clearly
    not a full glycogen reload. And, as expected, my rate of weight loss
    did not improve.

    The second carb load included 15 Promax bars, a pound of cheese
    crackers, a half pound of cheese-covered popcorn, and 2 quarts of
    Gatorade. I gained 4 pounds the next morning, burnt it off in a day,
    and my rate of weight loss improved.

    This past weekend's 5 hour carb load included a large box of Captain
    Crunch, 2 large cans of fruit cocktail, 8 corn dogs, 2 pounds of
    cheese crackers, 2 quarts of Gatorade, and whatever other food failed
    to find a safe hiding spot. I gained 11 pounds by the next morning,
    but was able to burn it off in 2 days, so, it was virtually all
    gylcogen and water. Now THAT is an effective carb up! And my rate of
    weight loss has improved, again. So, my advice for carb loads: EAT A
    LOT OF CARBS!! LOTS!!!

    Finally, though I, fairly, I believe, refer to it as the Lyle McDonald
    Modified PSMF, I include thanks to those who contributed to the
    concepts involved, in particular, Elzi Volk.

    David, what are your plans long-term - what weight do you plan to
    stabilize at and how do you plan to eat and exercise to achieve that,
    this in comparison with both your pre-diet and current eating and
    exercise practices? Are you concerned that losing as fast as you did,
    it will be hard to maintain in the long run? And why did you choose to
    drop the weight at this time? I don't imagine you're entering a BB
    contest any time soon. 🙂

    Just curious.

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    David Cohen said:

    "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

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    David Cohen said:

    Finally, though I, fairly, I believe, refer to it as the Lyle McDonald
    Modified PSMF, I include thanks to those who contributed to the concepts
    involved, in particular, Elzi Volk.

    Nice job, David.

    Thank you.

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    I just hate the fact that the smug [censored] is right so often.

    About diet, anyway. He called me a stupid [censored] today. I am *not* a
    [censored]!

    I laughed at your carb ups. That's all you could think of? No lush
    delicious chocolate cake? No ice cream sundaes? No big pile of steaming
    mashed potatoes? I *dream* of finding some excuse to do a carb-up. It's
    almost enough to make me consider doing his diet again.

    I really like Promax bars and cheese crackers. Ice cream has too much fat.
    Mashed potatoes are a good idea...next time. Though a stick of butter on top
    is out of the question 🙁

    No butter? Dayum. I was thinking of a dozen fresh from the oven whole
    wheat bagels from the local bakery, but butter is essential.

    Who makes up these rules anyhow?

    --
    Keith

  19. Hobbes said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
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    I really like Promax bars and cheese crackers. Ice cream has too much fat.
    Mashed potatoes are a good idea...next time. Though a stick of butter on top
    is out of the question 🙁

    No butter? Dayum. I was thinking of a dozen fresh from the oven whole
    wheat bagels from the local bakery, but butter is essential.

    Who makes up these rules anyhow?

    Coincidentally, someone who is lactose intolerant.

    Dally

  20. Hobbes said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I really like Promax bars and cheese crackers. Ice cream has too much fat.
    Mashed potatoes are a good idea...next time. Though a stick of butter on top
    is out of the question 🙁

    No butter? Dayum. I was thinking of a dozen fresh from the oven whole
    wheat bagels from the local bakery, but butter is essential.

    Who makes up these rules anyhow?

    Coincidentally, someone who is lactose intolerant.

    Dally

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