Parking in cycle lanes:

Shaun Rimmer said:

I despise them for pulling into the cycle lane, from the oncoming
carriageway, right in front of me, forcing me to move out into fast flowing
traffic to avoid pulling a trials move right over their stupid [censored] cars.

If you're having to brake that hard, perhaps just carrying on and
performing a controlled 'crash' on to the bonnet and up the windscreen.
Then phone the police. Much damage to car (especially if you drag the bike
on to the bonnet with you), one shocked driver who has to go to court.
Criminal compensation, new bike, etc, and best of all, you get to turn up
to work late saying you've been run over. Instant sympathy >🙂

On a more serious note, if you've got the number plate of this fellow, you
can report him directly to the police for dangerous driving. Although
there's unlikely to be a prosecution they'll often pop round for a word.

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Bomba says:

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If you're having to brake that hard, perhaps just carrying on and
performing a controlled 'crash' on to the bonnet and up the windscreen.

<snip other good advice>

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Although
there's unlikely to be a prosecution they'll often pop round for a word.

I always found a boot in the door and a "Get out of my lane, Fsckwit!" worked
really well. If they report you, they have to admit to being there.
Mind you, you have to have an escape route planned...

Steve

Shaun Rimmer said:

<RANT MODE!!!!!!!>

Lets face it, it's against the law, it's dangerous, and only utter
t*atc*nts do it.

I'm not sure it is against the law. FWIW, I'd sooner go round the outside of
a parked car than ride up the inside and risk not being seen by someone
waiting to turn into a junction or driveway. Of course, if there's a
junction the car shouldn't be parked anywhere near it.

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Quoted message said:

Shaun Rimmer said:

I despise them for pulling into the cycle lane, from the oncoming
carriageway, right in front of me, forcing me to move out into fast

flowing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

traffic to avoid pulling a trials move right over their stupid [censored]

cars.

Quoted message said:

If you're having to brake that hard, perhaps just carrying on and
performing a controlled 'crash' on to the bonnet and up the windscreen.

Heheheh, hey, you just _know_ *I'd* be bound to break a bone doing [censored] like
that! ',;~}~

Especially at around 20 mph...

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Then phone the police. Much damage to car (especially if you drag the bike
on to the bonnet with you), one shocked driver who has to go to court.
Criminal compensation, new bike, etc, and best of all, you get to turn up
to work late saying you've been run over. Instant sympathy >🙂

I don't need sympathy, I need ACTION!

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On a more serious note, if you've got the number plate of this fellow, you
can report him directly to the police for dangerous driving. Although
there's unlikely to be a prosecution they'll often pop round for a word.

Yeah, this particular one didn't happen recently, but there's many a near
incident each week, and there's _always_ cars parked in these lanes, from
visiting friends cars, through people going to the shop, to parents waiting
for kiddies outside schools (the worst ones).

The school mainly in question does have parking facilities, and I will be
writing to them, also.

It bugs me that the police just drive past these idiots without even
glancing - it is against the law to even drive with a wheel over the white
line into a cycle lane 9instant driving test fail for same), and there a
standing fine of somewhere around £30 for a first offence - I don't get it,
they're normally so big on pulling fine revenue?!?!?!?

Cheers Jon,

Shaun aRe

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Bomba says:

Quoted message said:

If you're having to brake that hard, perhaps just carrying on and
performing a controlled 'crash' on to the bonnet and up the windscreen.

<snip other good advice>

Quoted message said:

Although
there's unlikely to be a prosecution they'll often pop round for a word.

I always found a boot in the door and a "Get out of my lane, Fsckwit!"

worked

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really well. If they report you, they have to admit to being there.
Mind you, you have to have an escape route planned...

Yeah, and I'm always at least half out of breath! Not only that, but my
criminal damages charges would likely be far more severe than their illegal
parking ones, knowing my luck with these things...

Shaun aRe

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Quoted message said:

Shaun Rimmer said:

<RANT MODE!!!!!!!>

Lets face it, it's against the law, it's dangerous, and only utter
t*atc*nts do it.

I'm not sure it is against the law.

I'm in the UK. Here it is illegal, with a standing fine of around £30 for a
first offence. It is also an instant fail to even put a tyre on the devide
line of a cycle lane during a car test.

Quoted message said:

FWIW, I'd sooner go round the outside of
a parked car than ride up the inside and risk not being seen by someone
waiting to turn into a junction or driveway. Of course, if there's a
junction the car shouldn't be parked anywhere near it.

These things are not issues in this case.

Shaun aRe

Shaun Rimmer said:

Quoted message said:

If you're having to brake that hard, perhaps just carrying on and
performing a controlled 'crash' on to the bonnet and up the windscreen.

Heheheh, hey, you just _know_ *I'd* be bound to break a bone doing [censored] like
that! ',;~}~

Especially at around 20 mph...

Bigger compensation bill!

Sometimes I forget that you're a Northern nonce, not a double-'ard
[censored], like what I am :^D

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The school mainly in question does have parking facilities, and I will be
writing to them, also.

Good plan. Write to as many people as possible. Councillors, MPs, local
paper, etc, etc. I'm sure you don't need help as to what to write.

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It bugs me that the police just drive past these idiots without even
glancing - it is against the law to even drive with a wheel over the white
line into a cycle lane 9instant driving test fail for same), and there a
standing fine of somewhere around £30 for a first offence - I don't get it,
they're normally so big on pulling fine revenue?!?!?!?

Ah, but this involves effort on their part. Much easier to let an
automated system take photos and send out the bills.

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Quoted message said:

Shaun Rimmer said:

I despise them for pulling into the cycle lane, from the oncoming
carriageway, right in front of me, forcing me to move out into fast flowing
traffic to avoid pulling a trials move right over their stupid [censored] cars.

If you're having to brake that hard, perhaps just carrying on and
performing a controlled 'crash' on to the bonnet and up the windscreen.
Then phone the police. Much damage to car (especially if you drag the bike
on to the bonnet with you), one shocked driver who has to go to court.
Criminal compensation, new bike, etc, and best of all, you get to turn up
to work late saying you've been run over. Instant sympathy >🙂

On a more serious note, if you've got the number plate of this fellow, you
can report him directly to the police for dangerous driving. Although
there's unlikely to be a prosecution they'll often pop round for a word.

I've performed the crash of which you speak, and made the bonnet into a birdbath.

/s

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Shaun Rimmer said:

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If you're having to brake that hard, perhaps just carrying on and
performing a controlled 'crash' on to the bonnet and up the windscreen.

Heheheh, hey, you just _know_ *I'd* be bound to break a bone doing [censored]

like

Quoted message said:

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that! ',;~}~

Especially at around 20 mph...

Bigger compensation bill!

And more physical down-time, something I'm about as sick-to-death of as I
can take...

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Sometimes I forget that you're a Northern nonce, not a double-'ard
[censored], like what I am :^D

Oh, I'm a Hard Northern BastardT alright, just and unlucky one, that's
all...

Quoted message said:

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The school mainly in question does have parking facilities, and I will

be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

writing to them, also.

Good plan. Write to as many people as possible. Councillors, MPs, local
paper, etc, etc. I'm sure you don't need help as to what to write.

True ',;~}~

I'll start with the School and the Cops/Traffic peeps, and see how it goes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It bugs me that the police just drive past these idiots without even
glancing - it is against the law to even drive with a wheel over the

white

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

line into a cycle lane 9instant driving test fail for same), and there a
standing fine of somewhere around £30 for a first offence - I don't get

it,

Quoted message said:

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they're normally so big on pulling fine revenue?!?!?!?

Ah, but this involves effort on their part. Much easier to let an
automated system take photos and send out the bills.

Indeed. [censored].

Cheers Jon,

Shaun aRe

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Shaun Rimmer said:

<RANT MODE!!!!!!!>

Lets face it, it's against the law, it's dangerous, and only utter
t*atc*nts do it.

I'm not sure it is against the law.

=20
I'm in the UK. Here it is illegal, with a standing fine of around =A330 f=

or a

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first offence. It is also an instant fail to even put a tyre on the devid=

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line of a cycle lane during a car test.

Only if it is a solid white line surrounding the bike lane.

If it is a broken white line, you can enter when necessary. You as the=20
driver have to decide if it is necessary.
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Quoted message said:

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FWIW, I'd sooner go round the outside of
a parked car than ride up the inside and risk not being seen by someone
waiting to turn into a junction or driveway. Of course, if there's a
junction the car shouldn't be parked anywhere near it.

=20
These things are not issues in this case.
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BTW, currently spendin gmore time driving than I should and almsot zero=20
time on the bike, but have been a long time poster here under several=20
different names and different accounts for about 7 years now.

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Shaun Rimmer said:

<RANT MODE!!!!!!!>
I despise them for opening their doors road-side _after_ I've
_already_ pulled out into fast flowing traffic, forcing me to brake
hard and move even further the [censored] out into fast flowing traffic to
avoid becoming burger meat.

You're slowly learning the facts of life I can see. Become a roadie, stay
away from cycling lanes and stick to the fast lane from the start 😉

--
Perre

You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

MeatballTurbo says:

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The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.

You actually _admit_ to that? ;-)

Steve

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Quoted message said:

<RANT MODE!!!!!!!>

Lets face it, it's against the law, it's dangerous, and only utter

t*atc*nts

Quoted message said:

do it.
I despise them for opening their doors road-side _after_ I've _already_
pulled out into fast flowing traffic, forcing me to brake hard and move

even

Quoted message said:

further the [censored] out into fast flowing traffic to avoid becoming burger
meat.

Keep an implement of some sort about your person when riding in town, its
surpsrising how quietly you can gouge a cars door as you go past. I tend to
use the edge of a multitool thats in my saddle bag - you see them pull in
ahead of you (or even better they are already parked), you pull out your
"tool" and just drag it across their door / wing as you slowly pedal past.
To report you they will have to say they were illegally parked in a cycle
lane - not something drivers want to do. Your defence is that your bars must
have done it as their inconsiderate parking forced you into a tiny gap in
the traffic that eveidently wasnt big enough.
Plus its a real good feeling. Especially if its a BMW.
Mark

Mark Fowler said:

Keep an implement of some sort about your person when riding in town,
its surpsrising how quietly you can gouge a cars door as you go past.
I tend to use the edge of a multitool thats in my saddle bag - you
see them pull in ahead of you (or even better they are already
parked), you pull out your "tool" and just drag it across their door
/ wing as you slowly pedal past. To report you they will have to say
they were illegally parked in a cycle lane - not something drivers
want to do. Your defence is that your bars must have done it as their
inconsiderate parking forced you into a tiny gap in the traffic that
eveidently wasnt big enough.
Plus its a real good feeling. Especially if its a BMW.

That sounds like a good idea. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone
spots you at it and gives you a bloody good hiding for it one day. Not that
I'd condone such things of course.

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MeatballTurbo says:

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The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.

You actually _admit_ to that? ;-)

Steve

Yep, proud of it.
infact, the Saab Turbo is getting to be a bit thirsty, and if it wasn't
for the huge boot, would chop it in immediatley for a tidy condition
Skoda Rapid tomorrow. Still considering it though, as there is nothing
like the feel of a rear engined skoda through a nice empty twisty
country road. People say they handle bad, but they just handle
different, in the Same way that a Porsche 911 handles, but most people
haven't driven a 911 (me included but I'm going by the experiences of a
club member who owns both).

Of Course neither handle as well as my SanAndreas especially off road at
speed.
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Quoted message said:

Mark Fowler said:

Keep an implement of some sort about your person when riding in town,
its surpsrising how quietly you can gouge a cars door as you go past.
I tend to use the edge of a multitool thats in my saddle bag - you
see them pull in ahead of you (or even better they are already
parked), you pull out your "tool" and just drag it across their door
/ wing as you slowly pedal past. To report you they will have to say
they were illegally parked in a cycle lane - not something drivers
want to do. Your defence is that your bars must have done it as their
inconsiderate parking forced you into a tiny gap in the traffic that
eveidently wasnt big enough.
Plus its a real good feeling. Especially if its a BMW.

That sounds like a good idea. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone
spots you at it and gives you a bloody good hiding for it one day. Not

that

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I'd condone such things of course.

Thing is, most cycle lanes are in heavy traffic areas. If they do catch you
doing it, they are going to have to run after you as they couldnt chase you
in their cars due to the heavy traffic!! And lets face it, how small are the
odds that you would do it to a car driver who was also a top level
sprinter!?!
Same goes for the inconsiderate parkers who park their car fully blocking
paths - they think they are doing the right thing as they arent blocking the
road!! Just walk past and knock the wing mirror off.
Mark

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Quoted message said:

Shaun Rimmer said:

<RANT MODE!!!!!!!>

Lets face it, it's against the law, it's dangerous, and only utter
t*atc*nts do it.

I'm not sure it is against the law.

I'm in the UK. Here it is illegal, with a standing fine of around £30 for

a

Quoted message said:

first offence. It is also an instant fail to even put a tyre on the devide
line of a cycle lane during a car test.

"Only if it is a solid white line surrounding the bike lane."

"If it is a broken white line, you can enter when necessary. You as the
driver have to decide if it is necessary."

I thought the 'necessary' was avoiding an accident only?

It's still illegal to park in the damned things, according to my police
sources...

Shaun aRe

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Quoted message said:

Shaun Rimmer said:

<RANT MODE!!!!!!!>
I despise them for opening their doors road-side _after_ I've
_already_ pulled out into fast flowing traffic, forcing me to brake
hard and move even further the [censored] out into fast flowing traffic to
avoid becoming burger meat.

You're slowly learning the facts of life I can see. Become a roadie, stay
away from cycling lanes and stick to the fast lane from the start 😉

I ain't quick enough on the road for that, matey - around 20 is my absolute
max on the flat.

Shaun aRe very familiar with the facts of life.

"Doki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Mark Fowler said:

Keep an implement of some sort about your person when riding in town,
its surpsrising how quietly you can gouge a cars door as you go past.
I tend to use the edge of a multitool thats in my saddle bag - you
see them pull in ahead of you (or even better they are already
parked), you pull out your "tool" and just drag it across their door
/ wing as you slowly pedal past. To report you they will have to say
they were illegally parked in a cycle lane - not something drivers
want to do. Your defence is that your bars must have done it as their
inconsiderate parking forced you into a tiny gap in the traffic that
eveidently wasnt big enough.
Plus its a real good feeling. Especially if its a BMW.

That sounds like a good idea. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone
spots you at it and gives you a bloody good hiding for it one day. Not

that

Quoted message said:

I'd condone such things of course.

Yes there's the violence aspect, but it just isn't my style at all anyhow.

Shaun aRe