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  1. Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:
    John Forrest Tomlinson said:
    Bill Sornson said:

    Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:

    > Many in the US disdain science and logic, and prefer to go on "gut"
    > reaction and/or faith based answers
    Al Gore got an Oscar for doing exactly that.

    Where do you get your news Sorni? Where do you get your news?

    Amplitude modulation?

    Sure hear a lot of PhD climatologists and meteorologists who trash A
    Convenient Lie there! You should check it out!

    Bill "why does that nutty man keep talking to me, Mommy?" S.

  2. On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:19:21 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:
    John Forrest Tomlinson said:

    Bill Sornson wrote:

    > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
    >
    >> Many in the US disdain science and logic, and prefer to go on "gut"
    >> reaction and/or faith based answers
    > Al Gore got an Oscar for doing exactly that.

    Where do you get your news Sorni? Where do you get your news?

    Amplitude modulation?

    Sure hear a lot of PhD climatologists and meteorologists who trash A
    Convenient Lie there! You should check it out!

    Where? Where do you get your news?

    And how are these scientists? Are they on energy company payrolls?
    --
    JT
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  3. On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:19:21 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:
    John Forrest Tomlinson said:

    Bill Sornson wrote:

    > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
    >
    >> Many in the US disdain science and logic, and prefer to go on "gut"
    >> reaction and/or faith based answers
    > Al Gore got an Oscar for doing exactly that.

    Where do you get your news Sorni? Where do you get your news?

    Amplitude modulation?

    Sure hear a lot of PhD climatologists and meteorologists who trash A
    Convenient Lie there! You should check it out!

    Are you saying you get your news from AM radio? I haven't listened to
    that much recently -- are their even reporters on AM radio stations
    (as opposed to political commentators)? What shows do you listen to?
    --
    JT
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  4. "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:19:21 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:

    John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
    > Bill Sornson wrote:
    >
    >> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
    >>
    >>> Many in the US disdain science and logic, and prefer to go on "gut"
    >>> reaction and/or faith based answers
    >> Al Gore got an Oscar for doing exactly that.
    >
    > Where do you get your news Sorni? Where do you get your news?

    Amplitude modulation?

    Sure hear a lot of PhD climatologists and meteorologists who trash A
    Convenient Lie there! You should check it out!

    Where? Where do you get your news?

    And how are these scientists? Are they on energy company payrolls?
    --
    JT

    Come on Bill, admit you get your news by smoke signals and drum beats. I've
    never seen anyone so obsessed with how others get information and news like
    JT is. Hell there's so many sources you probably cannot list them all, but
    it's expected from someone who only knows what they get from their single
    source propaganda merchants.

  5. DI said:

    "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:19:21 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
    > John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
    >> Bill Sornson wrote:
    >>
    >>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Many in the US disdain science and logic, and prefer to go on
    >>>> "gut" reaction and/or faith based answers
    >>> Al Gore got an Oscar for doing exactly that.
    >>
    >> Where do you get your news Sorni? Where do you get your news?
    >
    > Amplitude modulation?

    Sure hear a lot of PhD climatologists and meteorologists who trash A
    Convenient Lie there! You should check it out!

    Where? Where do you get your news?

    And how are these scientists? Are they on energy company payrolls?
    --
    JT

    Come on Bill, admit you get your news by smoke signals and drum
    beats. I've never seen anyone so obsessed with how others get
    information and news like JT is. Hell there's so many sources you
    probably cannot list them all, but it's expected from someone who
    only knows what they get from their single source propaganda
    merchants.

    Well, DI, since Robert "Gulfstream" Kennedy has proclaimed that the (many)
    scientists who dispute man-caused GW are traitors and should be treated as
    such, I best not reveal their identities! (Too bad they're some of the
    leading experts in their fields, huh?)

    As for poor ol' Flogger, I only see his words when others quote him; and
    having been chastised for daring to comment on some things in that format,
    I'll refrain from now on. (It is cute-slash-pathetic how he continues to
    address things to me, knowing I plonked his lying, dishonest self many
    months ago.)

    Bill "as Usenet turns" S.

  6. DI said:


    "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:19:21 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
    > John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
    >> Bill Sornson wrote:
    >>
    >>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Many in the US disdain science and logic, and prefer to go on "gut"
    >>>> reaction and/or faith based answers
    >>> Al Gore got an Oscar for doing exactly that.
    >>
    >> Where do you get your news Sorni? Where do you get your news?
    >
    > Amplitude modulation?

    Sure hear a lot of PhD climatologists and meteorologists who trash A
    Convenient Lie there! You should check it out!

    Where? Where do you get your news?

    And how are these scientists? Are they on energy company payrolls?
    --
    JT

    Come on Bill, admit you get your news by smoke signals and drum beats. I've
    never seen anyone so obsessed with how others get information and news like
    JT is. Hell there's so many sources you probably cannot list them all, but
    it's expected from someone who only knows what they get from their single
    source propaganda merchants.

    "Single source propaganda merchants"?

    www.jt10000.com/links/

    Where do you get your news DI?

    --
    JT
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  7. On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:53:40 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    As for poor ol' Flogger, I only see his words when others quote him; and
    having been chastised for daring to comment on some things in that format,
    I'll refrain from now on. (It is cute-slash-pathetic how he continues to
    address things to me, knowing I plonked his lying, dishonest self many
    months ago.)

    In the last four or five days you have posted replies that quote
    things I said at least once each day.

    You are avoiding very simple questions, such as where you get your
    news. Are you embarrassed to say that you get all your news from a
    single source -- perhaps some criminal/commentator such as Rush
    Limbaugh?

    If you want to be a coward, you're doing a good job at demonstrating
    it in public. If I was trying to hide from someone's line of inquiry
    I'd do a better job of pretending I'm not aware of it.
    --
    JT
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  8. Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a
    déclaré :

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:53:40 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    As for poor ol' Flogger, I only see his words when others quote him;
    and having been chastised for daring to comment on some things in
    that format, I'll refrain from now on. (It is cute-slash-pathetic
    how he continues to address things to me, knowing I plonked his
    lying, dishonest self many months ago.)

    In the last four or five days you have posted replies that quote
    things I said at least once each day.

    You are avoiding very simple questions, such as where you get your
    news. Are you embarrassed to say that you get all your news from a
    single source -- perhaps some criminal/commentator such as Rush
    Limbaugh?

    If you want to be a coward, you're doing a good job at demonstrating
    it in public. If I was trying to hide from someone's line of inquiry
    I'd do a better job of pretending I'm not aware of it.

    You have moved beyond tedious into obnoxious.
    I am surprised anyone reads you any more.
    --
    Sandy

    Ce n'est pas que j'ai peur de la mort.
    Je veux seulement ne pas être là
    quand elle arrivera.

  9. "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    DI said:


    "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Come on Bill, admit you get your news by smoke signals and drum beats.
    I've
    never seen anyone so obsessed with how others get information and news
    like
    JT is. Hell there's so many sources you probably cannot list them all,
    but
    it's expected from someone who only knows what they get from their single
    source propaganda merchants.

    "Single source propaganda merchants"?

    www.jt10000.com/links/

    Where do you get your news DI?

    --
    JT

    Wal-Mart

  10. Sandy said:

    Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you want to be a coward, you're doing a good job at demonstrating
    it in public. If I was trying to hide from someone's line of inquiry
    I'd do a better job of pretending I'm not aware of it.

    You have moved beyond tedious into obnoxious.
    I am surprised anyone reads you any more.

    LOL
    --
    JT
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  11. Sandy said:

    Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis
    a déclaré :

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:53:40 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    As for poor ol' Flogger, I only see his words when others quote him;
    and having been chastised for daring to comment on some things in
    that format, I'll refrain from now on. (It is cute-slash-pathetic
    how he continues to address things to me, knowing I plonked his
    lying, dishonest self many months ago.)

    In the last four or five days you have posted replies that quote
    things I said at least once each day.

    You are avoiding very simple questions, such as where you get your
    news. Are you embarrassed to say that you get all your news from a
    single source -- perhaps some criminal/commentator such as Rush
    Limbaugh?

    If you want to be a coward, you're doing a good job at demonstrating
    it in public. If I was trying to hide from someone's line of inquiry
    I'd do a better job of pretending I'm not aware of it.

    You have moved beyond tedious into obnoxious.
    I am surprised anyone reads you any more.

    Not only is he clueless, his memory's as short as his...attention span! LOL
    (Hint for Flogger: I /was/ occasionally answering you second-hand, but
    others said if I plonked you then that's not Kosher. So I stopped. Why
    don't you do the same?!?)

  12. DI said:

    "HWNMNBM" wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Where do you get your news DI?

    Quoted message said:

    Wal-Mart

    LOL Hillary will put an end to that! (Although Mrs. Obama will suffer,
    since she's on the board of a Satan's Supplier.)

    Speaking of Satan, Hill and Bill made money off Exxon-Mobil and Big Pharma
    stocks -- and lately even more by shorting them (albeit in a
    not-so-bloody-blind trust) since they're so publicly demonizing the
    companies. No fraud and hypocrisy there!

    Interesting times.

    BS (sadly not)

  13. Bill Sornson said:
    DI said:

    "HWNMNBM" wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Where do you get your news DI?

    Quoted message said:

    Wal-Mart

    LOL Hillary will put an end to that! (Although Mrs. Obama will suffer,
    since she's on the board of a Satan's Supplier.)

    Speaking of Satan, Hill and Bill made money off Exxon-Mobil and Big Pharma
    stocks -- and lately even more by shorting them (albeit in a
    not-so-bloody-blind trust) since they're so publicly demonizing the
    companies. No fraud and hypocrisy there!

    Interesting times.

    Is this the same Hillary Clinton that was on the Wal-Mart board from
    1986 to 1992?

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  14. "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bill Sornson said:
    DI said:

    "HWNMNBM" wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > Where do you get your news DI?

    Quoted message said:

    Wal-Mart

    LOL Hillary will put an end to that! (Although Mrs. Obama will suffer,
    since she's on the board of a Satan's Supplier.)

    Speaking of Satan, Hill and Bill made money off Exxon-Mobil and Big
    Pharma stocks -- and lately even more by shorting them (albeit in a
    not-so-bloody-blind trust) since they're so publicly demonizing the
    companies. No fraud and hypocrisy there!

    Interesting times.

    Is this the same Hillary Clinton that was on the Wal-Mart board from 1986
    to 1992?

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia

    Shhh, don't let that out, she's trying to hide it.

  15. Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:
    Bill Sornson said:
    DI said:

    "HWNMNBM" wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > Where do you get your news DI?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Wal-Mart

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    LOL Hillary will put an end to that! (Although Mrs. Obama will
    suffer, since she's on the board of a Satan's Supplier.)

    Speaking of Satan, Hill and Bill made money off Exxon-Mobil and Big
    Pharma stocks -- and lately even more by shorting them (albeit in a
    not-so-bloody-blind trust) since they're so publicly demonizing the
    companies. No fraud and hypocrisy there!

    Interesting times.

    Quoted message said:

    Is this the same Hillary Clinton that was on the Wal-Mart board from
    1986 to 1992?

    Yes, the one that trashes corporate America now. (Well, for the BASE, at
    least.)

  16. Bill Sornson said:
    Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:
    Bill Sornson said:

    DI wrote:
    > "HWNMNBM" wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >> Where do you get your news DI?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Wal-Mart

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    LOL Hillary will put an end to that! (Although Mrs. Obama will
    suffer, since she's on the board of a Satan's Supplier.)

    Speaking of Satan, Hill and Bill made money off Exxon-Mobil and Big
    Pharma stocks -- and lately even more by shorting them (albeit in a
    not-so-bloody-blind trust) since they're so publicly demonizing the
    companies. No fraud and hypocrisy there!

    Interesting times.

    Quoted message said:

    Is this the same Hillary Clinton that was on the Wal-Mart board from
    1986 to 1992?

    Yes, the one that trashes corporate America now. (Well, for the BASE, at
    least.)

    The same base that Slick Willie stabbed in the back?

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
    The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  17. On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:46:00 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Sandy said:

    Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
    John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis


    [sorni snips]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In the last four or five days you have posted replies that quote
    things I said at least once each day.


    [jft snips]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    If you want to be a coward, you're doing a good job at demonstrating
    it in public. If I was trying to hide from someone's line of inquiry
    I'd do a better job of pretending I'm not aware of it.

    You have moved beyond tedious into obnoxious.
    I am surprised anyone reads you any more.

    Not only is he clueless, his memory's as short as his...attention span! LOL
    (Hint for Flogger: I /was/ occasionally answering you second-hand, but
    others said if I plonked you then that's not Kosher. So I stopped. Why
    don't you do the same?!?)

    Ahh, the daily dose of Sorni claiming to not see what I wrote, while
    reposting it to the world.

    --
    JT
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  18. DI said:


    "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bill Sornson said:

    DI wrote:
    > "HWNMNBM" wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...

    >> Where do you get your news DI?

    > Wal-Mart

    LOL Hillary will put an end to that! (Although Mrs. Obama will suffer,
    since she's on the board of a Satan's Supplier.)

    Speaking of Satan, Hill and Bill made money off Exxon-Mobil and Big
    Pharma stocks -- and lately even more by shorting them (albeit in a
    not-so-bloody-blind trust) since they're so publicly demonizing the
    companies. No fraud and hypocrisy there!

    Interesting times.

    Is this the same Hillary Clinton that was on the Wal-Mart board from 1986
    to 1992?

    --
    Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia

    Shhh, don't let that out, she's trying to hide it.

    It's in the news -- the so-called liberal mainstream media and even,
    gasp, left-wing blogs.
    --
    JT
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  19. Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 01:23:09 -0500, Tim McNamara
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    I haven't got a bowling ball. Maybe we can get Fogel Labs to give it a
    try and video the results. Anybody got an old undamaged helmet or two
    to send to Carl?

    [snip]

    Dear Tim,

    Fogel Labs has no bowling equipment, but the experiment probably isn't
    worth pursuing.

    A head inside a helmet is practically guaranteed to fit without
    putting spreading pressure on the sides of the helmet.

    Heads are longer than they are wide--look at any reasonably
    well-fitting stiff hat. (Soft caps simply bend to fit the noggin.)

    In contrast, a bowling ball is round. If large enough, it should
    easily crack a typical bicycle helmet against the floor by acting as a
    blunt wedge.

    Most bicycle helmet manufacturers recommend replacing any helmet
    dropped on the ground, since they crack easily. Fewer and fewer
    bicycle helmets pass even the watered-down recent tests, none of which
    ever matched the force of a six-foot rider toppling over sideways
    after forgetting to unclip at a stop light.

    Curiously, toppling over sideways (as opposed to a free fall drop)
    produces a greater acceleration and impact for the end (or head) of
    the thing toppling.

    (This is why tall chimneys break as they fall. They're not stiff
    enough to accelerate the upper part without breaking. Think of a
    felexible rod--the end lags behind if you wave it.)

    As others have calculated in earlier threads, the far end of a
    toppling board hits the ground at 3/2 or 150% of the speed it would
    strike if dropped in free fall from the same height.

    Since kinetic energy for the same mass increases with the square of
    the velocity, this means 9/4 or 225% of the original impact energy of
    100%.

    An object (such as a severed head in a helmet) dropping free for the 5
    feet often mentioned will hit the ground at 17.93 feet per second, or
    12.2 mph.

    The same object falling over sideways on a pole (closer to how heads
    actually hit the ground when bike frames are between legs) will land
    at 3/2 that speed, about 27 feet per second, or 18.4 mph.

    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/traj.html

    Given the flexibility of the human body, actual impacts should be
    somewhat less than the rigid-pole example, but still noticeably
    greater than free fall.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

    Aargh!

    I goofed free-fall versus topping. My careless mistake exaggerated the
    increased speed and force.

    A toppling column strikes the ground at the same speed as if it had
    been dropped in free-fall from 3/2 the height of the column.

    (That's 3/2 the height, not 3/2 as fast--my mistake.)

    This in turn works out to a 50% increase in kinetic energy.

    (That's 150% of the original, not 225% of the original--my mistake.)

    For example, a severed head in a helmet dropped in free fall from 5
    feet lands at 17.9 feet per second, but the end of toppling 5-foot
    column lands as if it had been dropped from 7.5 feet, 21.96 feet per
    second.

    The kinetic energy increases 50% (the speed increases by the square
    root of 1.5, 1.225 times as fast):

    speed ke
    5.0 feet of free-fall = 17.93 fps 17.93^2 = 321.5 X

    7.5 feet of free-fall = 21.96 fps 21.96^2 = 482.3 X
    (same as 5.0 topple) (x sqrt 1.5) (50% more whomp)

    The free-fall speeds can be checked here:

    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/traj.html

    And here's where Joe Riel explained that "To achieve the same velocity
    as the toppling rod, the horizontal rod must start at a height of
    3/2*l":

    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/564aad73e9e0cb44

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

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