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  1. The science of nutrition must is just awash with paradoxes, here are a
    few.

    ****

    Diet and disease--the Israeli paradox: possible dangers of a high
    omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid diet.

    Yam D, Eliraz A, Berry EM.

    Department of Membrane Research and Biophysics, Weizmann Institute of
    Science, Rehovot, Israel.

    Israel has one of the highest dietary polyunsaturated/saturated fat
    ratios in the world; the consumption of omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty
    acids (PUFA) is about 8% higher than in the USA, and 10-12% higher
    than in most European countries. In fact, Israeli Jews may be regarded
    as a population-based dietary experiment of the effect of a high
    omega-6 PUFA diet, a diet that until recently was widely recommended.
    Despite such national habits, there is paradoxically a high prevalence
    of cardiovascular diseases, hypertension, non-insulin-dependent
    diabetes mellitus and obesity-all diseases that are associated with
    hyperinsulinemia (HI) and insulin resistance (IR), and grouped
    together as the insulin resistance syndrome or syndrome X. There is
    also an increased cancer incidence and mortality rate, especially in
    women, compared with western countries. Studies suggest that high
    omega-6 linoleic acid consumption might aggravate HI and IR, in
    addition to being a substrate for lipid peroxidation and free radical
    formation. Thus, rather than being beneficial, high omega-6 PUFA diets
    may have some long-term side effects, within the cluster of
    hyperinsulinemia, atherosclerosis and tumorigenesis.

    *******

    THE FRENCH PARADOX

    When the situation in France is compared to that which is observed in
    the United States, we see that only a minority of the French
    population follows low-calorie diets.

    Further, the average French diet contains 30% more fat than the
    average American diet, and the French exercise very little or not at
    all. Yet, the weight of the average French citizen is considered ideal
    and France has one of the lowest rates of cardiovascular disease in
    the world, with only Japan having a slightly lower rate.

    This positive situation is presently being undermined in the youth
    population of France. Young people under the age of 25 have adopted
    American style eating habits, consuming much fast foods and sweet soft
    drinks.

    Numerous recent studies have shown this type of diet to be unnatural
    and unhealthy. More importantly the traditionally accepted dieting
    principles have proven to be completely in error.

    ******

    An Obesity Paradox

    CUTLER, Calif., March 4, 2004
    (AP) Farm worker Iris Caballero often has a hard time keeping the
    refrigerator and cupboard stocked with food. Yet, she's overweight and
    diabetic.

    She is a classic example of a modern-day paradox: as reliable access
    to healthy food declines, the likelihood of being overweight goes up.

    The working poor like Caballero often have no time for cooking, little
    money to buy fresh vegetables, and a long walk to the closest
    supermarket with a good produce section.

    "We have been pretending that it is easy to replace a diet of soft
    drinks and fast food with home-cooked meals, fresh fruits and
    vegetables," said Adam Drewnowski, a University of Washington
    epidemiology professor who has studied the problem.

    The problem is pronounced in what seems an unlikely place —
    California's Central Valley, where much of the nation's produce is
    grown. The valley also has some of the highest poverty rates.

    Although being overweight is usually associated with eating too much
    rather than with hunger, a growing body of research is showing that
    the people who have gained the most weight in the last decade tend to
    have the lowest incomes, and often go without the kind of food or the
    amount they need.

    Caballero's neighborhood mini-market in the isolated farming town of
    Cutler offers a full array of processed foods in colorful packages —
    and battered apples selling for 50 cents.

    "Many people can't afford to eat the produce they pick," said
    Drewnowski, who also heads a center for public nutrition. "These
    people are obese, frankly, because they have no money, and some diets
    are cheaper than others.

    "The message has been to blame people — 'you're not choosing well,
    you're not educated enough.' We forget there are people whose choices
    are severely limited by finances and time allocation."

    Caballero understands those limits and their consequences. During
    harvest season, she picks the grapes and oranges in the groves that
    surround this small town of Cutler. Fruit is available, and money is
    too. The family eats relatively well.

    During winter, jobs are scarce, so Caballero feeds her husband and
    three children the cheapest food she can get: potatoes, bread,
    tortillas.

    For Caballero, who has been diabetic since she was 19, the sugar-and
    fat-laden offerings of her local market are more than unhealthy:
    they're dangerous. Obesity is a leading risk factor for diabetes, an
    incurable condition in which the body can't break down sugars in the
    blood.

    Cutler Elementary, which Caballero's children attend, has so many
    diabetic kids that teachers recently had an emergency workshop on how
    to handle blood sugar highs and lows. This in a school where 100
    percent of the kids qualify for free school lunches.

    After a 15-year-old diabetic student became blind — one of the
    consequences of untreated diabetes — the school sought help. Now,
    Caballero and other farmworker mothers attend a free nutrition class
    that considers their culinary traditions, low budgets and lack of
    time.

    The women come because they know that the cheapest, fastest, most
    filling meal — the burger and soda that look so good at the end of a
    long day in the fields — is not the healthiest for their families.

    In the class, one of at least 10 groups Dolores Vallejo teaches each
    week, the Spanish-speaking mothers learn to read English-language
    labels. Vallejo points out that "high fructose corn syrup," "sucrose"
    and "dextrose" all mean azucar — sugar. She shows them several quick,
    inexpensive, low-fat recipes their families might enjoy, like
    vegetable chili.

    Unfortunately, most public health programs don't address such issues.
    As processed foods rich in sugar and fat have become cheaper than
    fruits and vegetables, the poor in particular are paying a high price
    with obesity rates shooting up, followed by diabetes.

    This is happening even as conditions associated with malnutrition —
    like anemia, caused by an iron deficiency in diets lacking leafy
    greens- continue to plague poor children, said Jay Battacharya, a
    health economics expert at Stanford University's medical school.

    Walking out of the nutrition class, Caballero and the other mothers
    said they appreciate the tips on healthy eating. But they still have
    to scrape to pay extra for real fruit juice instead of the punch they
    now know is mostly sugar and water. And they still have to walk four
    miles, often with their children, to and from the nearest supermarket,
    where fresh produce is plentiful and less expensive.

    Along the state highway linking Cutler to the supermarket in Orosi, a
    new sidewalk has just been laid — a testament to the women's efforts
    to feed their families better.

    "I want to feed my family better food," said Irene Flores, a
    farmworker with three children who stores large sacks of beans to eat
    during the winter. "My husband was asking me to buy lettuce, because
    he likes salads. How can I buy it at almost $2 a head?"

    ******

    A Swiss Paradox?
    Janet Raloff

    Gstaad, Switzerland, has gained renown for its challenging ski trails
    and celebrity sightings. Come summer, however, the area's slopes host
    cows, not skiers. It now appears that milk from those cows produces
    cheeses rich in some heart-healthy nutrients.

    Mention omega-3 fats and most people think of fish. Indeed, oily fish
    from cold ocean waters offer an especially rich source of these
    heart-healthy fats, which is why the American Heart Association
    recommends including fish in your diet.

    Where and on what Bossie grazes appears to make a big difference in
    heart-healthiness of cheeses made from her milk, a new study finds.
    USDA/Ken Hammond

    However, some plants also produce omega-3 fats in abundance. The
    carbon-chained backbone of these plant fats tend to be shorter than
    the 20- and 22-carbon version typical of fish oils, so the omega-3
    fats are different. On the other hand, chemical reactions in the body
    can elongate some plant fats to fishy lengths. Moreover, even at 18
    carbons, the plant-derived alpha-linolenic-acid (ALA) omega-3 can
    contribute to heart health, research has shown.

    In general, cheeses are fatty foods. However, Jürg H. Beer of the
    Canton Hospital in Baden, Switzerland, and his colleagues now report
    finding that cheeses produced in alpine areas around Gstaad hold a
    more heart-healthy mix of fats than do cheeses made from the milk of
    cows grazing at lower altitudes. Not only were alpine cheeses highest
    in omega-3 fats, such as ALA, but they also had relatively low
    concentrations of saturated fats and arachidonic acid, a fatty acid
    that can promote inflammation in the body. As an unanticipated
    benefit, cheeses made from the milk of grass-fed alpine cows exhibited
    the highest concentrations of the unusual trans fatty acid, conjugated
    linoleic acid, that a number of studies have linked with cancer
    prevention.

    Beer acknowledged to Science News Online that even alpine cheeses
    "can't compete with fish" as a source of omega-3 fatty acids. The
    plant-derived omega-3s aren't as abundant nor as consistently of the
    preferred length as the fatty acids from fish are. However, Beer
    notes, for people concerned about mercury contamination of fish or who
    just like cheese, alpine varieties appear to be a heart-healthy
    choice.

    Beer's team reports its new findings in the Jan. 6, 2004 Circulation.

    The alpine answer to the French paradox?

    Over the years, many studies have highlighted a conundrum: Though the
    typical French diet contains large amounts of butter, cream, and other
    foods rich in typically artery-clogging saturated fats, the French
    incidence of fatal heart attacks is low. To tease out why,
    epidemiologists have probed other aspects of the regional cuisine. At
    present, the leading candidate to explain what has come to be known as
    the French paradox is wine—a beverage that's a Gallic favorite and
    rich in heart-sparing antioxidants.

    Beer notes that alpine regions also have developed a reputation for
    longevity—something the locals attribute to their dairy-rich diet.
    Realizing that the grass-fed livestock might be grazing on
    omega-3–endowed plants, the internist decided to collaborate with the
    Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich to profile the fats in
    various cheeses.

    Altogether, the researchers sampled 12 alpine cheeses from the Gstaad
    region, 7 commercially made English Cheddars, 6 cheeses from cows
    whose diets had been supplemented with omega-3–rich linseeds, 7
    commercially made Emmentalers (what North Americans refer to as Swiss
    cheese), and 8 alpine cheeses made from the milk of cows that had
    received silage corn. The alpine cheeses are traditionally hard
    cheeses, unlike typical Emmentalers or Cheddars.

    The researchers observed a trend. Cheeses from the milk of purely
    grass-fed alpine cows had the best fat profile, followed by cheeses
    from silage-fed alpine cows and linseed-supplemented cows. Lowest in
    omega-3 fatty acids were the Emmentalers and then the Cheddars.
    Grass-based alpine cheese contained four times as much of the plant
    omega-3 ALA as did the Cheddar, more omega-3 fats in general, three
    times as much conjugated linoleic acid, and 20 percent less of the
    saturated fat palmitic acid.

    "Surprisingly," Beer's team notes, cheese from the milk of cows
    getting the linseed omega-3 supplement contained only half as much ALA
    as did cheeses from grass-fed alpine cows. Emmentalers contained only
    40 percent as much of this omega-3 fatty acid as alpine cheeses did.

    Most people living in industrialized countries consume an average of
    55 grams of cheese per day, the researchers say. That much Cheddar
    would supply 62 milligrams of ALA daily—a mere 22 percent as much as
    an equivalent amount of alpine cheese. In other words, just swapping
    one cheese for the other could increase daily ALA consumption by 210
    milligrams. The Swiss researchers cite data from a 1999 Harvard study
    indicating that increasing the ALA content of the U.S. diet by 210
    milligrams per day might cut the population's risk of fatal heart
    attacks by 15 to 20 percent.

    To test whether the ALA-rich alpine cheeses actually translate into
    beneficial changes in heart risk for people, Beer's team has begun a
    year-long study with local volunteers. If alpine cheeses indeed prove
    heart healthy, the researchers say they'll next try to answer the
    important questions of what aspects of climate, altitude, and
    livestock diet contribute to the dairy products' unusual fat profile.

    *******
    The Mexican Paradox

    by Sue Widemark

    Many of us have heard of the PIMA paradox - this is the fact that
    whereas the American PIMA Indians are the most obese population in the
    United States, their genetically similar sister tribe which moved down
    to Mexico, suffers no obesity at all! What is the difference? First,
    the Mexican PIMAs eat a high carbo, low fat diet and second, they have
    no cars or other modern conveniences so they get about 22 hours of
    hard labor each week. For example, it's not uncommon for the Mexican
    PIMA children to RUN to a school six miles away. For diversion, the
    adults, having no TV or cars, endulge in active running games. People

  2. Thanks for an interesting perspective.
    MikeV

    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The science of nutrition must is just awash with paradoxes, here


    are a

    Quoted message said:

    few.

    ****
    TC

  3. [email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Thanks for this Terry. But where did it ll come from? I like to save
    files from source. One thing that occured to me while quickly scanning
    (will read more thorougly at leisure) I think perhaps the French walk
    a whole lot more than we do. And bicycle too. As for the Israelis,
    there is a very high incidence of familial hypercholesterolemia
    (genetic) in that group: 1/67 heterozygous (www.emedicine.com). This
    cannot be controlled by diet and exercise. If...they have it.

    Zee

    Quoted message said:

    The science of nutrition must is just awash with paradoxes, here are a
    few.

    ****

    Diet and disease--the Israeli paradox: possible dangers of a high
    omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid diet.

    Yam D, Eliraz A, Berry EM.

    Department of Membrane Research and Biophysics, Weizmann Institute of
    Science, Rehovot, Israel.

    Israel has one of the highest dietary polyunsaturated/saturated fat
    ratios in the world; the consumption of omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty
    acids (PUFA) is about 8% higher than in the USA, and 10-12% higher
    than in most European countries. In fact, Israeli Jews may be regarded
    as a population-based dietary experiment of the effect of a high
    omega-6 PUFA diet, a diet that until recently was widely recommended.
    Despite such national habits, there is paradoxically a high prevalence
    of cardiovascular diseases, hypertension, non-insulin-dependent
    diabetes mellitus and obesity-all diseases that are associated with
    hyperinsulinemia (HI) and insulin resistance (IR), and grouped
    together as the insulin resistance syndrome or syndrome X. There is
    also an increased cancer incidence and mortality rate, especially in
    women, compared with western countries. Studies suggest that high
    omega-6 linoleic acid consumption might aggravate HI and IR, in
    addition to being a substrate for lipid peroxidation and free radical
    formation. Thus, rather than being beneficial, high omega-6 PUFA diets
    may have some long-term side effects, within the cluster of
    hyperinsulinemia, atherosclerosis and tumorigenesis.

    *******

    THE FRENCH PARADOX

    When the situation in France is compared to that which is observed in
    the United States, we see that only a minority of the French
    population follows low-calorie diets.

    Further, the average French diet contains 30% more fat than the
    average American diet, and the French exercise very little or not at
    all. Yet, the weight of the average French citizen is considered ideal
    and France has one of the lowest rates of cardiovascular disease in
    the world, with only Japan having a slightly lower rate.

    This positive situation is presently being undermined in the youth
    population of France. Young people under the age of 25 have adopted
    American style eating habits, consuming much fast foods and sweet soft
    drinks.

    Numerous recent studies have shown this type of diet to be unnatural
    and unhealthy. More importantly the traditionally accepted dieting
    principles have proven to be completely in error.

    ******

    An Obesity Paradox

    CUTLER, Calif., March 4, 2004
    (AP) Farm worker Iris Caballero often has a hard time keeping the
    refrigerator and cupboard stocked with food. Yet, she's overweight and
    diabetic.

    She is a classic example of a modern-day paradox: as reliable access
    to healthy food declines, the likelihood of being overweight goes up.

    The working poor like Caballero often have no time for cooking, little
    money to buy fresh vegetables, and a long walk to the closest
    supermarket with a good produce section.

    "We have been pretending that it is easy to replace a diet of soft
    drinks and fast food with home-cooked meals, fresh fruits and
    vegetables," said Adam Drewnowski, a University of Washington
    epidemiology professor who has studied the problem.

    The problem is pronounced in what seems an unlikely place ?
    California's Central Valley, where much of the nation's produce is
    grown. The valley also has some of the highest poverty rates.

    Although being overweight is usually associated with eating too much
    rather than with hunger, a growing body of research is showing that
    the people who have gained the most weight in the last decade tend to
    have the lowest incomes, and often go without the kind of food or the
    amount they need.

    Caballero's neighborhood mini-market in the isolated farming town of
    Cutler offers a full array of processed foods in colorful packages ?
    and battered apples selling for 50 cents.

    "Many people can't afford to eat the produce they pick," said
    Drewnowski, who also heads a center for public nutrition. "These
    people are obese, frankly, because they have no money, and some diets
    are cheaper than others.

    "The message has been to blame people ? 'you're not choosing well,
    you're not educated enough.' We forget there are people whose choices
    are severely limited by finances and time allocation."

    Caballero understands those limits and their consequences. During
    harvest season, she picks the grapes and oranges in the groves that
    surround this small town of Cutler. Fruit is available, and money is
    too. The family eats relatively well.

    During winter, jobs are scarce, so Caballero feeds her husband and
    three children the cheapest food she can get: potatoes, bread,
    tortillas.

    For Caballero, who has been diabetic since she was 19, the sugar-and
    fat-laden offerings of her local market are more than unhealthy:
    they're dangerous. Obesity is a leading risk factor for diabetes, an
    incurable condition in which the body can't break down sugars in the
    blood.

    Cutler Elementary, which Caballero's children attend, has so many
    diabetic kids that teachers recently had an emergency workshop on how
    to handle blood sugar highs and lows. This in a school where 100
    percent of the kids qualify for free school lunches.

    After a 15-year-old diabetic student became blind ? one of the
    consequences of untreated diabetes ? the school sought help. Now,
    Caballero and other farmworker mothers attend a free nutrition class
    that considers their culinary traditions, low budgets and lack of
    time.

    The women come because they know that the cheapest, fastest, most
    filling meal ? the burger and soda that look so good at the end of a
    long day in the fields ? is not the healthiest for their families.

    In the class, one of at least 10 groups Dolores Vallejo teaches each
    week, the Spanish-speaking mothers learn to read English-language
    labels. Vallejo points out that "high fructose corn syrup," "sucrose"
    and "dextrose" all mean azucar ? sugar. She shows them several quick,
    inexpensive, low-fat recipes their families might enjoy, like
    vegetable chili.

    Unfortunately, most public health programs don't address such issues.
    As processed foods rich in sugar and fat have become cheaper than
    fruits and vegetables, the poor in particular are paying a high price
    with obesity rates shooting up, followed by diabetes.

    This is happening even as conditions associated with malnutrition ?
    like anemia, caused by an iron deficiency in diets lacking leafy
    greens- continue to plague poor children, said Jay Battacharya, a
    health economics expert at Stanford University's medical school.

    Walking out of the nutrition class, Caballero and the other mothers
    said they appreciate the tips on healthy eating. But they still have
    to scrape to pay extra for real fruit juice instead of the punch they
    now know is mostly sugar and water. And they still have to walk four
    miles, often with their children, to and from the nearest supermarket,
    where fresh produce is plentiful and less expensive.

    Along the state highway linking Cutler to the supermarket in Orosi, a
    new sidewalk has just been laid ? a testament to the women's efforts
    to feed their families better.

    "I want to feed my family better food," said Irene Flores, a
    farmworker with three children who stores large sacks of beans to eat
    during the winter. "My husband was asking me to buy lettuce, because
    he likes salads. How can I buy it at almost $2 a head?"

    ******

    A Swiss Paradox?
    Janet Raloff

    Gstaad, Switzerland, has gained renown for its challenging ski trails
    and celebrity sightings. Come summer, however, the area's slopes host
    cows, not skiers. It now appears that milk from those cows produces
    cheeses rich in some heart-healthy nutrients.

    Mention omega-3 fats and most people think of fish. Indeed, oily fish
    from cold ocean waters offer an especially rich source of these
    heart-healthy fats, which is why the American Heart Association
    recommends including fish in your diet.

    Where and on what Bossie grazes appears to make a big difference in
    heart-healthiness of cheeses made from her milk, a new study finds.
    USDA/Ken Hammond

    However, some plants also produce omega-3 fats in abundance. The
    carbon-chained backbone of these plant fats tend to be shorter than
    the 20- and 22-carbon version typical of fish oils, so the omega-3
    fats are different. On the other hand, chemical reactions in the body
    can elongate some plant fats to fishy lengths. Moreover, even at 18
    carbons, the plant-derived alpha-linolenic-acid (ALA) omega-3 can
    contribute to heart health, research has shown.

    In general, cheeses are fatty foods. However, Jürg H. Beer of the
    Canton Hospital in Baden, Switzerland, and his colleagues now report
    finding that cheeses produced in alpine areas around Gstaad hold a
    more heart-healthy mix of fats than do cheeses made from the milk of
    cows grazing at lower altitudes. Not only were alpine cheeses highest
    in omega-3 fats, such as ALA, but they also had relatively low
    concentrations of saturated fats and arachidonic acid, a fatty acid
    that can promote inflammation in the body. As an unanticipated
    benefit, cheeses made from the milk of grass-fed alpine cows exhibited
    the highest concentrations of the unusual trans fatty acid, conjugated
    linoleic acid, that a number of studies have linked with cancer
    prevention.

    Beer acknowledged to Science News Online that even alpine cheeses
    "can't compete with fish" as a source of omega-3 fatty acids. The
    plant-derived omega-3s aren't as abundant nor as consistently of the
    preferred length as the fatty acids from fish are. However, Beer
    notes, for people concerned about mercury contamination of fish or who
    just like cheese, alpine varieties appear to be a heart-healthy
    choice.

    Beer's team reports its new findings in the Jan. 6, 2004 Circulation.

    The alpine answer to the French paradox?

    Over the years, many studies have highlighted a conundrum: Though the
    typical French diet contains large amounts of butter, cream, and other
    foods rich in typically artery-clogging saturated fats, the French
    incidence of fatal heart attacks is low. To tease out why,
    epidemiologists have probed other aspects of the regional cuisine. At
    present, the leading candidate to explain what has come to be known as
    the French paradox is wine?a beverage that's a Gallic favorite and
    rich in heart-sparing antioxidants.

    Beer notes that alpine regions also have developed a reputation for
    longevity?something the locals attribute to their dairy-rich diet.
    Realizing that the grass-fed livestock might be grazing on
    omega-3?endowed plants, the internist decided to collaborate with the
    Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich to profile the fats in
    various cheeses.

    Altogether, the researchers sampled 12 alpine cheeses from the Gstaad
    region, 7 commercially made English Cheddars, 6 cheeses from cows
    whose diets had been supplemented with omega-3?rich linseeds, 7
    commercially made Emmentalers (what North Americans refer to as Swiss
    cheese), and 8 alpine cheeses made from the milk of cows that had
    received silage corn. The alpine cheeses are traditionally hard
    cheeses, unlike typical Emmentalers or Cheddars.

    The researchers observed a trend. Cheeses from the milk of purely
    grass-fed alpine cows had the best fat profile, followed by cheeses
    from silage-fed alpine cows and linseed-supplemented cows. Lowest in
    omega-3 fatty acids were the Emmentalers and then the Cheddars.
    Grass-based alpine cheese contained four times as much of the plant
    omega-3 ALA as did the Cheddar, more omega-3 fats in general, three
    times as much conjugated linoleic acid, and 20 percent less of the
    saturated fat palmitic acid.

    "Surprisingly," Beer's team notes, cheese from the milk of cows
    getting the linseed omega-3 supplement contained only half as much ALA
    as did cheeses from grass-fed alpine cows. Emmentalers contained only
    40 percent as much of this omega-3 fatty acid as alpine cheeses did.

    Most people living in industrialized countries consume an average of
    55 grams of cheese per day, the researchers say. That much Cheddar
    would supply 62 milligrams of ALA daily?a mere 22 percent as much as
    an equivalent amount of alpine cheese. In other words, just swapping
    one cheese for the other could increase daily ALA consumption by 210
    milligrams. The Swiss researchers cite data from a 1999 Harvard study
    indicating that increasing the ALA content of the U.S. diet by 210
    milligrams per day might cut the population's risk of fatal heart
    attacks by 15 to 20 percent.

    To test whether the ALA-rich alpine cheeses actually translate into
    beneficial changes in heart risk for people, Beer's team has begun a
    year-long study with local volunteers. If alpine cheeses indeed prove
    heart healthy, the researchers say they'll next try to answer the
    important questions of what aspects of climate, altitude, and
    livestock diet contribute to the dairy products' unusual fat profile.

  4. [email hidden] (fresh~horses) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Thanks for this Terry. But where did it ll come from? I like to save
    files from source. One thing that occured to me while quickly scanning
    (will read more thorougly at leisure) I think perhaps the French walk
    a whole lot more than we do. And bicycle too. As for the Israelis,
    there is a very high incidence of familial hypercholesterolemia
    (genetic) in that group: 1/67 heterozygous (www.emedicine.com). This
    cannot be controlled by diet and exercise. If...they have it.

    Zee

    Quoted message said:

    The science of nutrition must is just awash with paradoxes, here are a
    few.

    ****

    Diet and disease--the Israeli paradox: possible dangers of a high
    omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid diet.

    Yam D, Eliraz A, Berry EM.

    Department of Membrane Research and Biophysics, Weizmann Institute of
    Science, Rehovot, Israel.

    Israel has one of the highest dietary polyunsaturated/saturated fat
    ratios in the world; the consumption of omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty
    acids (PUFA) is about 8% higher than in the USA, and 10-12% higher
    than in most European countries. In fact, Israeli Jews may be regarded
    as a population-based dietary experiment of the effect of a high
    omega-6 PUFA diet, a diet that until recently was widely recommended.
    Despite such national habits, there is paradoxically a high prevalence
    of cardiovascular diseases, hypertension, non-insulin-dependent
    diabetes mellitus and obesity-all diseases that are associated with
    hyperinsulinemia (HI) and insulin resistance (IR), and grouped
    together as the insulin resistance syndrome or syndrome X. There is
    also an increased cancer incidence and mortality rate, especially in
    women, compared with western countries. Studies suggest that high
    omega-6 linoleic acid consumption might aggravate HI and IR, in
    addition to being a substrate for lipid peroxidation and free radical
    formation. Thus, rather than being beneficial, high omega-6 PUFA diets
    may have some long-term side effects, within the cluster of
    hyperinsulinemia, atherosclerosis and tumorigenesis.

    *******

    THE FRENCH PARADOX

    When the situation in France is compared to that which is observed in
    the United States, we see that only a minority of the French
    population follows low-calorie diets.

    Further, the average French diet contains 30% more fat than the
    average American diet, and the French exercise very little or not at
    all. Yet, the weight of the average French citizen is considered ideal
    and France has one of the lowest rates of cardiovascular disease in
    the world, with only Japan having a slightly lower rate.

    This positive situation is presently being undermined in the youth
    population of France. Young people under the age of 25 have adopted
    American style eating habits, consuming much fast foods and sweet soft
    drinks.

    Numerous recent studies have shown this type of diet to be unnatural
    and unhealthy. More importantly the traditionally accepted dieting
    principles have proven to be completely in error.

    ******

    An Obesity Paradox

    CUTLER, Calif., March 4, 2004
    (AP) Farm worker Iris Caballero often has a hard time keeping the
    refrigerator and cupboard stocked with food. Yet, she's overweight and
    diabetic.

    She is a classic example of a modern-day paradox: as reliable access
    to healthy food declines, the likelihood of being overweight goes up.

    The working poor like Caballero often have no time for cooking, little
    money to buy fresh vegetables, and a long walk to the closest
    supermarket with a good produce section.

    "We have been pretending that it is easy to replace a diet of soft
    drinks and fast food with home-cooked meals, fresh fruits and
    vegetables," said Adam Drewnowski, a University of Washington
    epidemiology professor who has studied the problem.

    The problem is pronounced in what seems an unlikely place ?
    California's Central Valley, where much of the nation's produce is
    grown. The valley also has some of the highest poverty rates.

    Although being overweight is usually associated with eating too much
    rather than with hunger, a growing body of research is showing that
    the people who have gained the most weight in the last decade tend to
    have the lowest incomes, and often go without the kind of food or the
    amount they need.

    Caballero's neighborhood mini-market in the isolated farming town of
    Cutler offers a full array of processed foods in colorful packages ?
    and battered apples selling for 50 cents.

    "Many people can't afford to eat the produce they pick," said
    Drewnowski, who also heads a center for public nutrition. "These
    people are obese, frankly, because they have no money, and some diets
    are cheaper than others.

    "The message has been to blame people ? 'you're not choosing well,
    you're not educated enough.' We forget there are people whose choices
    are severely limited by finances and time allocation."

    Caballero understands those limits and their consequences. During
    harvest season, she picks the grapes and oranges in the groves that
    surround this small town of Cutler. Fruit is available, and money is
    too. The family eats relatively well.

    During winter, jobs are scarce, so Caballero feeds her husband and
    three children the cheapest food she can get: potatoes, bread,
    tortillas.

    For Caballero, who has been diabetic since she was 19, the sugar-and
    fat-laden offerings of her local market are more than unhealthy:
    they're dangerous. Obesity is a leading risk factor for diabetes, an
    incurable condition in which the body can't break down sugars in the
    blood.

    Cutler Elementary, which Caballero's children attend, has so many
    diabetic kids that teachers recently had an emergency workshop on how
    to handle blood sugar highs and lows. This in a school where 100
    percent of the kids qualify for free school lunches.

    After a 15-year-old diabetic student became blind ? one of the
    consequences of untreated diabetes ? the school sought help. Now,
    Caballero and other farmworker mothers attend a free nutrition class
    that considers their culinary traditions, low budgets and lack of
    time.

    The women come because they know that the cheapest, fastest, most
    filling meal ? the burger and soda that look so good at the end of a
    long day in the fields ? is not the healthiest for their families.

    In the class, one of at least 10 groups Dolores Vallejo teaches each
    week, the Spanish-speaking mothers learn to read English-language
    labels. Vallejo points out that "high fructose corn syrup," "sucrose"
    and "dextrose" all mean azucar ? sugar. She shows them several quick,
    inexpensive, low-fat recipes their families might enjoy, like
    vegetable chili.

    Unfortunately, most public health programs don't address such issues.
    As processed foods rich in sugar and fat have become cheaper than
    fruits and vegetables, the poor in particular are paying a high price
    with obesity rates shooting up, followed by diabetes.

    This is happening even as conditions associated with malnutrition ?
    like anemia, caused by an iron deficiency in diets lacking leafy
    greens- continue to plague poor children, said Jay Battacharya, a
    health economics expert at Stanford University's medical school.

    Walking out of the nutrition class, Caballero and the other mothers
    said they appreciate the tips on healthy eating. But they still have
    to scrape to pay extra for real fruit juice instead of the punch they
    now know is mostly sugar and water. And they still have to walk four
    miles, often with their children, to and from the nearest supermarket,
    where fresh produce is plentiful and less expensive.

    Along the state highway linking Cutler to the supermarket in Orosi, a
    new sidewalk has just been laid ? a testament to the women's efforts
    to feed their families better.

    "I want to feed my family better food," said Irene Flores, a
    farmworker with three children who stores large sacks of beans to eat
    during the winter. "My husband was asking me to buy lettuce, because
    he likes salads. How can I buy it at almost $2 a head?"

    ******

    A Swiss Paradox?
    Janet Raloff

    Gstaad, Switzerland, has gained renown for its challenging ski trails
    and celebrity sightings. Come summer, however, the area's slopes host
    cows, not skiers. It now appears that milk from those cows produces
    cheeses rich in some heart-healthy nutrients.

    Mention omega-3 fats and most people think of fish. Indeed, oily fish
    from cold ocean waters offer an especially rich source of these
    heart-healthy fats, which is why the American Heart Association
    recommends including fish in your diet.

    Where and on what Bossie grazes appears to make a big difference in
    heart-healthiness of cheeses made from her milk, a new study finds.
    USDA/Ken Hammond

    However, some plants also produce omega-3 fats in abundance. The
    carbon-chained backbone of these plant fats tend to be shorter than
    the 20- and 22-carbon version typical of fish oils, so the omega-3
    fats are different. On the other hand, chemical reactions in the body
    can elongate some plant fats to fishy lengths. Moreover, even at 18
    carbons, the plant-derived alpha-linolenic-acid (ALA) omega-3 can
    contribute to heart health, research has shown.

    In general, cheeses are fatty foods. However, Jürg H. Beer of the
    Canton Hospital in Baden, Switzerland, and his colleagues now report
    finding that cheeses produced in alpine areas around Gstaad hold a
    more heart-healthy mix of fats than do cheeses made from the milk of
    cows grazing at lower altitudes. Not only were alpine cheeses highest
    in omega-3 fats, such as ALA, but they also had relatively low
    concentrations of saturated fats and arachidonic acid, a fatty acid
    that can promote inflammation in the body. As an unanticipated
    benefit, cheeses made from the milk of grass-fed alpine cows exhibited
    the highest concentrations of the unusual trans fatty acid, conjugated
    linoleic acid, that a number of studies have linked with cancer
    prevention.

    Beer acknowledged to Science News Online that even alpine cheeses
    "can't compete with fish" as a source of omega-3 fatty acids. The
    plant-derived omega-3s aren't as abundant nor as consistently of the
    preferred length as the fatty acids from fish are. However, Beer
    notes, for people concerned about mercury contamination of fish or who
    just like cheese, alpine varieties appear to be a heart-healthy
    choice.

    Beer's team reports its new findings in the Jan. 6, 2004 Circulation.

    The alpine answer to the French paradox?

    Over the years, many studies have highlighted a conundrum: Though the
    typical French diet contains large amounts of butter, cream, and other
    foods rich in typically artery-clogging saturated fats, the French
    incidence of fatal heart attacks is low. To tease out why,
    epidemiologists have probed other aspects of the regional cuisine. At
    present, the leading candidate to explain what has come to be known as
    the French paradox is wine?a beverage that's a Gallic favorite and
    rich in heart-sparing antioxidants.

    Beer notes that alpine regions also have developed a reputation for
    longevity?something the locals attribute to their dairy-rich diet.
    Realizing that the grass-fed livestock might be grazing on
    omega-3?endowed plants, the internist decided to collaborate with the
    Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich to profile the fats in
    various cheeses.

    Altogether, the researchers sampled 12 alpine cheeses from the Gstaad
    region, 7 commercially made English Cheddars, 6 cheeses from cows
    whose diets had been supplemented with omega-3?rich linseeds, 7
    commercially made Emmentalers (what North Americans refer to as Swiss
    cheese), and 8 alpine cheeses made from the milk of cows that had
    received silage corn. The alpine cheeses are traditionally hard
    cheeses, unlike typical Emmentalers or Cheddars.

    The researchers observed a trend. Cheeses from the milk of purely
    grass-fed alpine cows had the best fat profile, followed by cheeses
    from silage-fed alpine cows and linseed-supplemented cows. Lowest in
    omega-3 fatty acids were the Emmentalers and then the Cheddars.
    Grass-based alpine cheese contained four times as much of the plant
    omega-3 ALA as did the Cheddar, more omega-3 fats in general, three
    times as much conjugated linoleic acid, and 20 percent less of the
    saturated fat palmitic acid.

    "Surprisingly," Beer's team notes, cheese from the milk of cows
    getting the linseed omega-3 supplement contained only half as much ALA
    as did cheeses from grass-fed alpine cows. Emmentalers contained only
    40 percent as much of this omega-3 fatty acid as alpine cheeses did.

    Most people living in industrialized countries consume an average of
    55 grams of cheese per day, the researchers say. That much Cheddar
    would supply 62 milligrams of ALA daily?a mere 22 percent as much as
    an equivalent amount of alpine cheese. In other words, just swapping
    one cheese for the other could increase daily ALA consumption by 210
    milligrams. The Swiss researchers cite data from a 1999 Harvard study
    indicating that increasing the ALA content of the U.S. diet by 210
    milligrams per day might cut the population's risk of fatal heart
    attacks by 15 to 20 percent.

    To test whether the ALA-rich alpine cheeses actually translate into
    beneficial changes in heart risk for people, Beer's team has begun a
    year-long study with local volunteers. If alpine cheeses indeed prove
    heart healthy, the researchers say they'll next try to answer the
    important questions of what aspects of climate, altitude, and

  5. Sorry 'bout that. I usually include the links but I just wanted to
    bring attention the the plethora of paradoxes within the "science"
    (yeah, right) of nutrition.

    You should be able to take one of the texts I copied and google it to
    find the source.

    TC

    [email hidden] (fresh~horses) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Thanks for this Terry. But where did it ll come from? I like to save
    files from source. One thing that occured to me while quickly scanning
    (will read more thorougly at leisure) I think perhaps the French walk
    a whole lot more than we do. And bicycle too. As for the Israelis,
    there is a very high incidence of familial hypercholesterolemia
    (genetic) in that group: 1/67 heterozygous (www.emedicine.com). This
    cannot be controlled by diet and exercise. If...they have it.

    Zee

    Quoted message said:

    The science of nutrition must is just awash with paradoxes, here are a
    few.

    ****

    Diet and disease--the Israeli paradox: possible dangers of a high
    omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid diet.

    <snip>

  6. What is the common thread amongst these paradoxes?

    IMO, if you believe that fat is evil and carbs (including refined
    carbs) are heavenly then these are all paradoxes and they will remain
    unfathomable paradoxes forever.

    If you believe that fresh, natural foods are healthy and manufactured
    foods are evil, then it all makes sense.

    The sick populations (ie. westernized countries) eat fake fats like
    shortening, margarine, canola oils or they *restrict* fats in general.
    They eat sugar and refined white flours, RTE cereals, etc in HUGE
    quantities. High-carb diets. And they eat meats that are raised on
    pelletized feeds. The animals raised are raised in mass feeding
    operations in relatively confined space with mass medication programs.
    And they eat only the select cuts of meat which are less nutrient
    dense than the internal organs and the specialty meats.

    The healthy populations are much closer to the soil. They eat lots of
    natural healthy fats. Look at the french, pate de foie gras, pork fat,
    duck fat, butter, cream sausces, etc. They eat much less sugar and
    white flour, and when they do, it is less than in the west and with
    much more butter or fat in their recipes. They eat little or no RTE
    cereals, and much less soda. The meat they eat is from family farm
    style operations. The animals they eat are healthier, better fed, and
    of a greater variety, and are not raised in intensive livestock
    operations. And they eat more internal organs and more of the
    specialty meats which are much more nutrient dense.

    Their food is fresher. Most continental europeans pick up their
    groceries fresh every day and cook them right away. They fixate on the
    quality and freshness of their food while westerners don't. Westerners
    seem to instinctively need to have their food manufactured, processed
    and packaged to such a point that it becomes non-food.

    TC

    [email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    The science of nutrition must is just awash with paradoxes, here are a
    few.

    ****

    Diet and disease--the Israeli paradox: possible dangers of a high
    omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid diet.

    Yam D, Eliraz A, Berry EM.

    Department of Membrane Research and Biophysics, Weizmann Institute of
    Science, Rehovot, Israel.

    Israel has one of the highest dietary polyunsaturated/saturated fat
    ratios in the world; the consumption of omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty
    acids (PUFA) is about 8% higher than in the USA, and 10-12% higher
    than in most European countries. In fact, Israeli Jews may be regarded
    as a population-based dietary experiment of the effect of a high
    omega-6 PUFA diet, a diet that until recently was widely recommended.
    Despite such national habits, there is paradoxically a high prevalence
    of cardiovascular diseases, hypertension, non-insulin-dependent
    diabetes mellitus and obesity-all diseases that are associated with
    hyperinsulinemia (HI) and insulin resistance (IR), and grouped
    together as the insulin resistance syndrome or syndrome X. There is
    also an increased cancer incidence and mortality rate, especially in
    women, compared with western countries. Studies suggest that high
    omega-6 linoleic acid consumption might aggravate HI and IR, in
    addition to being a substrate for lipid peroxidation and free radical
    formation. Thus, rather than being beneficial, high omega-6 PUFA diets
    may have some long-term side effects, within the cluster of
    hyperinsulinemia, atherosclerosis and tumorigenesis.

    *******

    THE FRENCH PARADOX

    When the situation in France is compared to that which is observed in
    the United States, we see that only a minority of the French
    population follows low-calorie diets.

    Further, the average French diet contains 30% more fat than the
    average American diet, and the French exercise very little or not at
    all. Yet, the weight of the average French citizen is considered ideal
    and France has one of the lowest rates of cardiovascular disease in
    the world, with only Japan having a slightly lower rate.

    This positive situation is presently being undermined in the youth
    population of France. Young people under the age of 25 have adopted
    American style eating habits, consuming much fast foods and sweet soft
    drinks.

    Numerous recent studies have shown this type of diet to be unnatural
    and unhealthy. More importantly the traditionally accepted dieting
    principles have proven to be completely in error.

    ******

    An Obesity Paradox

    CUTLER, Calif., March 4, 2004
    (AP) Farm worker Iris Caballero often has a hard time keeping the
    refrigerator and cupboard stocked with food. Yet, she's overweight and
    diabetic.

    She is a classic example of a modern-day paradox: as reliable access
    to healthy food declines, the likelihood of being overweight goes up.

    The working poor like Caballero often have no time for cooking, little
    money to buy fresh vegetables, and a long walk to the closest
    supermarket with a good produce section.

    "We have been pretending that it is easy to replace a diet of soft
    drinks and fast food with home-cooked meals, fresh fruits and
    vegetables," said Adam Drewnowski, a University of Washington
    epidemiology professor who has studied the problem.

    The problem is pronounced in what seems an unlikely place ?
    California's Central Valley, where much of the nation's produce is
    grown. The valley also has some of the highest poverty rates.

    Although being overweight is usually associated with eating too much
    rather than with hunger, a growing body of research is showing that
    the people who have gained the most weight in the last decade tend to
    have the lowest incomes, and often go without the kind of food or the
    amount they need.

    Caballero's neighborhood mini-market in the isolated farming town of
    Cutler offers a full array of processed foods in colorful packages ?
    and battered apples selling for 50 cents.

    "Many people can't afford to eat the produce they pick," said
    Drewnowski, who also heads a center for public nutrition. "These
    people are obese, frankly, because they have no money, and some diets
    are cheaper than others.

    "The message has been to blame people ? 'you're not choosing well,
    you're not educated enough.' We forget there are people whose choices
    are severely limited by finances and time allocation."

    Caballero understands those limits and their consequences. During
    harvest season, she picks the grapes and oranges in the groves that
    surround this small town of Cutler. Fruit is available, and money is
    too. The family eats relatively well.

    During winter, jobs are scarce, so Caballero feeds her husband and
    three children the cheapest food she can get: potatoes, bread,
    tortillas.

    For Caballero, who has been diabetic since she was 19, the sugar-and
    fat-laden offerings of her local market are more than unhealthy:
    they're dangerous. Obesity is a leading risk factor for diabetes, an
    incurable condition in which the body can't break down sugars in the
    blood.

    Cutler Elementary, which Caballero's children attend, has so many
    diabetic kids that teachers recently had an emergency workshop on how
    to handle blood sugar highs and lows. This in a school where 100
    percent of the kids qualify for free school lunches.

    After a 15-year-old diabetic student became blind ? one of the
    consequences of untreated diabetes ? the school sought help. Now,
    Caballero and other farmworker mothers attend a free nutrition class
    that considers their culinary traditions, low budgets and lack of
    time.

    The women come because they know that the cheapest, fastest, most
    filling meal ? the burger and soda that look so good at the end of a
    long day in the fields ? is not the healthiest for their families.

    In the class, one of at least 10 groups Dolores Vallejo teaches each
    week, the Spanish-speaking mothers learn to read English-language
    labels. Vallejo points out that "high fructose corn syrup," "sucrose"
    and "dextrose" all mean azucar ? sugar. She shows them several quick,
    inexpensive, low-fat recipes their families might enjoy, like
    vegetable chili.

    Unfortunately, most public health programs don't address such issues.
    As processed foods rich in sugar and fat have become cheaper than
    fruits and vegetables, the poor in particular are paying a high price
    with obesity rates shooting up, followed by diabetes.

    This is happening even as conditions associated with malnutrition ?
    like anemia, caused by an iron deficiency in diets lacking leafy
    greens- continue to plague poor children, said Jay Battacharya, a
    health economics expert at Stanford University's medical school.

    Walking out of the nutrition class, Caballero and the other mothers
    said they appreciate the tips on healthy eating. But they still have
    to scrape to pay extra for real fruit juice instead of the punch they
    now know is mostly sugar and water. And they still have to walk four
    miles, often with their children, to and from the nearest supermarket,
    where fresh produce is plentiful and less expensive.

    Along the state highway linking Cutler to the supermarket in Orosi, a
    new sidewalk has just been laid ? a testament to the women's efforts
    to feed their families better.

    "I want to feed my family better food," said Irene Flores, a
    farmworker with three children who stores large sacks of beans to eat
    during the winter. "My husband was asking me to buy lettuce, because
    he likes salads. How can I buy it at almost $2 a head?"

    ******

    A Swiss Paradox?
    Janet Raloff

    Gstaad, Switzerland, has gained renown for its challenging ski trails
    and celebrity sightings. Come summer, however, the area's slopes host
    cows, not skiers. It now appears that milk from those cows produces
    cheeses rich in some heart-healthy nutrients.

    Mention omega-3 fats and most people think of fish. Indeed, oily fish
    from cold ocean waters offer an especially rich source of these
    heart-healthy fats, which is why the American Heart Association
    recommends including fish in your diet.

    Where and on what Bossie grazes appears to make a big difference in
    heart-healthiness of cheeses made from her milk, a new study finds.
    USDA/Ken Hammond

    However, some plants also produce omega-3 fats in abundance. The
    carbon-chained backbone of these plant fats tend to be shorter than
    the 20- and 22-carbon version typical of fish oils, so the omega-3
    fats are different. On the other hand, chemical reactions in the body
    can elongate some plant fats to fishy lengths. Moreover, even at 18
    carbons, the plant-derived alpha-linolenic-acid (ALA) omega-3 can
    contribute to heart health, research has shown.

    In general, cheeses are fatty foods. However, Jürg H. Beer of the
    Canton Hospital in Baden, Switzerland, and his colleagues now report
    finding that cheeses produced in alpine areas around Gstaad hold a
    more heart-healthy mix of fats than do cheeses made from the milk of
    cows grazing at lower altitudes. Not only were alpine cheeses highest
    in omega-3 fats, such as ALA, but they also had relatively low
    concentrations of saturated fats and arachidonic acid, a fatty acid
    that can promote inflammation in the body. As an unanticipated
    benefit, cheeses made from the milk of grass-fed alpine cows exhibited
    the highest concentrations of the unusual trans fatty acid, conjugated
    linoleic acid, that a number of studies have linked with cancer
    prevention.

    Beer acknowledged to Science News Online that even alpine cheeses
    "can't compete with fish" as a source of omega-3 fatty acids. The
    plant-derived omega-3s aren't as abundant nor as consistently of the
    preferred length as the fatty acids from fish are. However, Beer
    notes, for people concerned about mercury contamination of fish or who
    just like cheese, alpine varieties appear to be a heart-healthy
    choice.

    Beer's team reports its new findings in the Jan. 6, 2004 Circulation.

    The alpine answer to the French paradox?

    Over the years, many studies have highlighted a conundrum: Though the
    typical French diet contains large amounts of butter, cream, and other
    foods rich in typically artery-clogging saturated fats, the French
    incidence of fatal heart attacks is low. To tease out why,
    epidemiologists have probed other aspects of the regional cuisine. At
    present, the leading candidate to explain what has come to be known as
    the French paradox is wine?a beverage that's a Gallic favorite and
    rich in heart-sparing antioxidants.

    Beer notes that alpine regions also have developed a reputation for
    longevity?something the locals attribute to their dairy-rich diet.
    Realizing that the grass-fed livestock might be grazing on
    omega-3?endowed plants, the internist decided to collaborate with the
    Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich to profile the fats in
    various cheeses.

    Altogether, the researchers sampled 12 alpine cheeses from the Gstaad
    region, 7 commercially made English Cheddars, 6 cheeses from cows
    whose diets had been supplemented with omega-3?rich linseeds, 7
    commercially made Emmentalers (what North Americans refer to as Swiss
    cheese), and 8 alpine cheeses made from the milk of cows that had
    received silage corn. The alpine cheeses are traditionally hard
    cheeses, unlike typical Emmentalers or Cheddars.

    The researchers observed a trend. Cheeses from the milk of purely
    grass-fed alpine cows had the best fat profile, followed by cheeses
    from silage-fed alpine cows and linseed-supplemented cows. Lowest in
    omega-3 fatty acids were the Emmentalers and then the Cheddars.

  7. Articulately stated, TC.
    "CLOSER TO THE SOIL" A slogan for our times!
    You could "run" on that. Ever thought of emigrating? Peter Jennings
    and Pamela Anderson made a go of it. :-)
    MikeV

    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What is the common thread amongst these paradoxes?

    IMO, if you believe that fat is evil and carbs (including refined
    carbs) are heavenly then these are all paradoxes and they will


    remain

    Quoted message said:

    unfathomable paradoxes forever.

    If you believe that fresh, natural foods are healthy and


    manufactured

    Quoted message said:

    foods are evil, then it all makes sense.

    The sick populations (ie. westernized countries) eat fake fats


    like

    Quoted message said:

    shortening, margarine, canola oils or they *restrict* fats in


    general.

    Quoted message said:

    They eat sugar and refined white flours, RTE cereals, etc in HUGE
    quantities. High-carb diets. And they eat meats that are raised on
    pelletized feeds. The animals raised are raised in mass feeding
    operations in relatively confined space with mass medication


    programs.

    Quoted message said:

    And they eat only the select cuts of meat which are less nutrient
    dense than the internal organs and the specialty meats.

    The healthy populations are much closer to the soil. They eat lots


    of

    Quoted message said:

    natural healthy fats. Look at the french, pate de foie gras, pork


    fat,

    Quoted message said:

    duck fat, butter, cream sausces, etc. They eat much less sugar and
    white flour, and when they do, it is less than in the west and


    with

    Quoted message said:

    much more butter or fat in their recipes. They eat little or no


    RTE

    Quoted message said:

    cereals, and much less soda. The meat they eat is from family farm
    style operations. The animals they eat are healthier, better fed,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    of a greater variety, and are not raised in intensive livestock
    operations. And they eat more internal organs and more of the
    specialty meats which are much more nutrient dense.

    Their food is fresher. Most continental europeans pick up their
    groceries fresh every day and cook them right away. They fixate on


    the

    Quoted message said:

    quality and freshness of their food while westerners don't.


    Westerners

    Quoted message said:

    seem to instinctively need to have their food manufactured,


    processed

    Quoted message said:

    and packaged to such a point that it becomes non-food.

    TC

  8. I should emigrate and become a US citizen just to [censored] the
    anti-canada troll "Robert".

    Other canadians of note:

    Shania Twain - undisputed queen of country music
    Jim Carrey - greatest comedian ever
    Alec Trebek - top game show host ever
    Paul Shaffer - best talk-show bandleader ever
    Michael J Fox - top sit-com star
    Raymond Burr - best TV detective ever
    Rich Little - best voice man ever
    Lorne Greene - best cowboy on american tv ever
    Steve Smith - Red Green, top comedy on american tv

    Dan Aykroyd, Mike Myers, Phil Hartman, Leslie Neilsen, Mathew Perry,
    Martin Short, John Candy, Christopher Plummer, Colin Mochrie, Brenden
    Fraser, Hank Snow, William Shatner, Norm MacDonald, Jason Priestly,
    Neve Campbell, Jennifer Tilly, Caroline Rhea, Catherine O'Hara , Nelly
    Furtado, The Guess Who, BTO, Rush, Celine Dion, Neil Young, Glen
    Gould, Joni Mitchell, Avril Lavigne, Alanis Morrisette, Paul Anka,
    Bryan Adams, Anne Murray, James Naismith (invented basketball, Bret
    (the Hitman) Hart, Mario Lemieux, Wayne Gretsky, Bobby Orr, Elizabeth
    Arden, Alexander Graham Bell, Robert Goulet, Samuel Goldwyn
    Co-founder of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM), James Cameron wrote,
    directed, and produced the film Titanic, Lorne Michaels - Creator and
    executive producer of the show Saturday Night Live.

    Without Canadians, the US would be utterly bereft of culture.

    TC

    "MikeV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Articulately stated, TC.
    "CLOSER TO THE SOIL" A slogan for our times!
    You could "run" on that. Ever thought of emigrating? Peter Jennings
    and Pamela Anderson made a go of it. :-)
    MikeV

    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What is the common thread amongst these paradoxes?

    IMO, if you believe that fat is evil and carbs (including refined
    carbs) are heavenly then these are all paradoxes and they will


    remain

    Quoted message said:

    unfathomable paradoxes forever.

    If you believe that fresh, natural foods are healthy and


    manufactured

    Quoted message said:

    foods are evil, then it all makes sense.

    The sick populations (ie. westernized countries) eat fake fats


    like

    Quoted message said:

    shortening, margarine, canola oils or they *restrict* fats in


    general.

    Quoted message said:

    They eat sugar and refined white flours, RTE cereals, etc in HUGE
    quantities. High-carb diets. And they eat meats that are raised on
    pelletized feeds. The animals raised are raised in mass feeding
    operations in relatively confined space with mass medication


    programs.

    Quoted message said:

    And they eat only the select cuts of meat which are less nutrient
    dense than the internal organs and the specialty meats.

    The healthy populations are much closer to the soil. They eat lots


    of

    Quoted message said:

    natural healthy fats. Look at the french, pate de foie gras, pork


    fat,

    Quoted message said:

    duck fat, butter, cream sausces, etc. They eat much less sugar and
    white flour, and when they do, it is less than in the west and


    with

    Quoted message said:

    much more butter or fat in their recipes. They eat little or no


    RTE

    Quoted message said:

    cereals, and much less soda. The meat they eat is from family farm
    style operations. The animals they eat are healthier, better fed,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    of a greater variety, and are not raised in intensive livestock
    operations. And they eat more internal organs and more of the
    specialty meats which are much more nutrient dense.

    Their food is fresher. Most continental europeans pick up their
    groceries fresh every day and cook them right away. They fixate on


    the

    Quoted message said:

    quality and freshness of their food while westerners don't.


    Westerners

    Quoted message said:

    seem to instinctively need to have their food manufactured,


    processed

    Quoted message said:

    and packaged to such a point that it becomes non-food.

    TC

  9. On 9 Aug 2004 11:39:31 -0700, [email hidden] (Wolfbrother)

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Great post. I like the stuff on the AHA. Anyone who takes medical
    institutions like AHA AMA NIH and others seriously is just delusional.
    It is obvious they are nothing more than [censored] to the food industry,
    renting out their names to the highest bidder. It is absolutely
    sickening. Almost as sickening is the fact that so many fools have
    blinders on when it comes to corruption like this.

    Don't forget the NHLBI.

    Regards.

    Rob

  10. On 9 Aug 2004 22:43:25 -0700, [email hidden]

    (fresh~horses) said:

    [email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Thanks for this Terry. But where did it ll come from? I like to save
    files from source. One thing that occured to me while quickly scanning
    (will read more thorougly at leisure) I think perhaps the French walk
    a whole lot more than we do. And bicycle too. As for the Israelis,
    there is a very high incidence of familial hypercholesterolemia
    (genetic) in that group: 1/67 heterozygous (www.emedicine.com). This
    cannot be controlled by diet and exercise. If...they have it.

    Yes, the French eat smaller portions and are more active.

    Regards.

    Rob

  11. (tcomeau) said:

    Most continental europeans pick up their
    groceries fresh every day and cook them right away.

    And they also walk or cycle a great deal to get around. They also tend
    to eat less. Quite a bit less than we westerners. Our portion sizes
    here in Canada and the US are assinine!

    Regards.

    Rob

  12. (tcomeau) said:


    Without Canadians, the US would be utterly bereft of culture.

    ;o)

  13. RBR <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    (tcomeau) said:

    Most continental europeans pick up their
    groceries fresh every day and cook them right away.

    And they also walk or cycle a great deal to get around. They also tend
    to eat less. Quite a bit less than we westerners. Our portion sizes
    here in Canada and the US are assinine!

    Regards.

    Rob

    Since I've gone low-carb my portions have become surprisingly small. I
    never go for seconds and my firsts barely cover the bottom of my
    plate. No more plates overflowing with refined carbs that don't fill
    me. The more nutrient-dense wholefoods you eat the quicker you are
    satiated the less you eat overall.

    TC

  14. [email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Terry we here in Canada can't even get our Safeways et al to carry
    anything but produce from California and Florida. Why? Well because
    our supermarkets are American owned and refuse to carry Canadain
    produce with rare exception. Wonderful local produce from farms right
    outside our cities and yet Safeway et al have square green peaches
    from California and Washington. It all comes thousands of miles,
    wrapped, bubbled, squared, and three weeks old. Where's the nutrition
    in that? Buy local. Go to the farmer's markets, investigate food
    sharing with co-ops and farmers who sell shares for their organic
    pesticide free crops. Many have cold storage produce and organic meats
    and foul available from 'farm gate' all winter long. We just need to
    take a little time to make better choices, which nurture us and
    support our farmers.

    Zee

    Quoted message said:

    What is the common thread amongst these paradoxes?

    IMO, if you believe that fat is evil and carbs (including refined
    carbs) are heavenly then these are all paradoxes and they will remain
    unfathomable paradoxes forever.

    If you believe that fresh, natural foods are healthy and manufactured
    foods are evil, then it all makes sense.

    The sick populations (ie. westernized countries) eat fake fats like
    shortening, margarine, canola oils or they *restrict* fats in general.
    They eat sugar and refined white flours, RTE cereals, etc in HUGE
    quantities. High-carb diets. And they eat meats that are raised on
    pelletized feeds. The animals raised are raised in mass feeding
    operations in relatively confined space with mass medication programs.
    And they eat only the select cuts of meat which are less nutrient
    dense than the internal organs and the specialty meats.

    The healthy populations are much closer to the soil. They eat lots of
    natural healthy fats. Look at the french, pate de foie gras, pork fat,
    duck fat, butter, cream sausces, etc. They eat much less sugar and
    white flour, and when they do, it is less than in the west and with
    much more butter or fat in their recipes. They eat little or no RTE
    cereals, and much less soda. The meat they eat is from family farm
    style operations. The animals they eat are healthier, better fed, and
    of a greater variety, and are not raised in intensive livestock
    operations. And they eat more internal organs and more of the
    specialty meats which are much more nutrient dense.

    Their food is fresher. Most continental europeans pick up their
    groceries fresh every day and cook them right away. They fixate on the
    quality and freshness of their food while westerners don't. Westerners
    seem to instinctively need to have their food manufactured, processed
    and packaged to such a point that it becomes non-food.

    TC

    [email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    The science of nutrition must is just awash with paradoxes, here are a
    few.

    ****

    Diet and disease--the Israeli paradox: possible dangers of a high
    omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid diet.

    Yam D, Eliraz A, Berry EM.

    Department of Membrane Research and Biophysics, Weizmann Institute of
    Science, Rehovot, Israel.

    Israel has one of the highest dietary polyunsaturated/saturated fat
    ratios in the world; the consumption of omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty
    acids (PUFA) is about 8% higher than in the USA, and 10-12% higher
    than in most European countries. In fact, Israeli Jews may be regarded
    as a population-based dietary experiment of the effect of a high
    omega-6 PUFA diet, a diet that until recently was widely recommended.
    Despite such national habits, there is paradoxically a high prevalence
    of cardiovascular diseases, hypertension, non-insulin-dependent
    diabetes mellitus and obesity-all diseases that are associated with
    hyperinsulinemia (HI) and insulin resistance (IR), and grouped
    together as the insulin resistance syndrome or syndrome X. There is
    also an increased cancer incidence and mortality rate, especially in
    women, compared with western countries. Studies suggest that high
    omega-6 linoleic acid consumption might aggravate HI and IR, in
    addition to being a substrate for lipid peroxidation and free radical
    formation. Thus, rather than being beneficial, high omega-6 PUFA diets
    may have some long-term side effects, within the cluster of
    hyperinsulinemia, atherosclerosis and tumorigenesis.

    *******

    THE FRENCH PARADOX

    When the situation in France is compared to that which is observed in
    the United States, we see that only a minority of the French
    population follows low-calorie diets.

    Further, the average French diet contains 30% more fat than the
    average American diet, and the French exercise very little or not at
    all. Yet, the weight of the average French citizen is considered ideal
    and France has one of the lowest rates of cardiovascular disease in
    the world, with only Japan having a slightly lower rate.

    This positive situation is presently being undermined in the youth
    population of France. Young people under the age of 25 have adopted
    American style eating habits, consuming much fast foods and sweet soft
    drinks.

    Numerous recent studies have shown this type of diet to be unnatural
    and unhealthy. More importantly the traditionally accepted dieting
    principles have proven to be completely in error.

    ******

    An Obesity Paradox

    CUTLER, Calif., March 4, 2004
    (AP) Farm worker Iris Caballero often has a hard time keeping the
    refrigerator and cupboard stocked with food. Yet, she's overweight and
    diabetic.

    She is a classic example of a modern-day paradox: as reliable access
    to healthy food declines, the likelihood of being overweight goes up.

    The working poor like Caballero often have no time for cooking, little
    money to buy fresh vegetables, and a long walk to the closest
    supermarket with a good produce section.

    "We have been pretending that it is easy to replace a diet of soft
    drinks and fast food with home-cooked meals, fresh fruits and
    vegetables," said Adam Drewnowski, a University of Washington
    epidemiology professor who has studied the problem.

    The problem is pronounced in what seems an unlikely place ?
    California's Central Valley, where much of the nation's produce is
    grown. The valley also has some of the highest poverty rates.

    Although being overweight is usually associated with eating too much
    rather than with hunger, a growing body of research is showing that
    the people who have gained the most weight in the last decade tend to
    have the lowest incomes, and often go without the kind of food or the
    amount they need.

    Caballero's neighborhood mini-market in the isolated farming town of
    Cutler offers a full array of processed foods in colorful packages ?
    and battered apples selling for 50 cents.

    "Many people can't afford to eat the produce they pick," said
    Drewnowski, who also heads a center for public nutrition. "These
    people are obese, frankly, because they have no money, and some diets
    are cheaper than others.

    "The message has been to blame people ? 'you're not choosing well,
    you're not educated enough.' We forget there are people whose choices
    are severely limited by finances and time allocation."

    Caballero understands those limits and their consequences. During
    harvest season, she picks the grapes and oranges in the groves that
    surround this small town of Cutler. Fruit is available, and money is
    too. The family eats relatively well.

    During winter, jobs are scarce, so Caballero feeds her husband and
    three children the cheapest food she can get: potatoes, bread,
    tortillas.

    For Caballero, who has been diabetic since she was 19, the sugar-and
    fat-laden offerings of her local market are more than unhealthy:
    they're dangerous. Obesity is a leading risk factor for diabetes, an
    incurable condition in which the body can't break down sugars in the
    blood.

    Cutler Elementary, which Caballero's children attend, has so many
    diabetic kids that teachers recently had an emergency workshop on how
    to handle blood sugar highs and lows. This in a school where 100
    percent of the kids qualify for free school lunches.

    After a 15-year-old diabetic student became blind ? one of the
    consequences of untreated diabetes ? the school sought help. Now,
    Caballero and other farmworker mothers attend a free nutrition class
    that considers their culinary traditions, low budgets and lack of
    time.

    The women come because they know that the cheapest, fastest, most
    filling meal ? the burger and soda that look so good at the end of a
    long day in the fields ? is not the healthiest for their families.

    In the class, one of at least 10 groups Dolores Vallejo teaches each
    week, the Spanish-speaking mothers learn to read English-language
    labels. Vallejo points out that "high fructose corn syrup," "sucrose"
    and "dextrose" all mean azucar ? sugar. She shows them several quick,
    inexpensive, low-fat recipes their families might enjoy, like
    vegetable chili.

    Unfortunately, most public health programs don't address such issues.
    As processed foods rich in sugar and fat have become cheaper than
    fruits and vegetables, the poor in particular are paying a high price
    with obesity rates shooting up, followed by diabetes.

    This is happening even as conditions associated with malnutrition ?
    like anemia, caused by an iron deficiency in diets lacking leafy
    greens- continue to plague poor children, said Jay Battacharya, a
    health economics expert at Stanford University's medical school.

    Walking out of the nutrition class, Caballero and the other mothers
    said they appreciate the tips on healthy eating. But they still have
    to scrape to pay extra for real fruit juice instead of the punch they
    now know is mostly sugar and water. And they still have to walk four
    miles, often with their children, to and from the nearest supermarket,
    where fresh produce is plentiful and less expensive.

    Along the state highway linking Cutler to the supermarket in Orosi, a
    new sidewalk has just been laid ? a testament to the women's efforts
    to feed their families better.

    "I want to feed my family better food," said Irene Flores, a
    farmworker with three children who stores large sacks of beans to eat
    during the winter. "My husband was asking me to buy lettuce, because
    he likes salads. How can I buy it at almost $2 a head?"

    ******

    A Swiss Paradox?
    Janet Raloff

    Gstaad, Switzerland, has gained renown for its challenging ski trails
    and celebrity sightings. Come summer, however, the area's slopes host
    cows, not skiers. It now appears that milk from those cows produces
    cheeses rich in some heart-healthy nutrients.

    Mention omega-3 fats and most people think of fish. Indeed, oily fish
    from cold ocean waters offer an especially rich source of these
    heart-healthy fats, which is why the American Heart Association
    recommends including fish in your diet.

    Where and on what Bossie grazes appears to make a big difference in
    heart-healthiness of cheeses made from her milk, a new study finds.
    USDA/Ken Hammond

    However, some plants also produce omega-3 fats in abundance. The
    carbon-chained backbone of these plant fats tend to be shorter than
    the 20- and 22-carbon version typical of fish oils, so the omega-3
    fats are different. On the other hand, chemical reactions in the body
    can elongate some plant fats to fishy lengths. Moreover, even at 18
    carbons, the plant-derived alpha-linolenic-acid (ALA) omega-3 can
    contribute to heart health, research has shown.

    In general, cheeses are fatty foods. However, Jürg H. Beer of the
    Canton Hospital in Baden, Switzerland, and his colleagues now report
    finding that cheeses produced in alpine areas around Gstaad hold a
    more heart-healthy mix of fats than do cheeses made from the milk of
    cows grazing at lower altitudes. Not only were alpine cheeses highest
    in omega-3 fats, such as ALA, but they also had relatively low
    concentrations of saturated fats and arachidonic acid, a fatty acid
    that can promote inflammation in the body. As an unanticipated
    benefit, cheeses made from the milk of grass-fed alpine cows exhibited
    the highest concentrations of the unusual trans fatty acid, conjugated
    linoleic acid, that a number of studies have linked with cancer
    prevention.

    Beer acknowledged to Science News Online that even alpine cheeses
    "can't compete with fish" as a source of omega-3 fatty acids. The
    plant-derived omega-3s aren't as abundant nor as consistently of the
    preferred length as the fatty acids from fish are. However, Beer
    notes, for people concerned about mercury contamination of fish or who
    just like cheese, alpine varieties appear to be a heart-healthy
    choice.

    Beer's team reports its new findings in the Jan. 6, 2004 Circulation.

    The alpine answer to the French paradox?

    Over the years, many studies have highlighted a conundrum: Though the
    typical French diet contains large amounts of butter, cream, and other
    foods rich in typically artery-clogging saturated fats, the French
    incidence of fatal heart attacks is low. To tease out why,
    epidemiologists have probed other aspects of the regional cuisine. At
    present, the leading candidate to explain what has come to be known as
    the French paradox is wine?a beverage that's a Gallic favorite and

  15. [email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I should emigrate and become a US citizen just to [censored] the
    anti-canada troll "Robert".

    You missed my fav: Jean-Louis Lebris de Kerouac was born to French
    Canadian parents living in New England. Americans call him Jack
    Kerouac. He is most notably the author of On the Road and the father
    of the beat generation.

    And. This should really p.o. the o.p: I'm related to Shania Twain.

    Zee

    Quoted message said:


    Other canadians of note:

    Shania Twain - undisputed queen of country music
    Jim Carrey - greatest comedian ever
    Alec Trebek - top game show host ever
    Paul Shaffer - best talk-show bandleader ever
    Michael J Fox - top sit-com star
    Raymond Burr - best TV detective ever
    Rich Little - best voice man ever
    Lorne Greene - best cowboy on american tv ever
    Steve Smith - Red Green, top comedy on american tv

    Dan Aykroyd, Mike Myers, Phil Hartman, Leslie Neilsen, Mathew Perry,
    Martin Short, John Candy, Christopher Plummer, Colin Mochrie, Brenden
    Fraser, Hank Snow, William Shatner, Norm MacDonald, Jason Priestly,
    Neve Campbell, Jennifer Tilly, Caroline Rhea, Catherine O'Hara , Nelly
    Furtado, The Guess Who, BTO, Rush, Celine Dion, Neil Young, Glen
    Gould, Joni Mitchell, Avril Lavigne, Alanis Morrisette, Paul Anka,
    Bryan Adams, Anne Murray, James Naismith (invented basketball, Bret
    (the Hitman) Hart, Mario Lemieux, Wayne Gretsky, Bobby Orr, Elizabeth
    Arden, Alexander Graham Bell, Robert Goulet, Samuel Goldwyn
    Co-founder of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM), James Cameron wrote,
    directed, and produced the film Titanic, Lorne Michaels - Creator and
    executive producer of the show Saturday Night Live.

    Without Canadians, the US would be utterly bereft of culture.

    TC

    "MikeV" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Articulately stated, TC.
    "CLOSER TO THE SOIL" A slogan for our times!
    You could "run" on that. Ever thought of emigrating? Peter Jennings
    and Pamela Anderson made a go of it. :-)
    MikeV

    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    What is the common thread amongst these paradoxes?

    IMO, if you believe that fat is evil and carbs (including refined
    carbs) are heavenly then these are all paradoxes and they will


    remain

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    unfathomable paradoxes forever.

    If you believe that fresh, natural foods are healthy and


    manufactured

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    foods are evil, then it all makes sense.

    The sick populations (ie. westernized countries) eat fake fats


    like

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    shortening, margarine, canola oils or they *restrict* fats in


    general.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They eat sugar and refined white flours, RTE cereals, etc in HUGE
    quantities. High-carb diets. And they eat meats that are raised on
    pelletized feeds. The animals raised are raised in mass feeding
    operations in relatively confined space with mass medication


    programs.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And they eat only the select cuts of meat which are less nutrient
    dense than the internal organs and the specialty meats.

    The healthy populations are much closer to the soil. They eat lots


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    natural healthy fats. Look at the french, pate de foie gras, pork


    fat,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    duck fat, butter, cream sausces, etc. They eat much less sugar and
    white flour, and when they do, it is less than in the west and


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    much more butter or fat in their recipes. They eat little or no


    RTE

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cereals, and much less soda. The meat they eat is from family farm
    style operations. The animals they eat are healthier, better fed,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of a greater variety, and are not raised in intensive livestock
    operations. And they eat more internal organs and more of the
    specialty meats which are much more nutrient dense.

    Their food is fresher. Most continental europeans pick up their
    groceries fresh every day and cook them right away. They fixate on


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    quality and freshness of their food while westerners don't.


    Westerners

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    seem to instinctively need to have their food manufactured,


    processed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and packaged to such a point that it becomes non-food.

    TC

  16. [email hidden] (fresh~horses) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Terry we here in Canada can't even get our Safeways et al to carry
    anything but produce from California and Florida. Why? Well because
    our supermarkets are American owned and refuse to carry Canadain
    produce with rare exception. Wonderful local produce from farms right
    outside our cities and yet Safeway et al have square green peaches
    from California and Washington. It all comes thousands of miles,
    wrapped, bubbled, squared, and three weeks old. Where's the nutrition
    in that? Buy local. Go to the farmer's markets, investigate food
    sharing with co-ops and farmers who sell shares for their organic
    pesticide free crops. Many have cold storage produce and organic meats
    and foul available from 'farm gate' all winter long. We just need to
    take a little time to make better choices, which nurture us and
    support our farmers.

    Zee

    Untill Monsanto succeeds in illegally and criminally taking over every
    canadian organic farm with their cross pollinated mutant seeds.

  17. RBR <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    (tcomeau) said:

    Most continental europeans pick up their
    groceries fresh every day and cook them right away.

    And they also walk or cycle a great deal to get around. They also tend
    to eat less. Quite a bit less than we westerners. Our portion sizes
    here in Canada and the US are assinine!

    Regards.

    Rob

    i always like to take note of who is going into the 7-11. it is always
    these obese young females with huge slurpies etc. i'm a junk food
    junky but i still rarely would indulge in these gigantic portions or
    go to donut shops. why on earth do we need donut shops? we have too
    much sugar in our diet before we even look at a sweet.

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