Pannier Heel Clearance

Brian said:

Any suggestions?

adjust the clips etc on the panniers so you can mount them as far back
on the rack as possible. I had to do this with my Ortleibs.

are you placing your toes on the pedal? Consider SPD pedals and shoes,
you'll find your feet sit further forward on the pedal. I recommend the
pedals with a flat side & a SPD side for a general purpose bike, e.g.
Shimano M324 or cheaper compatibles, and Shimano's M020 SPD shoes.
Possibly not a solution by Friday though. 😉

Phil

Phil Clarke said:

Brian said:

Any suggestions?

adjust the clips etc on the panniers so you can mount them as far back
on the rack as possible. I had to do this with my Ortleibs.

are you placing your toes on the pedal? Consider SPD pedals and shoes,
you'll find your feet sit further forward on the pedal. I recommend the
pedals with a flat side & a SPD side for a general purpose bike, e.g.
Shimano M324 or cheaper compatibles, and Shimano's M020 SPD shoes.
Possibly not a solution by Friday though. 😉

Phil

Are they Bor Yueh racks which have braces that come off the seatstays and
mount to the rack with two nuts and bolts? You might be able to slide them
further along.
I find that I need to "ankle" in order to make my heels clear panniers.

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Quoted message said:

Brian said:

Any suggestions?

adjust the clips etc on the panniers so you can mount them as far back
on the rack as possible. I had to do this with my Ortleibs.

Already done that.

Quoted message said:

are you placing your toes on the pedal? Consider SPD pedals and shoes
you'll find your feet sit further forward on the pedal.

I place the ball of my foot on the pedal, my big size 13 feet still hit the
pannier, so I don' think SPD pedals and shoes would make any difference.

Quoted message said:

I recommend the
pedals with a flat side & a SPD side for a general purpose bike, e.g.
Shimano M324 or cheaper compatibles, and Shimano's M020 SPD shoes.
Possibly not a solution by Friday though. 😉

Phil

I am planning on getting spds eventually, but I don't think they will
increase clearance.

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Chris Davies <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Are they Bor Yueh racks which have braces that come off the seatstays
and mount to the rack with two nuts and bolts? You might be able to
slide them further along.
I find that I need to "ankle" in order to make my heels clear
panniers.

Well, the bike has no seatstay braze ons, so the rack is attatched to the
frame around the seat tube using a u bolt and clamp, then an extension to
the rack brace - so the rack is as far back as possible. Just need to get
the panniers back an inch or so...

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Brian said:

Chris Davies <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Are they Bor Yueh racks which have braces that come off the seatstays
and mount to the rack with two nuts and bolts? You might be able to
slide them further along.
I find that I need to "ankle" in order to make my heels clear
panniers.

Well, the bike has no seatstay braze ons, so the rack is attatched to the
frame around the seat tube using a u bolt and clamp, then an extension to
the rack brace - so the rack is as far back as possible. Just need to
get
the panniers back an inch or so...

You could get a pair of P-clips (cost about 50p from your LBS), attach
them to the seatstays and attach the rack to them. Careful with the
weight, though...

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Brian <[email hidden]>typed

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I place the ball of my foot on the pedal, my big size 13 feet still hit the
pannier, so I don' think SPD pedals and shoes would make any difference.

Amputate some toes ;-)

Coming from a family of big-footed people, I sympathise. I have the
smallest feet in the family.

"What lovely little dainty feet you have!" says Mum

They are a size 7½ (41½) so I need a 42 for most things. That's quite a
lot for a gurl. I've had problems with heel clearance, and also toe
(front mudguard) clearance.

Setting the rack back can help, as can properly designed panniers. My
only other suggestion is to put the panniers on low-riders in the
front...

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Peter Clinch said:

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Setting the rack back can help, as can properly designed panniers.

Are you inferring Ortlieb don't design panniers properly?

Inferring is in the eye of the beholder. What Helen's implying is
another question.

I'd be inclined to agree that it's more than just the panniers that
are responsible for heel strike. On a 26" wheel bike, they're not
going to have as much room to move as those on a 700C bike, so ones
which would fit on the latter won't on the former.

A

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Setting the rack back can help, as can properly designed panniers.

Are you inferring Ortlieb don't design panniers properly?

Pete.
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Quoted message said:

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Setting the rack back can help, as can properly designed panniers.

Quoted message said:

Are you inferring Ortlieb don't design panniers properly?

Quoted message said:

Pete.

I've never used Ortlieb panniers. I do know some panniers are more wedge
shaped and assymmetrical than others.

The old Karrimor panniers were good for heel clearance; symmetrical
panniers were not.

To clear heels well (and hold a lot of kit), a pannier needs to be this
sort of shape.

____
/~~~~\
\ |
) |
\ |
----

Symmetrical panniers (the sort which can be used on either side) will
get hit by biggish feet.
(Nobody took my toe amputation suggestion seriously did they...?)

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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

They are a size 7½ (41½) so I need a 42 for most things. That's quite a
lot for a gurl.

Move to the NL...
I'm the same size, and never had a problem buying shoes, but here most
highstreet shoes seem to end at 7. Tiso's only do 7 or 8 in most footwear
in women's sizes, no half sizes 🙁

Roos

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

I've never used Ortlieb panniers. I do know some panniers are more wedge
shaped and assymmetrical than others.

The old Karrimor panniers were good for heel clearance; symmetrical
panniers were not.

To clear heels well (and hold a lot of kit), a pannier needs to be this
sort of shape.

____
/~~~~\
\ |
) |
\ |
----

Well no, because if it's /this/ sort of shape, it'll have the same
clearance:
______
/~~~~~~\
\ /
) (
\ /
----

And Ortlieb rears are this sort of shape.

Quoted message said:

Symmetrical panniers (the sort which can be used on either side) will
get hit by biggish feet.

See above: no more than anything else if they're symmetrically cut away
for heel clearance.

Pete.
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Quoted message said:

Helen Deborah Vecht <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

They are a size 7½ (41½) so I need a 42 for most things. That's quite a
lot for a gurl.

Quoted message said:

Move to the NL...
I'm the same size, and never had a problem buying shoes, but here most
highstreet shoes seem to end at 7. Tiso's only do 7 or 8 in most footwear
in women's sizes, no half sizes 🙁

Maybe I should blame my Dutch (paternal) grandmother or my Danish mother
(both size 9 or 43), both of whom could get shoes more easily in their
native lands...

....but I'm the one with 'little' feet!

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Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've never used Ortlieb panniers. I do know some panniers are more wedge
shaped and assymmetrical than others.

The old Karrimor panniers were good for heel clearance; symmetrical
panniers were not.

To clear heels well (and hold a lot of kit), a pannier needs to be this
sort of shape.

____
/~~~~\
\ |
) |
\ |
----

Quoted message said:

Well no, because if it's /this/ sort of shape, it'll have the same
clearance:
______
/~~~~~~\
\ /
) (
\ /
----

Quoted message said:

And Ortlieb rears are this sort of shape.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Symmetrical panniers (the sort which can be used on either side) will
get hit by biggish feet.

Quoted message said:

See above: no more than anything else if they're symmetrically cut away
for heel clearance.

Only at the cost of some capacity.

The problem with symmetrical panniers can be that they are too steep on
the heel side. This won't be a problem for all riders but will be for
some combinations of rack pannier and foot.

The Ortlieb pannier seems to be a lovely piece of waterproof
engineering. Trouble is some shapes don't fit some people.

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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

The Ortlieb pannier seems to be a lovely piece of waterproof
engineering. Trouble is some shapes don't fit some people.

But same goes for other panniers, if the rack is close in to the crank
and the feet are big.

Pete.
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Chris Davies <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

You could get a pair of P-clips (cost about 50p from your LBS), attach
them to the seatstays and attach the rack to them. Careful with the
weight, though...

Don't see how that would move the rack back - the bike has threaded rack +
mudguard holes on the frame above the droput, so even if I attached the
rack using p-clips on the seat stays it would still be the same distance as
the bottom of the rack is fixed at the dropout.

Meanwhile for tomorrows jaunt I'll strap my camera tripod to the rack, and
go with a sweaty back and rucksack...

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Brian said:

Chris Davies <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

You could get a pair of P-clips (cost about 50p from your LBS), attach
them to the seatstays and attach the rack to them. Careful with the
weight, though...

Don't see how that would move the rack back - the bike has threaded rack
+
mudguard holes on the frame above the droput, so even if I attached the
rack using p-clips on the seat stays it would still be the same distance
as
the bottom of the rack is fixed at the dropout.

Meanwhile for tomorrows jaunt I'll strap my camera tripod to the rack,
and
go with a sweaty back and rucksack...

Unless I misread your OP, you have this (sorry if you have a
proportionally spaced display).

_______
|\ | |
| \\___/
| \
|___\

By mounting the rack lower down the stays, you get this:

|\______
| \| |
| \___/
|___\

You wouldn't break a bit off the end of the rack like in the above
picture. (;
By mounting the rack further back along the triangle you will move it
backwards.
Does this help?

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Quoted message said:

I place the ball of my foot on the pedal, my big size 13 feet still hit the
pannier, so I don' think SPD pedals and shoes would make any difference.

There's always footbinding as in Ye Olde Chinese Days. Mind you it'll stop you
running anywhere, and your toes will turn black, shrivel & drop off.

Cheers, helen s

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Chris Davies <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Unless I misread your OP, you have this (sorry if you have a
proportionally spaced display).

_______
|\ | |
| \\___/
| \
|___\

By mounting the rack lower down the stays, you get this:

|\______
| \| |
| \___/
|___\

You wouldn't break a bit off the end of the rack like in the above
picture. (;
By mounting the rack further back along the triangle you will move it
backwards.
Does this help?

I suppose it is worth a try - just got back from a 27 mile round trip
from Dunfermline to Gartmorn Dam. Back is a little sore after carrying
all my gear in a large 30L hillwalking rucksack!

Only slight problem is that my frame has square profile seat stays!
Square P-Clips anyone?

However, one of these may just do the trick:

http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FREXP

Jandd Expedition Rack, 16.25 inch long, with dog leg at rear.

Pity I can't seem to find a UK dealer though...

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Brian

Brian said:

Chris Davies <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Unless I misread your OP, you have this (sorry if you have a
proportionally spaced display).

_______
|\ | |
| \\___/
| \
|___\

By mounting the rack lower down the stays, you get this:

|\______
| \| |
| \___/
|___\

You wouldn't break a bit off the end of the rack like in the above
picture. (;
By mounting the rack further back along the triangle you will move it
backwards.
Does this help?

I suppose it is worth a try - just got back from a 27 mile round trip
from Dunfermline to Gartmorn Dam. Back is a little sore after carrying
all my gear in a large 30L hillwalking rucksack!

Only slight problem is that my frame has square profile seat stays!
Square P-Clips anyone?

However, one of these may just do the trick:

http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FREXP

Jandd Expedition Rack, 16.25 inch long, with dog leg at rear.

Pity I can't seem to find a UK dealer though...

P-clips are actually only made of thin sheets of steel coated in rubber.
Bending them into funny shapes is easy. Still, careful with the weight.

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