Panaracer Fire XC Pro

Chris said:

Is this a decent tire or junk?

Yes.

Bill "quite good, actually, but don't last long" S.

Chris said:

Is this a decent tire or junk?

I got a set a few weeks ago (from jensonusa.com for ~$22)
and I really like them so far. I'm riding dry rocky hardpack
most of the time. I don't know how they perform in the wet.

T o m Dillon Lakewood CO Z to S for email

Chris said:

Is this a decent tire or junk?

THE BEST! IMHO

Wake up good tire.

I MTB 2004

Chris said:

Is this a decent tire or junk?

Definitely not junk, but I don't think they are suitable for
every trail/rider.

I've been using these on the back for years - they grip very
well under power on a slope, even on loose dry trails, and
roll quickly. I didn't like them up front though, scared me
to s*it when they folded over on fast, wide corners
(roundabouts particularly) but they are great on the back.

For the front, I now use something a bit more confidence
inspiring like a maxxis high-roller or some intense rubber.
But that's just personal preference, to suit my riding and
trails. You might find that Fire XC pro's suit perfectly
well front and back.

Sam.

Chris said:

Is this a decent tire or junk?

Decent tread patter, but I have now had two that lost knobs
on the first ride.

Greg

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Chris said:

Is this a decent tire or junk?

I got a set a few weeks ago (from jensonusa.com for ~$22)
and I really like them so far. I'm riding dry rocky
hardpack most of the time. I don't know how they perform
in the wet.

Not bad at all in wet conditions... the only slips I've had
with them so far is on roots during climbs (peeled the bark
off a few roots in the process). I tend to pedal slowly in
mud to keep the ruts down. The Fire XC Pro's have great
traction even in loose pine needles, somehow they find the
soil underneath.

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empty the other.

Chris said:

Is this a decent tire or junk?

I hope they aren't junk. I just ordered a pair at the LBS a
couple of days ago...
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Chris said:

Is this a decent tire or junk?

I hope they aren't junk. I just ordered a pair at the LBS
a couple of

days

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ago...
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I've tried all kinds of tires and I like these the best.
There was a time when some of the web vendors were selling
Panaracers for a reduced price, I read that they were made
in Taiwan, not Japan. I have both and can't tell the
difference. I think you'll be happy with them.

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I've spent most of my money on mountain biking and windsurfing.
The rest I've just wasted.

"D T W .../\\..." <[email hidden]> wrote

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I've tried all kinds of tires and I like these the best.
There was a time when some of the web vendors were selling
Panaracers for a reduced price, I read that they were made
in Taiwan, not Japan. I have both and can't tell the
difference. I think you'll be happy with them.

I also ride Panaracer Fire XC's as my regular tire. But
there is a _big_ difference between the ones made in Japan
and the ones made in Taiwan. Make sure you get the Japanese
tires -- they are much more supple. The other thing to
remember about the Panaracers is that they are a poor choice
for a bike that is going to do a lot of miles on the street,
as the knobs wear amazingly quickly on pavement.

CC

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"D T W .../\\..." <[email hidden]> wrote

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I've tried all kinds of tires and I like these the best.
There was a

time

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when some of the web vendors were selling Panaracers for
a reduced

price, I

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read that they were made in Taiwan, not Japan. I have
both and can't

tell

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the difference. I think you'll be happy with them.

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I also ride Panaracer Fire XC's as my regular tire. But
there is a _big_ difference between the ones made in Japan
and the ones made in Taiwan. Make sure you get the
Japanese tires -- they are much more supple. The other
thing to remember about the Panaracers is that they are a
poor choice for a bike that is going to do a lot of miles
on the street, as the knobs wear amazingly quickly on
pavement.

CC

mmmmmmmmmmm supple. I don't know if I can agree with "more
supple" CC. Or are you trolling me ;-)

Anyway me and my buddy, Tucker, the border collie, put in
about 8 miles today. Tuck's owner only walks him a few miles
a week and I ran him for 8 miles, 3 days in a row. He's
toasted. When I finished riding I remembered what you had
written about supple sidewalls. I have a Taiwan Panaracer up
front and the Japanese on the rear. Front pressure 35, rear
38. I tried to see a difference in side to side movement. Is
that a supple check? Can't say I saw more / less supple. And
what would supple do for me? I was riding a Hutchinson Air
Lite Scorpion - now that's got a supple sidewall! Felt like
I had a basket ball up front.
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DTW .../\.../\.../\...

I've spent most of my money on mountain biking and windsurfing.
The rest I've just wasted.

I just put one on the back of my old bike (for son to ride).
Seems good so far. I have Panaracer Darts on front of both
bikes, at this price range they are a great tire, I have
always sworn by them.

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Is this a decent tire or junk?

"D T W .../\\..." <[email hidden]> wrote

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mmmmmmmmmmm supple. I don't know if I can agree with "more
supple" CC. Or are you trolling me ;-)

Wouldn't be the first time. But, no, I am serious. ([censored],
now I've admitted to being "serious"...) Anyway, google
"TPI" as in threads-per-inch in rec.bicycles.tech and read
for as long as you can stand to.

The Japanese Panaracers have a much higher thread count than
the Taiwanese version of the same tire. (Something like 120
vs. 65 TPI, but don't quote me on it.) Like you, I have one
of each on my Fisher right now. Take the tires off the bike
and just feel them. The difference between the nice tire and
the cheap tire is obvious.

Whether that difference is as obvious with the tire on the
bike is a matter that I am sure can be debated.

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And what would supple do for me?

Maybe Sorni can help you out here ;-).

CC

Corvus Corvax said:

"D T W .../\\..." <[email hidden]> wrote

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mmmmmmmmmmm supple. I don't know if I can agree with
"more supple"
CC. Or are you trolling me ;-)

Wouldn't be the first time. But, no, I am serious. ([censored],
now I've admitted to being "serious"...) Anyway, google
"TPI" as in threads-per-inch in rec.bicycles.tech and read
for as long as you can stand to.

The Japanese Panaracers have a much higher thread count
than the Taiwanese version of the same tire. (Something
like 120 vs. 65 TPI, but don't quote me on it.) Like you,
I have one of each on my Fisher right now. Take the tires
off the bike and just feel them. The difference between
the nice tire and the cheap tire is obvious.

You forgot the "Duh!"

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And what would supple do for me?

Maybe Sorni can help you out here ;-).

Sorry, day off 🙂

Bill "knew Mythos came in two grades but not Fire XC Pros"
S.

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I've tried all kinds of tires and I like these the best.

So do I, although some frown at them. Remember some Colorado
bikeshops thought they belonged to the paleolithic, but so
far we have not found tires that are better. Have used up
some 5 pairs.

Per lowdin.nulowdin.nuOpen ↗

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I've tried all kinds of tires and I like these the best.

So do I, although some frown at them. Remember some
Colorado bikeshops thought they belonged to the
paleolithic, but so far we have not found tires that are
better. Have used up some 5 pairs.

together and they just clog up quickly turning the wheels in
to heavy slicks.

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I've tried all kinds of tires and I like these the best.

So do I, although some frown at them. Remember some
Colorado bikeshops thought they belonged to the
paleolithic, but so far we have not found

tires

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that are better. Have used up some 5 pairs.

You must not have knobs rip off on all that buff terrain you
ride. I've given up on Fire XC Pros around here.

Greg

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The Japanese Panaracers have a much higher thread count
than the Taiwanese version of the same tire. (Something
like 120 vs. 65 TPI, but don't quote me on it.) Like you,
I have one of each on my Fisher right now. Take the tires
off the bike and just feel them. The difference between
the nice tire and the cheap tire is obvious.

Whether that difference is as obvious with the tire on the
bike is a matter that I am sure can be debated.

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And what would supple do for me?

Maybe Sorni can help you out here ;-).

CC

Thanks, I'll pass on the Google search. I can understand
the TPI stuff making a more/less supple tire. btw........I
was looking to see if I had an unmounted Taiwanese tire, I
don't. What I do have are a 1.8 and a 2.1 new Japanese
tires and FWIW I there's quite a difference in the tread
knob pattern.

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DTW .../\.../\.../\...

I've spent most of my money on mountain biking and windsurfing.
The rest I've just wasted.

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The Japanese Panaracers have a much higher thread count
than the Taiwanese version of the same tire. (Something
like 120 vs. 65 TPI, but don't quote me on it.) Like
you, I have one of each on my Fisher right now. Take the
tires off the bike and just feel them. The difference
between the nice tire and the cheap tire is obvious.

Whether that difference is as obvious with the tire on
the bike is a matter that I am sure can be debated.

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And what would supple do for me?

Maybe Sorni can help you out here ;-).

CC

I did a little searching of web vendors and found some
sites described them as 60 -67 TPI from Taiwan and 127 TPI
from Japan.

Some didn't say. caveat emptor.

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DTW .../\.../\.../\...

I've spent most of my money on mountain biking and windsurfing.
The rest I've just wasted