Panache

Think they'll give him 30 minutes??????? LOL

Michael said:

The French want panache from Flandis, they're getting it
and more today. Incredible!

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:05:34 -0500, Gary <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Think they'll give him 30 minutes??????? LOL

Michael said:

The French want panache from Flandis, they're getting it
and more today. Incredible!

6'30" and counting T-Mobile prove (if need be) that they're a bunch a
massive idiots, Kloden and Rodgers had the legs to take off with him.

Keith said:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:05:34 -0500, Gary <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Think they'll give him 30 minutes??????? LOL

Michael said:

The French want panache from Flandis, they're getting it
and more today. Incredible!

6'30" and counting T-Mobile prove (if need be) that they're a bunch a
massive idiots, Kloden and Rodgers had the legs to take off with him.

Yeah, they had the legs to go, but it wasn't at the time the right
thing to do. They most likely assumed that Gerolsteiner, AG2R, and
Rabobank would be riding to protect their positions just ahead of
Floyd. If those teams were limiting the damage, then T-Mobile wouldn't
need to ride against Floyd.

Now the damage is great enough that T-Mobile has to worry about
protecting THEIR positions, when they should be worrying about
overtaking Pereiro. Floyd's hoping that all the infighting in the
group will work to his advantage. Had T-Mobile chased Floyd at the
moment of his attack, or ridden earlier to limit his gains, all they'd
have done would be to protect Pereiro from their own onslaught later
AND help Levi, et al...

But, you knew that, right? No? Right, otherwise, you wouldn't have
thought Kloden and Rodgers should've marked Floyd when he attacked.

Keith said:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:05:34 -0500, Gary <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Think they'll give him 30 minutes??????? LOL

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Michael said:

The French want panache from Flandis, they're getting it
and more today. Incredible!

Quoted message said:

6'30" and counting T-Mobile prove (if need be) that they're a bunch a
massive idiots, Kloden and Rodgers had the legs to take off with him.

It's really amazing T-Mobile aren't doing more work. Surely
they want to run down Sinkewitz! Certainly previous form
would suggest they would!

Bounty Bob said:

It's really amazing T-Mobile aren't doing more work. Surely
they want to run down Sinkewitz! Certainly previous form
would suggest they would!

Dumbass,
They read rbr and were suitably mortified and decided to change their ways.

Scott said:

Yeah, they had the legs to go, but it wasn't at the time the right
thing to do. They most likely assumed that Gerolsteiner, AG2R, and
Rabobank would be riding to protect their positions just ahead of
Floyd. If those teams were limiting the damage, then T-Mobile wouldn't
need to ride against Floyd.

It doesn't matter how bad the tactics were or weren't. Floyd was up to
something special. If they had gone with him, he would've dropped 'em.

--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the
trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view,
the most insidious of traitors."
George H.W. Bush, April 16, 1999,

"Raptor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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Scott said:

Yeah, they had the legs to go, but it wasn't at the time the right
thing to do. They most likely assumed that Gerolsteiner, AG2R, and
Rabobank would be riding to protect their positions just ahead of
Floyd. If those teams were limiting the damage, then T-Mobile wouldn't
need to ride against Floyd.

It doesn't matter how bad the tactics were or weren't. Floyd was up to something special. If they had gone with him, he would've
dropped 'em.

--
Lynn Wallace

He would have dropped them like a bad transmission.

Raptor said:

Scott said:

Yeah, they had the legs to go, but it wasn't at the time the right
thing to do. They most likely assumed that Gerolsteiner, AG2R, and
Rabobank would be riding to protect their positions just ahead of
Floyd. If those teams were limiting the damage, then T-Mobile wouldn't
need to ride against Floyd.

It doesn't matter how bad the tactics were or weren't. Floyd was up to
something special. If they had gone with him, he would've dropped 'em.

--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the
trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view,
the most insidious of traitors."
George H.W. Bush, April 16, 1999,

Keep in mind when I wrote that message the race wasn't over yet. We
know now that he would've crushed 'em, but at the time it was still up
for debate.

Scott

in message <[email hidden]>, Raptor

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Scott said:

Yeah, they had the legs to go, but it wasn't at the time the right
thing to do. They most likely assumed that Gerolsteiner, AG2R, and
Rabobank would be riding to protect their positions just ahead of
Floyd. If those teams were limiting the damage, then T-Mobile
wouldn't need to ride against Floyd.

It doesn't matter how bad the tactics were or weren't. Floyd was up to
something special. If they had gone with him, he would've dropped 'em.

He gambled - and he was well prepared for it. If the GC contenders had
gone with him, or had co-operated to bring him back, he would have lost
his gamble. But, having lost so much time the day before, there wasn't
anything else he could sensibly do. Good tactics, good planning, good
execution. But despite all that, a gamble.

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Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

It doesn't matter how bad the tactics were or weren't. Floyd was up to
something special. If they had gone with him, he would've dropped 'em.

He gambled - and he was well prepared for it. If the GC contenders had
gone with him, or had co-operated to bring him back, he would have lost
his gamble. But, having lost so much time the day before, there wasn't
anything else he could sensibly do. Good tactics, good planning, good
execution. But despite all that, a gamble.

Not much of a gamble at all. Landis had nothing to lose. Would it
really have mattered if Landis totally spent himself and was passed on
the last hill and lost 10 more minutes to all the contenders? So what
if he loses by 20 minutes rather than 10 minutes.

in 516240 20060722 192142 Jack Hollis said:

Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

It doesn't matter how bad the tactics were or weren't. Floyd was up to
something special. If they had gone with him, he would've dropped 'em.

He gambled - and he was well prepared for it. If the GC contenders had
gone with him, or had co-operated to bring him back, he would have lost
his gamble. But, having lost so much time the day before, there wasn't
anything else he could sensibly do. Good tactics, good planning, good
execution. But despite all that, a gamble.

Not much of a gamble at all. Landis had nothing to lose. Would it
really have mattered if Landis totally spent himself and was passed on
the last hill and lost 10 more minutes to all the contenders? So what
if he loses by 20 minutes rather than 10 minutes.

Because a top 10 in the TdF is still worth something?

in message <[email hidden]>, Bob Martin

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in 516240 20060722 192142 Jack Hollis said:

Simon Brooke said:

> It doesn't matter how bad the tactics were or weren't. Floyd was up
> to something special. If they had gone with him, he would've dropped
> 'em.

He gambled - and he was well prepared for it. If the GC contenders had
gone with him, or had co-operated to bring him back, he would have
lost his gamble. But, having lost so much time the day before, there
wasn't anything else he could sensibly do. Good tactics, good
planning, good execution. But despite all that, a gamble.

Not much of a gamble at all. Landis had nothing to lose. Would it
really have mattered if Landis totally spent himself and was passed on
the last hill and lost 10 more minutes to all the contenders? So what
if he loses by 20 minutes rather than 10 minutes.

Because a top 10 in the TdF is still worth something?

Frankly, I agree with xsleeper that Landis had nothing to lose and that
it was a rational strategy. But - rational or not, nothing to lose or
not, it was a gamble. If other teams had been paying attention (yes, Mr
Riis, I'm looking at you) he should not have succeeded.

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Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Bob Martin

(') said:

in 516240 20060722 192142 Jack Hollis said:

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:26:37 +0100, Simon Brooke
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>> It doesn't matter how bad the tactics were or weren't. Floyd was up
>> to something special. If they had gone with him, he would've dropped
>> 'em.
>
>He gambled - and he was well prepared for it. If the GC contenders had
>gone with him, or had co-operated to bring him back, he would have
>lost his gamble. But, having lost so much time the day before, there
>wasn't anything else he could sensibly do. Good tactics, good
>planning, good execution. But despite all that, a gamble.

Not much of a gamble at all. Landis had nothing to lose. Would it
really have mattered if Landis totally spent himself and was passed on
the last hill and lost 10 more minutes to all the contenders? So what
if he loses by 20 minutes rather than 10 minutes.

Because a top 10 in the TdF is still worth something?

Frankly, I agree with xsleeper that Landis had nothing to lose and that
it was a rational strategy. But - rational or not, nothing to lose or
not, it was a gamble. If other teams had been paying attention (yes, Mr
Riis, I'm looking at you) he should not have succeeded.

It was a gamble and the ante was one hell of a lot of pain and unbelievably hard
work, that in the end nobody was willing to match.

Ron

"Bob Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Not much of a gamble at all. Landis had nothing to lose. Would it
really have mattered if Landis totally spent himself and was passed on
the last hill and lost 10 more minutes to all the contenders? So what
if he loses by 20 minutes rather than 10 minutes.

Because a top 10 in the TdF is still worth something?

It's all relative. If your goal was 1st, placing 9th, 10th, 11th, or 21st is
inconsequential. If your goal was top 10 and you had an incident that put
you down into the 30s, it wouldn't matter if you finished 30th or 39th.

Bob Martin said:

Because a top 10 in the TdF is still worth something?

Dumbass -

Did you see the interviews? Floyd said he came to the race to win.

Explanation to the simpleton: if you go to a race to win, top 10 isn't
worth anything.

"Second place, third place, what's the difference? The only place that
matters is first."
- Sean Kelly, 1989

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Bob Martin said:

Because a top 10 in the TdF is still worth something?

Steak knives?

"Jack Hollis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

It doesn't matter how bad the tactics were or weren't. Floyd was up to
something special. If they had gone with him, he would've dropped 'em.

He gambled - and he was well prepared for it. If the GC contenders had
gone with him, or had co-operated to bring him back, he would have lost
his gamble. But, having lost so much time the day before, there wasn't
anything else he could sensibly do. Good tactics, good planning, good
execution. But despite all that, a gamble.

Not much of a gamble at all. Landis had nothing to lose. Would it
really have mattered if Landis totally spent himself and was passed on
the last hill and lost 10 more minutes to all the contenders? So what
if he loses by 20 minutes rather than 10 minutes.

Tell that to all of the other riders who protect their top ten placement by
trying to stay in the group with all of the other contenders.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Robert Chung said:

Bob Martin said:

Because a top 10 in the TdF is still worth something?

Steak knives?

Nope, 3800 Euros for tenth place in final GC.

http://www.letour.fr/2006/TDF/LIVE/docs/reglement_2006_us.pdf

That's less than 1% of what the winner gets.

Fun fact: Floyd will also earn 15000 Euros for his incidental second
place in the Classement du Meilleur Grimpeur, aka King of the Mountains.

Though given Rasmussen's repeat, I propose we rename it the Holocaust
Survivor Impersonation prize.

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"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Robert Chung said:

Bob Martin said:

Because a top 10 in the TdF is still worth something?

Steak knives?

Nope, 3800 Euros for tenth place in final GC.

"We're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all
know, first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody want to see second
prize?" [Holds up prize] "Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third
prize is you're fired."