Palm Oil?

Kumar said:

The following link claim lot of health benefits of PALM OIL:-

Quoted message said:

http://www.mpopc.org.my/consumer_health_benefits.asp
Healthier Hearts
Preventing Cancer...

Quoted message said:

These effects were thought just opposite previously.

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No doubt, it a fruit pulp oil(alike olive oil) instead of seed oil. Its
extraction/output is more than 20 times than other seed, so cheap.
Being cheaper, it might remained backbencher, inspite better qualities.

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What do you suggest/comment.

The website is biased. Palm oil is 49% saturated fat (more than lard).

--
Ron

Palm oil is pretty good, if it is high quality, and if you don't cook
it at high temperatures, though you could boil it and it shouldn't be
too adversely effected.

To Mr. Peterson:

In Bruce Fife's book, Coconut Cures, he has a chart showing hardly any
heart disease in the nation that consumes the most coconut oil, whereas
nations that consume large amounts of highly unsaturated oils have high
rates of CHD.

Recently, AHA spokesman Dr. Richard Stein noted that only oxidized
cholesterol is dangerous, and saturated fatty acids protect against
oxidation, whereas highly unsaturated fatty acids promote it. Lard is
very bad, because it is only percent saturated, has no antioxidants,
and is usually not eaten on the spot, so rancidity occurs during
processing, cooking, etc.

To anyone who doesn't believe me, you can search this group for
montygram and read through my posts. You can also take me up on my
experimental offer, which is that we will feed one group of common lab
mammals either 25-30 percent canola and fish oil or the same percent of
their diet as fresh coconut oil, and see which group lives longer. If
the canola/fish oil group lives longer, I'll pay for everything, but if
the fresh coconut oil group lives as long or longer, you pay for
everything, including legal fees to draw up an agreement. So far,
nobody is interested in taking me up on my offer. That tells you
something right there, though the excuses some of them have made are
quite funny - very entertaining.

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Ron Peterson said:

Kumar said:

The following link claim lot of health benefits of PALM OIL:-

Quoted message said:

http://www.mpopc.org.my/consumer_health_benefits.asp
Healthier Hearts
Preventing Cancer...

Quoted message said:

These effects were thought just opposite previously.

Quoted message said:

No doubt, it a fruit pulp oil(alike olive oil) instead of seed oil. Its
extraction/output is more than 20 times than other seed, so cheap.
Being cheaper, it might remained backbencher, inspite better qualities.

Quoted message said:

What do you suggest/comment.

The website is biased. Palm oil is 49% saturated fat (more than lard).

So what? There's no proven link between saturated fat and CVD. None
that controlled for the hormonal influence/interaction with other
macronutrients.

Susan

Kumar said:

Hello,

The following link claim lot of health benefits of PALM OIL:-

http://www.mpopc.org.my/consumer_health_benefits.asp

Palm oil simply is not available for purchase in the USA. Perhaps, the
situation has changed but the last time that I checked health food
stores wont even carrying palm oil. Apparently, this is due to palm
oil being red in color.

Just thought that you might want to know.

Susan:

It is worse than that - they have not even controlled for the fatty
acids themselves. You talk of hormones and macronutrients, but they
are operating on a much less sophisticated level of thought.
Basically, they look at total serum cholesterol or LDL/HDL. Oxidized
cholesterol is not even mentioned, which is why Dr. Richard Stein of
the AHA saying that only oxidized cholesterol is a problem is so
surpriging; it basically contradicts almost everything the AHA has been
saying for decades. There is something very wrong here, but I'm just
interested in the science, not the politics, of the issue.

"Palm oil is more than just your every day vegetable oil. It's packed
with nutrients that contribute to your daily energy needs. Palm oil
provides a valuable source of beta carotene and vitamin E. Studies have
found that tocopherols and tocotrienols, which are isomers of vitamin E
found in palm oil, are antioxidants and may be associated with more
favorable cholesterol profiles, and lower risk of heart disease and
some types of cancer.
http://www.americanpalmoil.com/ "

This is from the Americal Palm Oil Coucil. We need to look it in its
recent status of research. This is extracted from fruit pulp instead
most other from seeds--which nature might be protenting. Fruit juice
should be softer/lighter than seed juice. I think this oil is
tasteless, odorless & snacks fried in it have better self-life. I
think, it don't leave black( may be oxidised carbon) material in the
container. Can you check some recent researches on it?

A" misperception from the past?
There's a good chance you've heard palm oil erroneously referred to and
grouped together with palm kernel oil and coconut oil as a "tropical
oil," a contributor to high cholesterol levels, or even as a trans-fat.
Palm fruit oil is different and contains much less saturated fat than
coconut and palm kernel oil.
http://www.americanpalmoil.com/benefits.html "

May this be a reason?

"Since the early 1990's, there has been a phenomenal increase in the
scientific literature published in relation to the health effects of
palm oil. Several international conferences devoted solely to palm oil
research have published their research findings as part of special
supplemental issues of internationally reputable, peer-reviewed
scientific journals.
http://www.americanpalmoil.com/benefits.html "

Pls reply after studying referances given on this link.

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Kumar said:

Hello,

The following link claim lot of health benefits of PALM OIL:-

http://www.mpopc.org.my/consumer_health_benefits.asp

Palm oil simply is not available for purchase in the USA. Perhaps, the
situation has changed but the last time that I checked health food
stores wont even carrying palm oil. Apparently, this is due to palm
oil being red in color.

Just thought that you might want to know.

Go to
http://www.spectrumorganics.com/index.php?title=Coconut+Oil+and+Shortening

This product is available many places:

"Made with organic palm oil, Spectrum Organic Shortening is a healthy,
trans-fat free alternative to traditional shortening for flaky crusts and
crispy fries.
Ingredients
100% Organic Expeller Pressed Palm Oil.

Nutrition Information »"

Dee

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Susan wrote:
: x-no-archive: yes
: Ron Peterson wrote:
:: Kumar wrote:
::: The following link claim lot of health benefits of PALM OIL:-
::: http://www.mpopc.org.my/consumer_health_benefits.asp
::: Healthier Hearts
::: Preventing Cancer...
:: The website is biased. Palm oil is 49% saturated fat (more than
:: lard).
:
: So what? There's no proven link between saturated fat and CVD.

No proven link between saturated fats and cardiovascular disease?

You might want to read the following articles and studies.

This is by the Harvard researchers Hu and Willett:
http://tinyurl.com/7yeh5

One of their main points is:
.. Results from epidemiologic studies and controlled clinical trials have
indicated that replacing saturated fat with unsaturated fat is more
effective in lowering risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat
consumption.

Another thorough article about fats and heart disease:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/75/2/191

An Italian study about fatty acids and mortality in elders:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15820615

Palm oil is another thing. To my knowledge it is less atherogenic than
animal derived fatty acids.

--
Juhana

"...the cure of many diseases is unknown to the physicians of
Hellas, because they are ignorant of the whole, which ought to be
studied also..."
- Plato, Charmides dialogues

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Palm oil simply is not available for purchase in the USA. Perhaps, the
situation has changed but the last time that I checked health food
stores wont even carrying palm oil. Apparently, this is due to palm
oil being red in color.

I have seen palm oil for sale in Asian food stores in my community.

As someone else as commented, palm oil has considerably less saturated
fat then palm kernal oil. Palm kernal oil is frequently used in some
types of chocalate candies and ice cream bar coatings.

All fats are high in calories and shouldn't be consumed in large
quantities.

Most nutritionists recommend avoiding saturated fats to keep
cholesterol levels lower. There may not be a cause and effect relation
between cholesterol and cardiovascular disease, but there does seem to
be a correlation.

--
Ron

"Palm oil is another thing. To my knowledge it is less atherogenic than

animal derived fatty acids. "

Juhana,

How it is less athrogenic? Is it due to that it may be a combination of
some bad & some good qualities?

Kumar wrote:
: "Palm oil is another thing. To my knowledge it is less atherogenic
: than animal derived fatty acids. "
:
: Juhana,
:
: How it is less athrogenic? Is it due to that it may be a combination
: of some bad & some good qualities?

Not all saturated fatty acids are equal. It depends on the lenght of the
fatty acid chains. You might want to have a look at the links I provided in
my previous message. I guess palm oil is not mentioned there, but the effect
of individual saturated fatty acids is discussed in detail.

Palm oil also contains tocotrienols, a class of vitamin E, which have a
beneficial effect on cardiovascular system and to health in general.

--
Juhana

"...the cure of many diseases is unknown to the physicians of
Hellas, because they are ignorant of the whole, which ought to be
studied also..."
- Plato, Charmides dialogues

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Juhana Harju said:

Susan wrote:
: x-no-archive: yes
: Ron Peterson wrote:
:: Kumar wrote:
::: The following link claim lot of health benefits of PALM OIL:-
::: http://www.mpopc.org.my/consumer_health_benefits.asp
::: Healthier Hearts
::: Preventing Cancer...
:: The website is biased. Palm oil is 49% saturated fat (more than
:: lard).
:
: So what? There's no proven link between saturated fat and CVD.

No proven link between saturated fats and cardiovascular disease?

You might want to read the following articles and studies.

This is by the Harvard researchers Hu and Willett:
http://tinyurl.com/7yeh5

One of their main points is:
. Results from epidemiologic studies and controlled clinical trials have
indicated that replacing saturated fat with unsaturated fat is more
effective in lowering risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat
consumption.

Another thorough article about fats and heart disease:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/75/2/191

An Italian study about fatty acids and mortality in elders:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15820615

Palm oil is another thing. To my knowledge it is less atherogenic than
animal derived fatty acids.

You've posted articles that assume saturated fat poses elevated risk
without controlling for the rest of the dietary milieu.

Perhaps the high sat fat diet was a marker for french fries and Coke
consumption in many studies? Perhaps the sat fat was from factory
farmed products with their high arachidonic acid content and promoted
arterial inflammation?

There are too many variables not measured nor accounted for to reach a
risk conclusion for sat fat.

I'm not unwilling to consider it a risk if good evidence exists, but I
haven't ever seen any.

Susan

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Juhana Harju said:

Susan wrote:
: x-no-archive: yes
: Ron Peterson wrote:
:: Kumar wrote:
::: The following link claim lot of health benefits of PALM OIL:-
::: http://www.mpopc.org.my/consumer_health_benefits.asp
::: Healthier Hearts
::: Preventing Cancer...
:: The website is biased. Palm oil is 49% saturated fat (more than
:: lard).
:
: So what? There's no proven link between saturated fat and CVD.

No proven link between saturated fats and cardiovascular disease?

You might want to read the following articles and studies.

This is by the Harvard researchers Hu and Willett:
http://tinyurl.com/7yeh5

One of their main points is:
. Results from epidemiologic studies and controlled clinical trials have
indicated that replacing saturated fat with unsaturated fat is more
effective in lowering risk of CHD than simply reducing total fat
consumption.

Another thorough article about fats and heart disease:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/75/2/191

An Italian study about fatty acids and mortality in elders:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15820615

Palm oil is another thing. To my knowledge it is less atherogenic than
animal derived fatty acids.

You've posted articles that assume saturated fat poses elevated risk
without controlling for the rest of the dietary milieu.

Perhaps the high sat fat diet was a marker for french fries and Coke
consumption in many studies? Perhaps the sat fat was from factory
farmed products with their high arachidonic acid content and promoted
arterial inflammation?

There are too many variables not measured nor accounted for to reach a
risk conclusion for sat fat.

I'm not unwilling to consider it a risk if good evidence exists, but I
haven't ever seen any.

Susan

Juhana Harju said:

Kumar wrote:
: "Palm oil is another thing. To my knowledge it is less atherogenic
: than animal derived fatty acids. "
:
Palm oil also contains tocotrienols, a class of vitamin E, which have a
beneficial effect on cardiovascular system and to health in general.

Do you then agree that health benefits, as indicated on palm oil
boards(link I given in previous posts), are true? Why many don't agree?

Palm oil and atherosclerosis Citations Abstracts
Palm oil and cholesterol Citations Abstracts
Palm oil and cancer Citations Abstracts
Palm oil and LDL Citations Abstracts
Palm oil and HDL Citations Abstracts
Palm oil and diabetes Citations Abstracts
Palm oil and Vitamin A Citations Abstracts
"Palm oil and tocotrienols Citations Abstracts
http://www.palmoilworld.org/Science.htm
http://www.palmoilworld.org/introduction.htm
The above scientific literature was accessed on 7/31/2005 using PubMed
- a free research tool from the National Library of Medicine. (Next
update - Dec 2005).
http://www.palmoilworld.org/Science.htm

Introduction to Palm Oil nutrition

Palm oil and blood cholesterol

Anti-cancer properties of palm oil

pro Vitamin A activity of palm oil

Other health aspects of palm oil

Free Online articles on palm oil
http://www.palmoilworld.org/nutrition.htm "

Will above links help to clear this issue?

montygram said:

There is something very wrong here, but I'm just
interested in the science, not the politics, of the issue.

There is something very wrong here. I have seen no evidence of that.

Kindly prove it, if you don't mind.

Just my opinion, and you know the rest of the story. 🙂

montygram said:

To anyone who doesn't believe me, you can search this group for
montygram and read through my posts. You can also take me up on my
experimental offer, which is that we will feed one group of common lab
mammals either 25-30 percent canola and fish oil or the same percent of
their diet as fresh coconut oil, and see which group lives longer. If
the canola/fish oil group lives longer, I'll pay for everything, but if
the fresh coconut oil group lives as long or longer, you pay for
everything, including legal fees to draw up an agreement. So far,
nobody is interested in taking me up on my offer. That tells you
something right there, though the excuses some of them have made are
quite funny - very entertaining.

A 1991 study on rabbits showed negative outcome on rabbits fed a diet
of coconut oil versus an equivalent amount of olive oil. The study was
titled "Mechanisms of hypertriglyceridemia in the coconut
oil/cholesterol-fed rabbit. Increased secretion and decreased
catabolism of very low density lipoprotein."

--
Ron