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  1. Right, got a new job in London and don't relish the Northern Line in the
    morning and have been glancing at the Brompton Catalogue.

    I'm a little confused ... I want one as cheap as possible but as practical
    as possible. I don't like the girly handlebars, not sure which of the gears
    is the best to go for and have read to get lower gearing.

    So, can anyone explain which one a heavy set 6ft bloke with powerful legs
    should go for? And where to buy that isn't Evans but may be able to change a
    few pieces if required. Alternatively, what's the waiting list like?

    Ta

  2. elyob said:

    Right, got a new job in London and don't relish the Northern Line in the
    morning and have been glancing at the Brompton Catalogue.

    I'm a little confused ... I want one as cheap as possible but as practical
    as possible. I don't like the girly handlebars, not sure which of the gears
    is the best to go for and have read to get lower gearing.

    A Brommie may turn out to be the best for you but I would at least
    consider alternative folders as well. Have you looked at the Dahon
    range for example?

    --
    Dave...

  3. "dkahn400" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    elyob said:

    Right, got a new job in London and don't relish the Northern Line in the
    morning and have been glancing at the Brompton Catalogue.

    I'm a little confused ... I want one as cheap as possible but as
    practical
    as possible. I don't like the girly handlebars, not sure which of the
    gears
    is the best to go for and have read to get lower gearing.

    A Brommie may turn out to be the best for you but I would at least
    consider alternative folders as well. Have you looked at the Dahon
    range for example?

    There is a big range of alternatives, but I'm thinking "buy British", "it is
    the best", "long term purchase", "resale value" etc ...

    Everyone knows a Brommie, and I'd like to own one at some point so I can
    join a conversation with some knowledge rather than say "a mate's got
    one"... 😉

  4. elyob said:

    I'm a little confused ... I want one as cheap as possible but as practical
    as possible.

    There's your first problem then. The cheapest is the C3, but though the
    frames are the same the rest of the componentry has short cuts and there
    are no mudguards. So rather less practical. Another way to get cheaper
    is 1 or 2 speed, but though 1 or 2 isn't that much smaller sounding than
    3, in practice your gear range will be rather restrictive so unless you
    never intend going up hills I'd suggest a 3.

    I don't like the girly handlebars, not sure which of the gears

    Quoted message said:

    is the best to go for and have read to get lower gearing.

    If it bothers you that much get the straight bars, but I doubt it will
    bother you after a bit of riding. If it's street cred you're worried
    about, you've already lost most of it (at least in "proper bike" terms)
    with a step through frame and wee wheels. But the "girly" bars work,
    and give a comfortable, upright riding position. The "girly" bars don't
    need a special, lower capacity bag which the straight bars do, if you're
    using Brom's luggage.

    As suggested above in my first para, I think a 3 speed will give you a
    lot more useful a bike than a 1 or 2. The 6 is a bit nicer, giving
    "half" gears in between the 3 normal, but you don't need it. I
    personally use the -18% gear option, but Dundee has some rather more
    serious hills than most of London. But I'd be inclined to get the -12%
    in any case, even if I lived in NL, as I find the standard range just a
    bit higher than I like. The Brompton is particularly badly suited to
    standing on big gears and honking, but stay sat down and use the gears
    and it's a nice nippy ride.

    Quoted message said:

    So, can anyone explain which one a heavy set 6ft bloke with powerful legs
    should go for? And where to buy that isn't Evans but may be able to change a
    few pieces if required. Alternatively, what's the waiting list like?

    Waiting list may be down to merely 2 months by now... or not... But you
    can get an a la carte one if you're prepared to wait. Bikefix may well
    have a load on the shelf and should be able to change stuff.

    I personally think the Brom luggage is very good. It's a lot to pay for
    what you get in terms of physical stuff, but it just works incredibly
    well. Not really convinced about the rear rack, but then I don't have
    one so that's more a thought experiment than practical experience.

    For a 6 footer, you'll probably want the extended or telescopic seat post.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  5. elyob said:

    Right, got a new job in London and don't relish the Northern Line in the
    morning and have been glancing at the Brompton Catalogue.

    I'm a little confused ... I want one as cheap as possible but as practical
    as possible. I don't like the girly handlebars, not sure which of the gears
    is the best to go for and have read to get lower gearing.

    So, can anyone explain which one a heavy set 6ft bloke with powerful legs
    should go for? And where to buy that isn't Evans but may be able to change a
    few pieces if required. Alternatively, what's the waiting list like?


    Charing X or Bank branch?

    I've got the standard T3 gearing and I've only struggled once - going
    up a 1 in 7 in Durham in the snow.

    Even when my hub gear died and I removed all the broken bits which
    meant I only had top gear while the new wheel was on order was fine in
    London. Pulling away in top gear is slow but that's about the only
    issue.

    Definitely get the front luggage option. If you're trying to keep
    costs (and weight) down then skip on the rear rack. It can be useful
    occasionally but you can't fold the bike with anything on the rack so
    it's not that useful. Also things on the rack tend to slide forwards
    and hit your heels.

    Collegue of mine has the S2L which is one of the cheaper options and
    he's been very happy with it.[1] I've ridden his bike across London
    once and I prefer the more upright position of the standard bars.
    YMMV.

    I'm about 5'6 or 5'7 and I have the seat on its highest setting. You
    may well want an extending seatpost.

    Tim.

    [1] Only significant problem he's had was when doing an emergency stop
    for a pedestrian the bike folded up under him and completely smashed
    the mudguard.

  6. In news:[email hidden],
    elyob <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:

    Right, got a new job in London and don't relish the Northern Line in
    the morning and have been glancing at the Brompton Catalogue.

    I'm a little confused ... I want one as cheap as possible but as
    practical as possible. I don't like the girly handlebars, not sure
    which of the gears is the best to go for and have read to get lower
    gearing.
    So, can anyone explain which one a heavy set 6ft bloke with powerful
    legs should go for? And where to buy that isn't Evans but may be able
    to change a few pieces if required.

    http://www.bromptonbicycle.co.uk/brompton/index.cfm?fuseaction=buying.dealers&countryID=21&RegionID=15

    Brompton merchants in Londonton

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    It would appear apparent, to me at least, that dinosaurs were
    largely burrowing creatures.

  7. in message <[email hidden]>, elyob

    (') said:


    "dkahn400" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    elyob said:

    Right, got a new job in London and don't relish the Northern Line in
    the morning and have been glancing at the Brompton Catalogue.

    I'm a little confused ... I want one as cheap as possible but as
    practical
    as possible. I don't like the girly handlebars, not sure which of the
    gears
    is the best to go for and have read to get lower gearing.

    A Brommie may turn out to be the best for you but I would at least
    consider alternative folders as well. Have you looked at the Dahon
    range for example?

    There is a big range of alternatives, but I'm thinking "buy British", "it
    is the best", "long term purchase", "resale value" etc ...

    Birdie's probably the best. Ruthlessly efficient sausage eating vorsprung
    durch technic, and all that. But zey haf veys of making you pay for it.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; When your hammer is C++, everything begins to look like a thumb.

  8. Quoting elyob <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm a little confused ... I want one as cheap as possible but as practical
    as possible. I don't like the girly handlebars, not sure which of the gears
    is the best to go for and have read to get lower gearing.

    Most of that advice was written about older Bs; the current models are
    effectively one step of gear reduction down by default.
    --
    David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill the tomato!
    Today is Gorgonzoladay, Presuary - a weekend.

  9. In article said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, elyob

    Quoted message said:


    There is a big range of alternatives, but I'm thinking "buy British", "it
    is the best", "long term purchase", "resale value" etc ...

    Birdie's probably the best. Ruthlessly efficient sausage eating vorsprung
    durch technic, and all that. But zey haf veys of making you pay for it.

    Depends what you want it for. The Brompton folds into a neater package,
    so if that's your primary consideration in a folder, the Brompton is
    better.

  10. In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    If it's street cred you're worried about, you've already lost most of
    it (at least in "proper bike" terms) with a step through frame and wee
    wheels.

    Not long after I bought my T3 mid-2001, one of the lads' mags - GQ or
    Loaded or something - decreed that folding bikes were not far behind
    sandals in being too hopelessly 'out' for its readers to be seen with.

    That's one of the problems with cycling being accepted as a cool thing
    to do in the UK - style mag writers and editors, in particular those
    catering to men, have much more glossy and expensive toys to get excited
    over. Being the craven creatures they are, they always have an eye out
    for the next shindig to test drive fast cars in exotic locations.
    --
    congokid
    Eating out in London? Read my tips...
    http://congokid.com

  11. Peter Clinch said:

    For a 6 footer, you'll probably want the extended or telescopic seat post.

    As a point of reference, I'm 6 foot 2 and the extended seat post is only
    just long enough for me. So I expect someone who's 6 foot would be fine
    with it too, and not need the extra weight of the telescopic version.

    Bob

  12. In article <[email hidden]>, elyob
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    There is a big range of alternatives, but I'm thinking "buy British", "it is
    the best", "long term purchase", "resale value" etc ...

    Everyone knows a Brommie, and I'd like to own one at some point so I can
    join a conversation with some knowledge rather than say "a mate's got
    one"... 😉

    Have a look on ebay as well - the high resale value means they're not
    dirt cheap, but you could speed up the process and also save a few quid.

    As I was leaving the supermarket this afternoon and about to unfold my
    T3, another shopper asked me if they were heavy. I replied 'a bit', but
    invited him to have a go lifting it. I think he was planning to buy one
    to take on holiday.

    I usually get at least one enquiry a week from people about how much
    they cost, where to get one, etc.
    --
    congokid
    Eating out in London? Read my tips...
    http://congokid.com

  13. elyob said:

    Right, got a new job in London and don't relish the Northern Line in the
    morning and have been glancing at the Brompton Catalogue.

    I'm a little confused ... I want one as cheap as possible but as practical
    as possible. I don't like the girly handlebars, not sure which of the gears
    is the best to go for and have read to get lower gearing.

    So, can anyone explain which one a heavy set 6ft bloke with powerful legs
    should go for? And where to buy that isn't Evans but may be able to change a
    few pieces if required. Alternatively, what's the waiting list like?

    I got mine from On Your Bike at London Bridge who were friendly but had
    the usual competence of a bike shop, late delivery not quite matching
    the spec ordered. They did hold their hands up though and sorted it.
    They were happy to let me test ride a couple if I left a credit card
    (which has not yet been cloned) although they only had titanium ones to
    try when I was there which was beyond my budget.

    Took six weeks to get it to the shop and their "mechanic" set it up such
    that the gear cable was not attached at first. They sorted that and I
    then adjusted the gears so I could get all three gears. Hardly a ringing
    endorsement of the shop but I'm very happy with the bike.

    It is a 3 speed S Type with the straight bars which suits me, however I
    am the similar in build the the bloke in the Mr Muscle ads so I suspect
    not much of a comparison. You would probably need the telescopic seat post.

    With hub dynamo and mudguards it was not cheap however the bike to work
    scheme made it highly affordable.

    I would not relish going on a long ride on it but am sure I will go to
    Brighton on it just because it is there.

    Since you are round the corner I could pop round on it one day if you like.

    --chris

  14. congokid said:

    Not long after I bought my T3 mid-2001, one of the lads' mags - GQ or
    Loaded or something - decreed that folding bikes were not far behind
    sandals in being too hopelessly 'out' for its readers to be seen with.

    The Brom is an interesting one for street cred. Ride it by a
    school at chucking out time and you'll get laughed at. Stop and
    fold it up and it's the coolest thing they've seen.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  15. congokid said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    If it's street cred you're worried about, you've already lost most of
    it (at least in "proper bike" terms) with a step through frame and wee
    wheels.

    Not long after I bought my T3 mid-2001, one of the lads' mags - GQ or
    Loaded or something - decreed that folding bikes were not far behind
    sandals in being too hopelessly 'out' for its readers to be seen with.

    This is completely at odds with my experiences with my Brommie.
    I regularly take it to schools where it often becomes the centre of
    attention.
    Usual comment, often several times a day is "Cool bike, mister".
    "Where can i get one" and "Can I have a ride" follow closely.

    A couple of weeks back I received "Cool London bike you've got there"
    ....and this from some chavs in a park in downtown Eastleigh :-)

    It may help that I've replaced the rear support rollers with large yellow
    skateboard wheels, although I always thought their attraction was offset by
    the three teddy bear reflector stickers ;-)

    John B

  16. in message <[email hidden]>, congokid

    (') said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    If it's street cred you're worried about, you've already lost most of
    it (at least in "proper bike" terms) with a step through frame and wee
    wheels.

    Not long after I bought my T3 mid-2001, one of the lads' mags - GQ or
    Loaded or something - decreed that folding bikes were not far behind
    sandals in being too hopelessly 'out' for its readers to be seen with.

    That's one of the problems with cycling being accepted as a cool thing
    to do in the UK - style mag writers and editors, in particular those
    catering to men, have much more glossy and expensive toys to get excited
    over. Being the craven creatures they are, they always have an eye out
    for the next shindig to test drive fast cars in exotic locations.

    They're also being given at the very least a lot of freebies to persuade
    them to test drive fast cars in exotic locations, and to persuade their
    readers to spend their money on fast cars. They're good little
    mercenaries - once bought they stay bought, at least until someone offers
    them a bigger freebie.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    [ This .sig subject to change without notice ]

  17. elyob said:

    Right, got a new job in London and don't relish the Northern Line in the
    morning and have been glancing at the Brompton Catalogue.

    I'm a little confused ... I want one as cheap as possible but as practical
    as possible. I don't like the girly handlebars, not sure which of the gears
    is the best to go for and have read to get lower gearing.

    So, can anyone explain which one a heavy set 6ft bloke with powerful legs
    should go for? And where to buy that isn't Evans but may be able to change a
    few pieces if required. Alternatively, what's the waiting list like?

    Ta

    Having had a Brommie L6 for about three years,unfortunately I wouldn't
    buy another.

    Lovely to ride,the fold is excellent but the quality of the paintwork
    and components ( *cheap* springs to mind )leaves something to be desired
    IMHO.

    Of course things may have changed in the latest models.

    Sam Salt

  18. Den 2007-07-17 19:46:54 skrev Alan Braggins <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Simon

    Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, elyob

    Quoted message said:


    There is a big range of alternatives, but I'm thinking "buy British",
    "it
    is the best", "long term purchase", "resale value" etc ...

    Birdie's probably the best. Ruthlessly efficient sausage eating
    vorsprung
    durch technic, and all that. But zey haf veys of making you pay for it.

    Depends what you want it for. The Brompton folds into a neater package,
    so if that's your primary consideration in a folder, the Brompton is
    better.

    The Birdy would look ok in Star Trek. The Brompton would not, unless it's
    at Picard's old farm.

    Erik Sandblom

    --
    Oil is for sissies

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