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  1. The Quackbuster's Newest Scam - "Operation Cure-All"...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    July 7th, 2003

    Millions of Health Freedom fighters - Newsletter

    I need to make something clear. DO NOT, for a minute, think that the
    quackpot soldiers you see, like Stephen Barrett, and Robert Baratz, are
    running the whole quackbuster operation. They are not bright enough. They
    are the ones the quackbuster paymasters want us all to see. They're the
    front men. They've got their function, but it's only part of the game.

    I think the whole "Quackbuster" conspiracy, and I have documents that back
    up my thinking, is being run out of a conference room at a pharmaceutical
    advertising agency in New York City. It's there that all the decisions, and
    plans are made, about where to focus the campaign, who to attack, and what
    cards to play in each attack. It's there that the checks are written.

    Want some proof? It's coming. I'm working with P. J. (Joe) Lisa to
    re-publish his 1995 book "Assault on Medical Freedom." The new book will
    have, some changes, and four new chapters, bringing the conspiracy up to
    date. The information Joe, I, and some others are gathering, although for
    the book, will be also for delivery to Attorney General John Ashcroft and
    some others. Joe Lisa has thousands of pages of documents. We think
    there's enough for a Justice Department RICO (racketeering) complaint.

    The quackbuster operation in North America is simply a scam devised around
    the time the American Medical Association lost a Federal Court Case to the
    Chiropractors in 1987. It's function is to eliminate, suppress, or hamper
    with, anything that competes with the sale of drugs and surgery. It's here
    to make sure that "treatment," rather than "prevention," or "a cure," stays
    the "standard of care" in North American Health Care.

    The quackbusters have shifted focus. Today, I'm going to tell you what the
    new focus is, how it's being organized and run, and who has, and is going to
    be attacked, and why. In another newsletter I'm going to tell you how we,
    in the North American Health Freedom Movement are going to crush it.

    For them, it's all about pharmaceuticals controlling the North American
    Health market. For us, it's about getting real health care, right now.

    For years, quackbusting centered around the Federation of State Medical
    Boards (FSMB) operation. State Medical Board Members, Prosecutors,
    Investigators, Management, etc., were propagandized to believe that anything
    new in health care that wasn't drugs, or surgery, oriented, was health
    fraud. Their assignment, should they choose to take it (and not many of
    them did), was to terrorize MDs who embraced new things, and to attack
    non-MDs with "practicing medicine without a license."

    But the North American Health Freedom Movement woke up one morning and
    decided to kick the [censored] out of them. Health Freedom Bills, defenses of
    practitioners, exposes, you-name-it tactics, all began to work. EVERYTHING
    we did worked very well. We're winning everywhere.

    The focus has been shifted since the quackbuster paymasters discovered that
    (1) Barrett, and company, just can't deliver the goods, anymore. And (2)
    Robert Baratz, the current President of the National Council Against Health
    Fraud (NCAHF). who was brought up from the minor leagues with high hopes, is
    turning out to be an amusing (for us) embarrassment (for them).

    Now, the quackbusters are using the FTC/FDA "Operation Cure-All" as their
    platform. Herein, I'll detail how I think they're doing it. In another
    newsletter I'll tell you how simple it will be to thwart them - one more
    time.

    What's this "Operation Cure-All" thing?

    Upper management at the FTC and the FDA think they put this plan together to
    stop internet health fraud. I'm sure they had the best of intentions. But
    don't be fooled, it's a quackbuster operation. Not one run by the stooges,
    like Barrett, or Baratz, or Sampson, this is an exercise of the REAL
    quackbusters - those funding the whole anti-health care, preserve the
    drug/surgery status quo, operation. The whole plan was, no doubt, written
    in the back room of a pharmaceutical advertising agency, for a fee that
    would stagger the imagination. It reeks of big Pharma thinking. Barrett, et
    al, are Keystone Kops in this venue.

    Timothy Muris, at the FTC, and Mark McClellan, at FDA, are the targets of a
    drug company funded scam to use their agencies to kill off upstart
    competitors of the drug industry. So far, they're unaware of this - so let's
    fix that.

    The majority of employees of the FTC, FDA and Operation Cure-All apparently
    don't know, either, they are being USED to attack the very upstart
    competition the drug companies fear the most - supplements (that keep people
    healthy - so they don't need drug "treatment"😉, electro-medicine (that
    replaces drugs, without side effects), chelation (detoxification eliminates
    need for drugs), natural antibiotics (Like Colloidal Silver, Frankincense,
    Oregano Oil), and scientists and authors (like Hulda Regehr Clark PhD,
    Naturopath) who advocate a change in the way America delivers health care.

    What we'll probably have to do is to get a RICO/Civil rights, and Conspiracy
    to Violate Civil Rights, action, going against those controlling and
    manipulating it, and those FTC, FDA, and Operation Cure-All employees
    involved in the scam. We'll need to get Attorney General John Ashcroft
    involved in this, as well as FDA Internal Affairs, and the Inspector General
    at the FTC.

    So, what's "Operation Cure-All" up to? You can go to the self-promoting
    website "://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/06/cureall.htm" and read the sanctimonious
    words:

    "Operation Cure-All" Wages New Battle in Ongoing War Against Internet Health
    Fraud

    FTC, FDA and other law enforcement agencies move to stop Internet scams for
    supplements and other products that purport to cure cancer, HIV/AIDS and
    countless other life-threatening diseases. FTC also warns of risks
    associated with some supplements, including drug interactions."

    Sounds good, but the worm in the apple is that the definition of "health
    fraud" is the one written in a conference room of a pharmaceutical
    advertising agency. They might as well have come out openly, and said "if it
    competes with big Pharma, it's health fraud, and we're against it."

    The other REALLY bad thing about the FTC and the FDA is the huge amount of
    INTERNAL influence big pharma has on FTC and FDA thinking. When Dwight
    Eisenhower left the Presidency, one of the last things he did was to stop
    the revolving door between the Defense Department and Defense contractors.
    That has to happen with the FTC/FDA and big pharma - right now. Before
    America dies of a drug overdose.

    Here's how the scam works...

    Fact #1: The FTC/FDA system requires that claims about products must be
    based on "scientific proof." In translation, that means that every claim,
    or suggested claim, must be double-blind studied in 30 to 50 cities (usually
    on the inner city poor), and the "studies" will cost somewhere between 200
    to 400 million dollars each. Since herbals, and natural supplements, can't
    be patented, the FTC/FDA system has effectively given big Pharma a monopoly
    on approvals - since only big Pharma can afford the testing procedure.

    Gee, I wonder how that happened? Sarcasm intended.

    Fact #2: The FTC won't allow "testimonials." To them, someone saying "I,
    and 300 of my friends did this thing, and all of us were cured of cancer,
    and here's our medical records to prove it," is inadequate information. The
    reality of a "cure" is not in their vocabulary. It's still "unproven," and,
    according to them, you can't tell anyone about it. Saving lives, by passing
    around information, is to them, a criminal act.

    The FTC/FDA' Operation Cure-All, doesn't want anything to do with reality.
    It gets in the way.

    So, when big Pharma sees that somebody is cutting a little too deep into, or
    just threatening the future of, their drug market, checks are written, and a
    meeting takes place in New York City. There a plan (a standard format plan)
    is made. And the execution begins on Monday.

    Here's how they do it.

    The quackbusters decide who they're going to hit. The advertising agency
    (which controls major drug advertising placement) writes up the stories that
    are going to be distributed to their "letter writing brigade." The letter
    writers, following the guidelines, then write to the FTC, the FDA, and
    Operation Cure-All, to set a basis for the complaint. Then the ad agency
    writes stories, getting quotes from the likes of Barrett, Baratz, etc., on
    the victim. The stories are sent out to the media in which the advertising
    agency's drug clients advertise. The stories are printed in the media as
    though they were true.

    Once the stories hit the press, a second wave of letters goes out to the
    FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All, to put pressure on upper management to
    act. Then more media is generated, this time with quotes from the
    quackbuster insider FTC employees to make it sound official that the FTC is
    interested. Once this happens, letters and phone calls go out from
    supposedly "irate consumers (quackbusters)," once again to the FTC, the FDA,
    and Operation Cure-All upper management, demanding to know why they aren't
    doing something.

    Then, letters and phone calls go out from supposedly "irate consumers
    (quackbusters)" to certain members of Congress demanding to know why the
    FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All, aren't doing something.

    Within days, upper management of the FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All,
    are deluged with questions from more media, and Congress. They see the
    issue as important, and act against the victim - even if their is little or
    no evidence.

    After this, some poor [censored] is fighting for his life, while the plotters
    pop open a case of $1,000 a bottle champagne, congratulating themselves for
    another hit against their competitor.... And, more checks are written.

    This is, I believe, how the attack was organized against the Rife equipment
    manufacturers, Bob Barefoot Coral Calcium, SeaSilver, the Colloidal Silver
    proponents, etc... I have good reason to believe that EVERY ONE of the
    Operation Cure-All targets, right from the beginning, was arranged this way.

    For a sample of how it's done, click here for the petition, and here for
    the signers where the quackpots were attempting to stop the whole science of
    Homeopathy. They failed...

    So, why this new assault? Because the quackbusters are, basically,
    floundering. The old plan wasn't working.

    Why are the quackbusters floundering?

    The quackbuster operation in North America is floundering for a number of
    reasons.

    The number (1) reason is that the quackbusters underestimated the
    intelligence of the North American health consumer. Those consumers don't
    trust conventional medicine, anymore. Americans can sense when they are
    being lied to.

    (2) Americans have discovered "health," and they've worked out for
    themselves that "health" and "medicine" aren't the same thing.

    (3) Americans have worked out that that expensive "health plan" is a big
    waste of money - because all it pays for is "medicine." It doesn't pay for
    "health care." Insurance companies, and the US Government have caught on -
    and are adding new billing codes (ABC Codes) to deal with reality and
    demand. The American consumer, right now, is buying "health" out of their
    discretionary income - and the total amount of that is more than half of the
    total US health dollar.

    (4) The North American Health Freedom Movement is kicking the [censored] out of
    the quackbusters whenever, and wherever, they meet on a battlefield.

    (5) The whole idea of restricting American's health care offering to drugs
    and surgery is un-American. Even conventional MDs are getting fed up with
    the idea that "nothing new should be used in medicine unless it's been
    approved by a failed MD working out of his basement in Pennsylvania."

    (6) The people of New York State are waking up to the fact that right
    there, in their midst, is a cesspool of quackbuster activity. Not only New
    York City, but Buffalo. Plans are being made. Targets are being selected.

    (7) In the end, GOOD always triumphs over EVIL.

    We, in the North American Health Freedom Movement, need to destroy the
    quackbuster operation. For, Americans are suffering and dying. Nobody is
    going to fix this problem but us. We are the ones who understand what's
    happening. We also know what to do, and how to do it. So, let's do it.

    Stay tuned...

    Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    The Quackbuster's Newest Scam - "Operation Cure-All"...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Most of "consumer advocate" (ha ha ha) Bolen's ravings are too silly
    to even bother with, but I did love this one:

    Quoted message said:

    This is, I believe, how the attack was organized against the Rife equipment
    manufacturers, Bob Barefoot Coral Calcium, SeaSilver, the Colloidal Silver
    proponents, etc... I have good reason to believe that EVERY ONE of the
    Operation Cure-All targets, right from the beginning, was arranged this way.

    Given the total scam nature of each of these items, all I can say is:

    "Right on, Operation Cure-all!"

    It's good to see that the government can do something right even under
    Bush II.

    Quoted message said:

    For a sample of how it's done, click here for the petition, and here for
    the signers where the quackpots were attempting to stop the whole science of
    Homeopathy. They failed...

    "Science of Homeopathy" is an oxymoron.

    Quoted message said:

    (4) The North American Health Freedom Movement is kicking the [censored] out of
    the quackbusters whenever, and wherever, they meet on a battlefield.

    Boy, there's wishful thinking at its finest.

    Quoted message said:

    (7) In the end, GOOD always triumphs over EVIL.

    This remains to be seen -- but if true, it's bad news for the Bolens
    of this world.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  3. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    The Quackbuster's Newest Scam - "Operation Cure-All"...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Most of "consumer advocate" (ha ha ha) Bolen's ravings are too silly
    to even bother with, but I did love this one:

    Quoted message said:

    This is, I believe, how the attack was organized against the Rife


    equipment

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    manufacturers, Bob Barefoot Coral Calcium, SeaSilver, the Colloidal


    Silver

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    proponents, etc... I have good reason to believe that EVERY ONE of the
    Operation Cure-All targets, right from the beginning, was arranged this


    way.

    Quoted message said:


    Given the total scam nature of each of these items, all I can say is:

    "Right on, Operation Cure-all!"

    It's good to see that the government can do something right even under
    Bush II.

    Quoted message said:

    For a sample of how it's done, click here for the petition, and here for
    the signers where the quackpots were attempting to stop the whole science


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Homeopathy. They failed...

    "Science of Homeopathy" is an oxymoron.

    Quoted message said:

    (4) The North American Health Freedom Movement is kicking the [censored] out


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the quackbusters whenever, and wherever, they meet on a battlefield.

    Boy, there's wishful thinking at its finest.

    Quoted message said:

    (7) In the end, GOOD always triumphs over EVIL.

    This remains to be seen -- but if true, it's bad news for the Bolens
    of this world.

    In certain sectors there appears to be a fear of improving the condition of
    sick people if
    patented drugs aren't involved (I suspect they never will be). I wonder how
    this inevitable
    evolution of nature will play out. Here's what's going on in Canada.

    War on Natural Health Products Courting Disaster

    “Why the draconian measures?” asks MP Lunney

    OTTAWA—Dr. James Lunney, MP for Nanaimo-Alberni, stood up in the House of
    Commons today to draw attention to the plight of the mentally ill who are
    being denied access to their nutritional therapies:

    “Mr. Speaker, one in five Canadians experience mental Illness at some point
    in their lives. The cost to family and to society is enormous. Bipolar
    disease results in manic-depressive swings; people in the depressive phase
    of the illness are at high risk of suicide.

    Recently a Natural Health product was developed in Alberta that has brought
    hope to thousands of sufferers. Researchers at the University of Calgary
    lead by Dr. Bonnie Kaplan have documented the phenomenal recovery of severe
    cases. Results have been published in peer reviewed psychiatric journals and
    repeated by Harvard researcher, Dr. Charles Popper.

    Unbelievably, Mr. Speaker, Health Canada has ordered the study stopped and
    is withholding product at the border. This is because of an antiquated
    clause in the Food and Drugs Act that prevents claims about natural Health
    products.

    I was in Edmonton last week to meet with concerned citizens who feel their
    personal health and security are threatened by these actions of Health
    Canada. The Minister and her department are being sued, for obstructing the
    well being of people affected by the seizure of their nutritional products.

    Why does the Minister defend antiquated and unscientific clauses in the Food
    and Drugs Act that obstruct freedom of choice in personal health care?”

    “Studies on this product’s effectiveness have been published in the
    peer-reviewed Journal of Clinical Psychiatry (Vol 64:3, 2003) and the
    Journal of Child and Adolescent Psychopharmacology (Vol 12: 3, 2002). We
    understand that health Canada has moved to prohibit all shipments of this
    product by week’s end. To deny these people the product that has restored
    them to their families, jobs, and communities is unconscionable. Health
    Canada’s war on a harmless vitamins and mineral supplement that shows such
    benefit is courting disaster. Why the draconian measures?” asked Lunney.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Teacher said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    The Quackbuster's Newest Scam - "Operation Cure-All"...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Most of "consumer advocate" (ha ha ha) Bolen's ravings are too silly
    to even bother with, but I did love this one:

    Quoted message said:

    This is, I believe, how the attack was organized against the Rife


    equipment

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    manufacturers, Bob Barefoot Coral Calcium, SeaSilver, the Colloidal


    Silver

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    proponents, etc... I have good reason to believe that EVERY ONE of the
    Operation Cure-All targets, right from the beginning, was arranged this


    way.

    Quoted message said:


    Given the total scam nature of each of these items, all I can say is:

    "Right on, Operation Cure-all!"

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    War on Natural Health Products Courting Disaster

    “Why the draconian measures?” asks MP Lunney

    OTTAWA—Dr. James Lunney, MP for Nanaimo-Alberni, stood up in the House of
    Commons today to draw attention to the plight of the mentally ill who are
    being denied access to their nutritional therapies:

    Is this Lunney the Canadian equivalent of Orrin Hatch? Worse? The
    way the article is written, it looks as though Lunney has some sort of
    financial interest in whatever wonder product is being kept out of
    Canada. The article doesn't say what they are, and the phrasing reads
    a lot more like an advertising circular than a legitimate news
    article. Anyway, that was my immediate reaction before turning to
    google.

    A little web searching came up with more details. The product in
    question is called EMPower+. It's also made in Utah and sold in
    Alberta.

    If you'd like to read more about it, try this URL:

    http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Synergy/evaluation-2.html

    http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Synergy/index.html

    [I bet Jan sees that URL and starts foaming at the mouth and
    immediately announces that anything from that URL is LIES and
    that the product must therefore be manna from heaven. Someone
    let me know, assuming anyone sees this amidst the flood of
    nitwit postings on m.h.a about "evil females." I killfiled that
    thread, myself. Damn trolls.]

    There appears to be considerable chicanery going on here. The whole
    clinical trials picture is a shambles, and the company appears to be
    making extensive false claims. The product also contains both boron
    and germanium, two elements I'd swallow only if someone had a gun at
    my head. By the way, Dr James Lunney is a chiropractor, a fact not
    mentioned in the propaganda we've seen from "Teacher."

    And isn't it an interesting coincidence that "Teacher" shows up just
    after Spammin' Dave departs us, but quotes from the spammer?

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  5. Quoted message said:

    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 9/14/2003 6:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Do not try the grumps Quack URL, it's the very worst place to look for basis
    opinion, of one who is trying and failing to stop all alternative, and keep on
    pushing drugs.

    Jan

  6. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Teacher said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >The Quackbuster's Newest Scam - "Operation Cure-All"...
    >
    >Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Most of "consumer advocate" (ha ha ha) Bolen's ravings are too silly
    to even bother with, but I did love this one:

    >This is, I believe, how the attack was organized against the Rife


    equipment

    Quoted message said:

    >manufacturers, Bob Barefoot Coral Calcium, SeaSilver, the Colloidal


    Silver

    Quoted message said:

    >proponents, etc... I have good reason to believe that EVERY ONE of the
    >Operation Cure-All targets, right from the beginning, was arranged


    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    way.

    Quoted message said:


    Given the total scam nature of each of these items, all I can say is:

    "Right on, Operation Cure-all!"

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    War on Natural Health Products Courting Disaster

    “Why the draconian measures?” asks MP Lunney

    OTTAWA—Dr. James Lunney, MP for Nanaimo-Alberni, stood up in the House of
    Commons today to draw attention to the plight of the mentally ill who are
    being denied access to their nutritional therapies:

    Is this Lunney the Canadian equivalent of Orrin Hatch? Worse? The
    way the article is written, it looks as though Lunney has some sort of
    financial interest in whatever wonder product is being kept out of
    Canada. The article doesn't say what they are, and the phrasing reads
    a lot more like an advertising circular than a legitimate news
    article. Anyway, that was my immediate reaction before turning to
    google.

    A little web searching came up with more details. The product in
    question is called EMPower+. It's also made in Utah and sold in
    Alberta.

    If you'd like to read more about it, try this URL:

    http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Synergy/evaluation-2.html

    http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Synergy/index.html

    [I bet Jan sees that URL and starts foaming at the mouth and
    immediately announces that anything from that URL is LIES and
    that the product must therefore be manna from heaven. Someone
    let me know, assuming anyone sees this amidst the flood of
    nitwit postings on m.h.a about "evil females." I killfiled that
    thread, myself. Damn trolls.]

    There appears to be considerable chicanery going on here. The whole
    clinical trials picture is a shambles, and the company appears to be
    making extensive false claims. The product also contains both boron
    and germanium, two elements I'd swallow only if someone had a gun at
    my head. By the way, Dr James Lunney is a chiropractor, a fact not
    mentioned in the propaganda we've seen from "Teacher."

    Why do you think it matters what Dr. Lunney is a doctor of? He has the best
    interest of people in mind. Whose interest do YOU have in mind? The point
    here is that herbs and supplements are in fact food. That makes your "fears"
    pretty silly.

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Teacher said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Teacher said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > >The Quackbuster's Newest Scam - "Operation Cure-All"...
    > >
    > >Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen
    >
    > Most of "consumer advocate" (ha ha ha) Bolen's ravings are too silly
    > to even bother with, but I did love this one:
    >
    > >This is, I believe, how the attack was organized against the Rife
    equipment
    > >manufacturers, Bob Barefoot Coral Calcium, SeaSilver, the Colloidal
    Silver
    > >proponents, etc... I have good reason to believe that EVERY ONE of the
    > >Operation Cure-All targets, right from the beginning, was arranged


    this

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    way.
    >
    > Given the total scam nature of each of these items, all I can say is:
    >
    > "Right on, Operation Cure-all!"

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    War on Natural Health Products Courting Disaster

    “Why the draconian measures?” asks MP Lunney

    OTTAWA—Dr. James Lunney, MP for Nanaimo-Alberni, stood up in the House of
    Commons today to draw attention to the plight of the mentally ill who are
    being denied access to their nutritional therapies:

    Is this Lunney the Canadian equivalent of Orrin Hatch? Worse? The
    way the article is written, it looks as though Lunney has some sort of
    financial interest in whatever wonder product is being kept out of
    Canada. The article doesn't say what they are, and the phrasing reads
    a lot more like an advertising circular than a legitimate news
    article. Anyway, that was my immediate reaction before turning to
    google.

    A little web searching came up with more details. The product in
    question is called EMPower+. It's also made in Utah and sold in
    Alberta.

    If you'd like to read more about it, try this URL:

    http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Synergy/evaluation-2.html

    http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Synergy/index.html

    [I bet Jan sees that URL and starts foaming at the mouth and
    immediately announces that anything from that URL is LIES and
    that the product must therefore be manna from heaven. Someone
    let me know, assuming anyone sees this amidst the flood of
    nitwit postings on m.h.a about "evil females." I killfiled that
    thread, myself. Damn trolls.]

    There appears to be considerable chicanery going on here. The whole
    clinical trials picture is a shambles, and the company appears to be
    making extensive false claims. The product also contains both boron
    and germanium, two elements I'd swallow only if someone had a gun at
    my head. By the way, Dr James Lunney is a chiropractor, a fact not
    mentioned in the propaganda we've seen from "Teacher."

    Why do you think it matters what Dr. Lunney is a doctor of?

    Oh, I think it was disingenuous not to mention it, sort of implies
    he's an MD.

    Quoted message said:

    He has the best >interest of people in mind.

    Does he? How do we know? You seem to be under the impression that
    doctors are godlike beings who never have conflicts of interest or do
    anything questionable.

    Quoted message said:

    Whose interest do YOU have in mind? The point here is that herbs and
    supplements are in fact food. That makes your "fears" pretty silly.

    Boy, if I had any doubts that "Teacher" was Spammin' Dave Lowlife
    before, they're erased. Only an imbecile would try to claim that
    just because something is an herb or a supplement, it can't be
    harmful. And this Empower+ stuff has "supplements" in it that I
    wouldn't take, ever. Like germanium -- which is toxic. Look it up.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  8. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Boy, if I had any doubts that "Teacher" was Spammin' Dave Lowlife
    before, they're erased.

    You took too long to notice it.

  9. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Teacher said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Teacher <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >news:[email hidden]...
    >> In article <[email hidden]>,
    >> Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> >The Quackbuster's Newest Scam - "Operation Cure-All"...
    >> >
    >> >Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen
    >>
    >> Most of "consumer advocate" (ha ha ha) Bolen's ravings are too silly
    >> to even bother with, but I did love this one:
    >>
    >> >This is, I believe, how the attack was organized against the Rife
    >equipment
    >> >manufacturers, Bob Barefoot Coral Calcium, SeaSilver, the Colloidal
    >Silver
    >> >proponents, etc... I have good reason to believe that EVERY ONE of


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> >Operation Cure-All targets, right from the beginning, was arranged


    this

    Quoted message said:

    >way.
    >>
    >> Given the total scam nature of each of these items, all I can say


    is:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>
    >> "Right on, Operation Cure-all!"

    <snip>

    > War on Natural Health Products Courting Disaster
    >
    > “Why the draconian measures?” asks MP Lunney
    >
    >OTTAWA—Dr. James Lunney, MP for Nanaimo-Alberni, stood up in the House


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Commons today to draw attention to the plight of the mentally ill who


    are

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >being denied access to their nutritional therapies:

    Is this Lunney the Canadian equivalent of Orrin Hatch? Worse? The
    way the article is written, it looks as though Lunney has some sort of
    financial interest in whatever wonder product is being kept out of
    Canada. The article doesn't say what they are, and the phrasing reads
    a lot more like an advertising circular than a legitimate news
    article. Anyway, that was my immediate reaction before turning to
    google.

    A little web searching came up with more details. The product in
    question is called EMPower+. It's also made in Utah and sold in
    Alberta.

    If you'd like to read more about it, try this URL:

    http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Synergy/evaluation-2.html

    http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Synergy/index.html

    [I bet Jan sees that URL and starts foaming at the mouth and
    immediately announces that anything from that URL is LIES and
    that the product must therefore be manna from heaven. Someone
    let me know, assuming anyone sees this amidst the flood of
    nitwit postings on m.h.a about "evil females." I killfiled that
    thread, myself. Damn trolls.]

    There appears to be considerable chicanery going on here. The whole
    clinical trials picture is a shambles, and the company appears to be
    making extensive false claims. The product also contains both boron
    and germanium, two elements I'd swallow only if someone had a gun at
    my head. By the way, Dr James Lunney is a chiropractor, a fact not
    mentioned in the propaganda we've seen from "Teacher."

    Why do you think it matters what Dr. Lunney is a doctor of?

    Oh, I think it was disingenuous not to mention it, sort of implies
    he's an MD.

    Quoted message said:

    He has the best >interest of people in mind.

    Does he? How do we know? You seem to be under the impression that
    doctors are godlike beings who never have conflicts of interest or do
    anything questionable.

    Quoted message said:

    Whose interest do YOU have in mind? The point here is that herbs and
    supplements are in fact food. That makes your "fears" pretty silly.

    Boy, if I had any doubts that "Teacher" was Spammin' Dave Lowlife
    before, they're erased. Only an imbecile would try to claim that
    just because something is an herb or a supplement, it can't be
    harmful. And this Empower+ stuff has "supplements" in it that I
    wouldn't take, ever. Like germanium -- which is toxic. Look it up.

    What is your point? Is Spammin' Dave Lowlife the only person here that knows
    that herbs
    are food as opposed to drugs? I don't recall saying that all herbs aren't
    harmful.
    We don't eat the harmful ones. But we do eat the good ones. Do I have to
    explain that to you?

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Teacher said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Teacher <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why do you think it matters what Dr. Lunney is a doctor of?

    Oh, I think it was disingenuous not to mention it, sort of implies
    he's an MD.

    Quoted message said:

    He has the best >interest of people in mind.

    Does he? How do we know? You seem to be under the impression that
    doctors are godlike beings who never have conflicts of interest or do
    anything questionable.

    Quoted message said:

    Whose interest do YOU have in mind? The point here is that herbs and
    supplements are in fact food. That makes your "fears" pretty silly.

    Boy, if I had any doubts that "Teacher" was Spammin' Dave Lowlife
    before, they're erased. Only an imbecile would try to claim that
    just because something is an herb or a supplement, it can't be
    harmful. And this Empower+ stuff has "supplements" in it that I
    wouldn't take, ever. Like germanium -- which is toxic. Look it up.

    Quoted message said:

    What is your point? Is Spammin' Dave Lowlife the only person here
    that knows that herbs are food as opposed to drugs?

    The difference between a food and a drug is not really all that
    obvious. Is taking "natural" thyroid taking a supplement, but
    taking Synthroid is taking a drug?

    Quoted message said:

    I don't recall saying that all herbs aren't harmful.
    We don't eat the harmful ones. But we do eat the good ones. Do I have
    to explain that to you?

    You are far too stupid and ignorant to be able to explain anything to
    me. And in any case, you are clumsily attempting to dodge away from
    the question of exactly why a Canadian MP is defending a quack
    supplement whose promoters have repeatedly lied about it. So suppose
    we return to that question, since I have no intention of falling for
    your feeble attempts at evasion.

    Also, you should consider, if your tiny brain can encompass the
    concept, the old dictum of "the dose makes the poison." While you're
    at it, you might contemplate the difficulties of getting a consistent
    dose of an herb, since they are not yet standardized.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  11. In said:

    Boy, if I had any doubts that "Teacher" was Spammin' Dave Lowlife
    before, they're erased. Only an imbecile would try to claim that
    just because something is an herb or a supplement, it can't be
    harmful. And this Empower+ stuff has "supplements" in it that I
    wouldn't take, ever. Like germanium -- which is toxic. Look it up.

    Now, be nice. Germaniums are pretty and just because some
    people don't like the smell doesn't make them toxic.

    --
    | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
    | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
    | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
    end

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    D. C. Sessions said:
    In said:

    Boy, if I had any doubts that "Teacher" was Spammin' Dave Lowlife
    before, they're erased. Only an imbecile would try to claim that
    just because something is an herb or a supplement, it can't be
    harmful. And this Empower+ stuff has "supplements" in it that I
    wouldn't take, ever. Like germanium -- which is toxic. Look it up.

    Now, be nice. Germaniums are pretty and just because some
    people don't like the smell doesn't make them toxic.

    Don't you try evading me with that flowery language.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  13. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Teacher said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Teacher <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Why do you think it matters what Dr. Lunney is a doctor of?

    Oh, I think it was disingenuous not to mention it, sort of implies
    he's an MD.

    Well, I'm sure you are expressing some kind of paranoid feelings. DC or
    MD, I personally visit each.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >He has the best >interest of people in mind.

    Does he? How do we know? You seem to be under the impression that
    doctors are godlike beings who never have conflicts of interest or do
    anything questionable.

    I am amazed that you believe that you are able to judge my innermost
    thoughts. Are you a psychic?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Whose interest do YOU have in mind? The point here is that herbs and
    >supplements are in fact food. That makes your "fears" pretty silly.

    Boy, if I had any doubts that "Teacher" was Spammin' Dave Lowlife
    before, they're erased. Only an imbecile would try to claim that
    just because something is an herb or a supplement, it can't be
    harmful. And this Empower+ stuff has "supplements" in it that I
    wouldn't take, ever. Like germanium -- which is toxic. Look it up.

    Quoted message said:

    What is your point? Is Spammin' Dave Lowlife the only person here
    that knows that herbs are food as opposed to drugs?

    The difference between a food and a drug is not really all that
    obvious. Is taking "natural" thyroid taking a supplement, but
    taking Synthroid is taking a drug?

    Quoted message said:

    I don't recall saying that all herbs aren't harmful.
    We don't eat the harmful ones. But we do eat the good ones. Do I have
    to explain that to you?

    You are far too stupid and ignorant to be able to explain anything to
    me. And in any case, you are clumsily attempting to dodge away from
    the question of exactly why a Canadian MP is defending a quack
    supplement whose promoters have repeatedly lied about it. So suppose
    we return to that question, since I have no intention of falling for
    your feeble attempts at evasion.

    Also, you should consider, if your tiny brain can encompass the
    concept, the old dictum of "the dose makes the poison." While you're
    at it, you might contemplate the difficulties of getting a consistent
    dose of an herb, since they are not yet standardized.

    Your thinking is so narrow that you can't seem to grasp the fact that herbs
    are the same as
    (I have to explain that I am referring to non poisonous, non hallucinogenic,
    edible herbs) are food
    and as such can be eaten freely.

    Does this guy David Wright sound like he's following the program decribed
    below??

    The Quackbuster's Newest Scam - "Operation Cure-All"...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Sounds good, but the worm in the apple is that the definition of "health
    fraud" is the one written in a conference room of a pharmaceutical
    advertising agency. They might as well have come out openly, and said "if it
    competes with big Pharma, it's health fraud, and we're against it."

    Here's how the scam works...

    Fact #1: The FTC/FDA system requires that claims about products must be
    based on "scientific proof." In translation, that means that every claim,
    or suggested claim, must be double-blind studied in 30 to 50 cities (usually
    on the inner city poor), and the "studies" will cost somewhere between 200
    to 400 million dollars each. Since herbals, and natural supplements, can't
    be patented, the FTC/FDA system has effectively given big Pharma a monopoly
    on approvals - since only big Pharma can afford the testing procedure.

    Gee, I wonder how that happened? Sarcasm intended.

    Fact #2: The FTC won't allow "testimonials." To them, someone saying "I,
    and 300 of my friends did this thing, and all of us were cured of cancer,
    and here's our medical records to prove it," is inadequate information. The
    reality of a "cure" is not in their vocabulary. It's still "unproven," and,
    according to them, you can't tell anyone about it. Saving lives, by passing
    around information, is to them, a criminal act.

    The FTC/FDA' Operation Cure-All, doesn't want anything to do with reality.
    It gets in the way.

    So, when big Pharma sees that somebody is cutting a little too deep into, or
    just threatening the future of, their drug market, checks are written, and a
    meeting takes place in New York City. There a plan (a standard format plan)
    is made. And the execution begins on Monday.

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Teacher said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Teacher said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > In article <[email hidden]>,
    > Teacher <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > >Why do you think it matters what Dr. Lunney is a doctor of?
    >
    > Oh, I think it was disingenuous not to mention it, sort of implies
    > he's an MD.

    Well, I'm sure you are expressing some kind of paranoid feelings. DC or
    MD, I personally visit each.

    How nice for you. It was still deceptive.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >He has the best >interest of people in mind.
    >
    > Does he? How do we know? You seem to be under the impression that
    > doctors are godlike beings who never have conflicts of interest or do
    > anything questionable.

    I am amazed that you believe that you are able to judge my innermost
    thoughts. Are you a psychic?

    Are you? You claim that this MP has the best interest of people in
    mind. How the hell do you know?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Also, you should consider, if your tiny brain can encompass the
    concept, the old dictum of "the dose makes the poison." While you're
    at it, you might contemplate the difficulties of getting a consistent
    dose of an herb, since they are not yet standardized.

    Your thinking is so narrow that you can't seem to grasp the fact that
    herbs are the same as (I have to explain that I am referring to non
    poisonous, non hallucinogenic, edible herbs) are food and as such can
    be eaten freely.

    Your thinking is so silly that I hesitate to call it "thinking." Are
    you suggesting that it's impossible to overdose on an herb? Are you
    REALLY that stupid?

    Quoted message said:

    Does this guy David Wright sound like he's following the program
    decribed below??

    The Quackbuster's Newest Scam - "Operation Cure-All"...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Only imbeciles and the mentally unbalanced are convinced by Tim
    Bolen. Which are you?

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  15. --

    "Teacher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Here's how the scam works...

    Fact #1: The FTC/FDA system requires that claims about products must be
    based on "scientific proof." In translation, that means that every claim,
    or suggested claim, must be double-blind studied in 30 to 50 cities


    (usually

    Quoted message said:

    on the inner city poor), and the "studies" will cost somewhere between 200
    to 400 million dollars each. Since herbals, and natural supplements,


    can't

    Quoted message said:

    be patented, the FTC/FDA system has effectively given big Pharma a


    monopoly

    Quoted message said:

    on approvals - since only big Pharma can afford the testing procedure.

    It is true that FDA approval requires scientific proof of safety and
    efficacy. The "In translation" portion of the above statement is false in
    every assertion, though. The FDA can accept single blind or even unblinded
    studies where appropriate, and does NOT specify "30 to 50 cities." Subjects
    of drug studies are most often college student and health employee
    volunteers, not "inner city poor." While some studies are, indeed, quite
    expensive, only a very few cost as much as $M200 and most cost far less than
    that. Many, if not most, herbal preparations and "supplements" are patented.
    And the NIH has lots of money available to test "alternative" products.

    Quoted message said:

    Gee, I wonder how that happened? Sarcasm intended.

    Gee, I wonder who made up that [censored]? Sarcasm intended.

    Quoted message said:


    Fact #2: The FTC won't allow "testimonials." To them, someone saying "I,
    and 300 of my friends did this thing, and all of us were cured of cancer,
    and here's our medical records to prove it," is inadequate information.


    The

    Quoted message said:

    reality of a "cure" is not in their vocabulary. It's still "unproven,"


    and,

    Quoted message said:

    according to them, you can't tell anyone about it. Saving lives, by


    passing

    Quoted message said:

    around information, is to them, a criminal act.

    The FTC/FDA' Operation Cure-All, doesn't want anything to do with reality.
    It gets in the way.

    More untruths. "...you can't tell anyone about it." is nonsense. Have you
    ever heard of the first ammendmendment guaranteeing freedom of speech? You
    can tell anyone anything about what you and your friends did, and even claim
    you were cured of cancer. The FDA does prohibit unproven claims that a
    "supplement" treats a specific disease, but thanks to the 1992 weakening of
    the law, you CAN make such false health claims as "strengthens the immune
    system," or "restores pH balance." Reality need not be consulted.

    Quoted message said:


    So, when big Pharma sees that somebody is cutting a little too deep into,


    or

    Quoted message said:

    just threatening the future of, their drug market, checks are written, and


    a

    Quoted message said:

    meeting takes place in New York City. There a plan (a standard format


    plan)

    Quoted message said:

    is made. And the execution begins on Monday.

    The big pharm companies compete with each other...each trying to develop the
    next hot Viagra® type drug, or another profitable H2-inhibitor, or a new
    coxefib NSAID. I doubt that they spend much of their boardroom time
    discussing competition from ginseng. Do you have any evidence of those
    checks and NYC meetings? If so, don't bother posting it here; take it to the
    SEC and the Washington Post.

    --Rich

  16. Teacher said:

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    The Quackbuster's Newest Scam - "Operation Cure-All"...

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

    Most of "consumer advocate" (ha ha ha) Bolen's ravings are too silly
    to even bother with, but I did love this one:

    Quoted message said:

    This is, I believe, how the attack was organized against the Rife


    equipment

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    manufacturers, Bob Barefoot Coral Calcium, SeaSilver, the Colloidal


    Silver

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    proponents, etc... I have good reason to believe that EVERY ONE of the
    Operation Cure-All targets, right from the beginning, was arranged this


    way.

    Quoted message said:


    Given the total scam nature of each of these items, all I can say is:

    "Right on, Operation Cure-all!"

    It's good to see that the government can do something right even under
    Bush II.

    Quoted message said:

    For a sample of how it's done, click here for the petition, and here for
    the signers where the quackpots were attempting to stop the whole science


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Homeopathy. They failed...

    "Science of Homeopathy" is an oxymoron.

    Quoted message said:

    (4) The North American Health Freedom Movement is kicking the [censored] out


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the quackbusters whenever, and wherever, they meet on a battlefield.

    Boy, there's wishful thinking at its finest.

    Quoted message said:

    (7) In the end, GOOD always triumphs over EVIL.

    This remains to be seen -- but if true, it's bad news for the Bolens
    of this world.

    In certain sectors there appears to be a fear of improving the condition of
    sick people if
    patented drugs aren't involved (I suspect they never will be). I wonder how
    this inevitable
    evolution of nature will play out. Here's what's going on in Canada.

    War on Natural Health Products Courting Disaster

    “Why the draconian measures?” asks MP Lunney

    OTTAWA—Dr. James Lunney, MP for Nanaimo-Alberni, stood up in the House of
    Commons today to draw attention to the plight of the mentally ill who are
    being denied access to their nutritional therapies:

    “Mr. Speaker, one in five Canadians experience mental Illness at some point
    in their lives. The cost to family and to society is enormous. Bipolar
    disease results in manic-depressive swings; people in the depressive phase
    of the illness are at high risk of suicide.

    Recently a Natural Health product was developed in Alberta that has brought
    hope to thousands of sufferers. Researchers at the University of Calgary
    lead by Dr. Bonnie Kaplan have documented the phenomenal recovery of severe
    cases. Results have been published in peer reviewed psychiatric journals and
    repeated by Harvard researcher, Dr. Charles Popper.

    Unbelievably, Mr. Speaker, Health Canada has ordered the study stopped and
    is withholding product at the border. This is because of an antiquated
    clause in the Food and Drugs Act that prevents claims about natural Health
    products.

    I was in Edmonton last week to meet with concerned citizens who feel their
    personal health and security are threatened by these actions of Health
    Canada. The Minister and her department are being sued, for obstructing the
    well being of people affected by the seizure of their nutritional products.

    Why does the Minister defend antiquated and unscientific clauses in the Food
    and Drugs Act that obstruct freedom of choice in personal health care?”

    “Studies on this product’s effectiveness have been published in the
    peer-reviewed Journal of Clinical Psychiatry (Vol 64:3, 2003) and the
    Journal of Child and Adolescent Psychopharmacology (Vol 12: 3, 2002). We
    understand that health Canada has moved to prohibit all shipments of this
    product by week’s end. To deny these people the product that has restored
    them to their families, jobs, and communities is unconscionable. Health
    Canada’s war on a harmless vitamins and mineral supplement that shows such
    benefit is courting disaster. Why the draconian measures?” asked Lunney.

    Hey all...there's truth in every notation..you MAY have to DIG..But it
    MAY be there..SO Let's give the benefit of DOUBT a fair shake.

    I say this because very few KNOW WHO promoted the LAST few centuries of
    the Inquisition that cst over 900 milion ladies who specilaized in the THEN

    "medical profession" (sic: Delivering babies..and they wer eGOOD at it)
    However the "beginnings" of an ALLPOPATHIC movement that started about
    1200 AD...kept the Inquisition going till 1350 AD when the Mighty FLEA put
    an
    end to it! Over 900 million ladies BURNED at the stake!! Doctors prices are

    STILL HIGH! LOL! Doctors continued to smoke cigars during surgery and
    Hygiene did not come into the Picture untill the late 1800's.

    Dr REIF (SP??) did not come into the PIX till the mid 1900's when the FDA was

    first making waves and the AMA was ALL powerful! Reif had electronics skills

    that did wonderss to resonance-sensitive diseases. He was a leadin Pioneer.
    Even though HE payed the ultimate price...Medical clinics today are USING his
    technology!! DEJA VOUZ CIRCA 1350 AD??? B-ob1

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