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  1. "Patrick O'Grady" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    You may find this interesting: I don't believe I've ever
    worked for a paper whose sports section had a healthy ads-to-
    news ratio. I have a copy of today's Colorado Springs
    Gazette here in front of me, and in the 12-page Sports
    section, I count five smallish ads: one house ad (for the
    paper itself); one for a strip club; one for a massage
    parlor; one for a car dealership; and one for a "golf and
    games" outfit. Nine pages have no ads at all. Makes you
    think. Or maybe not.

    How does it compare to the business section? Visualizing
    quickly, I think if you have four sections: Int'l, nat'l,
    and local news / Business / Features / Sports, most of the
    ads are in the News and Features sections. Business and
    Sports are probably pretty close in their ratio. Then again,
    as you noted, we should probably factor in ad content (or
    subject). Interestingly, it's both Sports and Business that
    offer daily newspapers that are predominately focused on
    that aspect of news.

    That's about all I can manage (with no conclusions as you
    can see) with a Saturday morning head fogged by a vicious
    assault of pollen and allergies.

  2. "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    As long as the powers-that-
    be in the sports media
    don't understand bicycle
    racing, it will remain a
    freak show in their minds.

    Agreed, but the problem is not just the "powers-that-be".
    Ever sit down and watch a race with someone who's not
    familiar with the sport? Inevitably, the fist question they
    ask is, "Who's winning?" Usually, after you explain that
    it's three hours into a five hour race, and those eight guys
    with a fifteeen minute lead aren't going to win, and really
    aren't supposed to, and they're just working for their team
    leaders who are safely tucked somewhere in the pack waaaaay
    behind them....once you get done explaining all that,
    they're looking at you like you're some

    doing a trackstand--we might get what's going on and why
    it's exciting, but will the average viewer? They just don't
    get it. And why should they? In popular american sports,
    there really is no analog. I try to explain it as a chess
    match at 30 miles-per-hour, and that helps people understand
    some, but not much.

    Face it....our sport has a steep learning curve, and unless
    you have some knowledge of the strategy and tactics being
    played out, it mostly looks like a whole bunch of skinny
    white guys out for a ride.

    Most americans are rased in a sports culture that doesn't
    care for complex, drawn out stories. That's not to say they
    can't be made interested in them, it just takes a while. I
    think if you dropped the average sports fan into the crowd
    at a cross race, they would "get it" immediatley. The
    duration is fairly short, most of the action (on a good
    course) plays out where you can see it, and, generally, the
    front of the race is the front of the race. The same goes
    when I take a non-racing friend up to T-town. While there
    may be some things they don't understand or enjoy (the
    pursuit?), for the most part they enjoy the experience, and
    often they are more than willing to go again. So, I believe
    there are avenues to get the uninitated interested in our
    sport, but it ain't going to be easy or quick.

    You're also right about the the Lance/LeMond thing. That
    whole _Up Close and Personal_ approach to getting people
    interested in sport by getting them interested in the
    personalities involved really doesn't work. Every July
    people always ask, "How's Lance doing?" not, "Who's
    winning the

    personality isn't involved, for them the sport might as well
    cease to exist. There are some way to sell this sport to the
    public, but the cult of personality isn't one of them.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Most americans are raised in a ________ culture that
    doesn't care for complex, drawn out stories.

    I think that statement (with the edit) pretty much sums it
    up. Sadly.

  4. Faster Bordello <[email hidden]> wrote in news:c596s2$7v1$1
    @terabinaries.xmission.com:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Most americans are raised in a ________ culture that
    doesn't care for complex, drawn out stories.

    I think that statement (with the edit) pretty much sums it
    up. Sadly.

    Then `splain to me the popularity of the LoTR movies! As
    much as I would like to agree with you, I really can't. In
    many types of entertainment, americans love complex, drawn
    out stories. Even mundane forms like soap opera and reality
    shows--Survivor, for example--demonstrate this.

  5. "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:-
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    "Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    What cycling 'stars' does the American public know if
    you went into a 'sports bar' and said their names?
    Hampsten (Grand Tour winner),


    Hamilton

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    (LBL winner)? Nothstein (Oly Gold Medal winner)?
    Horner?

    Probably none of the above.

    And why is that Carl? When was the last time that you
    went into a sports bar, bought a beer and made them put
    on a bike race? This is a new way


    to

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    popularize bicycle racing - try it some time. Damned if
    it didn't even


    work

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    in France during Le Tour - which most people here think
    is the national French pastime and which most French are
    only vaguely aware of.

    Last time I checked, the TdF was going strong long before
    somebody came up with the bright idea of putting a TV in a
    bar. Probably well before any


    live

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    radio broadcasts of the race too. IIRC, the reason for the
    yellow jersey


    is

    Quoted message said:

    because Le Equipe was/is printed on yellow paper, likely
    the only form of mass media covering the event for quite
    some time.

    Sure, but the reason that the Tour became acceptable sport
    in the USA was Greg LeMond.

    Times have changed. If you ride over in Woodside area there
    are literally thousands of bicyclists that pass through
    there on any given weekend. However, only OLN is getting the
    message here and the reason is that they were smart enough
    to [censored] victory from the jaws of an increasingly ignorant
    and foolish main network system which thinks that audience
    ratings of less that 10% of the viewers isn't worth
    pursueing. In today's market that's foolish beyond
    ignorance.

    The reason that you would EVER see Monster Trucks crashing
    into one another on TV is because lard-assed pre-heart
    attack victims sit around in bars and watch that [censored] on TV.
    If more cyclists show up for the cycling shows, think what
    sort of impact that would have. Mostly young or young-
    looking, fit, healthy and with money to spend. Having fun
    and watching bicycle racing could change the entire
    perspective of sports TV in the USA.

    But it's going to take groups of riders showing up on OLN
    cycling Sundays at your local Sports Bars to get the ball
    rolling. It isn't as if this wouldn't be a kick.

    The only negative I can see is the chance of running into
    Palachick, Albright or Trdina if you live back east. That
    would certainly spoil any appetite. But that ain't a problem
    out here on the west coast where O'Grady is the worst thing
    you're likely to come across when he accidently sobers up
    and finds himself down at sea level. At least that's my
    understanding of cyclocross riders in the summer.

  6. Amit said:

    selections for RVV and PR, but he doesn't have the sprint
    (like PVP or Bettini) to finish it off with any certainty.

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    He's up there enough that if things go his way he can win,
    which is how he won G-W.

    Quoted message said:

    Moose is 39, Tafi is 38, Tchmil won his first World Cup
    race in '94 at the age of 31. George is 30, if he sticks
    around can have another 7-8 tries at the classics.

    That is very true. But it is also as true or more true about
    a ton of other riders. Up-there-a-lot-and-maybe-could-finish-one-
    off-some-day-if-things-go-well is not a profile to make a DS
    salivate at the prospect of building a team around you.

    That may happen someday but right now he doesn't even have
    the best classics record in his own team.

    Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

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