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"Fredster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Which in itself is interesting. How do speed cameras kill
thousands of people?

They do come aloive when you's asleepin' an' do dastardly
things, oi foinds willow woven into the shape of a boisoikle
and scented with garlic do keep 'em at bay.
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:33:23 -0000, "Fredster"
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It's nice to see he's changed his sig on his posts. now it
claims: "One third of roads fatalities are now caused by
speed cameras"

I thought he did that a long time ago?

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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:33:23 -0000, "Fredster"
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It's nice to see he's changed his sig on his posts. now it
claims: "One third of roads fatalities are now caused by
speed cameras"

I thought he did that a long time ago?

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Guy, there are problems with the serious injury figures.

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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:56:17 +0000, Paul Smith
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Guy, there are problems with the serious injury figures.

Paul, there are problems with your sense of reality.
It's absent.

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Just zis Guy, you know? <[email hidden]> typed:

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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:56:17 +0000, Paul Smith
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Guy, there are problems with the serious injury figures.

Paul, there are problems with your sense of reality.
It's absent.

Guy, you're talking to yourself.

Oh no, I just KFed Paul Smith a long while back. It's
nicer that way.

Just zis Guy said:

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:56:17 +0000, Paul Smith
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Guy, there are problems with the serious injury figures.

Paul, there are problems with your sense of reality.
It's absent.

Please don't start him off here Guy. He's now set up a
forum where comments can be made so I don't mind
advertising it for him.

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truthful, will be deleted in true SS style.

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Paul Smith said:

One third of roads fatalities are now caused by speed
cameras

Please do explain. Or have you left out the words, "the
absence of" between by and speed. Or perhaps the word
"cameras" is in the place of a full stop.

Gonzalez said:

Paul Smith said:

One third of roads fatalities are now caused by
speed cameras

Please do explain.

It's very simple. *Anyone* looking at the fatal accident
rate trend in 1993 would have predicted between 2,000 to
2,200 road deaths per annum on the roads by now. We have
not had that reduction. It's been stuck at 3,400 pa. With
30% of the 2003 figures in, it's looking like a substantial
rise in 2003 of 5% to 8%, giving a road deaths figure of
3,600 to 3,700.

(3600-2200)/3600 = 38.9%

I believe that the reason we didn't get the expected
reduction is because we've had a dangerously [censored] road
safety policy based on "speed kills" and speed cameras.
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Gonzalez said:

Paul Smith said:

One third of roads fatalities are now caused by speed
cameras

Please do explain.

It's very simple. *Anyone* looking at the fatal accident
rate trend in 1993 would have predicted between 2,000 to
2,200 road deaths per annum on the roads by now.

Only if they thought they had a mathematical description of
road deaths versus time. Only if they assumed that all road
safety improvements over the years merged into one all
pervading law of the universe. Only if they were idiots.

Paul Smith said:

On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 22:29:01 +0000, Gonzalez

Quoted message said:

Paul Smith said:

One third of roads fatalities are now caused by speed
cameras

Please do explain.

It's very simple.

Well, it'd have to be, for it to come from you.

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*Anyone* looking at the fatal accident rate trend in
1993 would have predicted between 2,000 to 2,200 road
deaths per annum on the roads by now. We have not had
that reduction. It's been stuck at 3,400 pa. With 30% of
the 2003 figures in, it's looking like a substantial
rise in 2003 of 5% to 8%, giving a road deaths figure of
3,600 to 3,700.

(3600-2200)/3600 = 38.9%

I believe that the reason we didn't get the expected
reduction is because we've had a dangerously [censored] road
safety policy based on "speed kills" and speed cameras.

But then it could have been because we reached the
saturation point where dangerously stupid people like you
became a significant enough proportion of the motoring
public to overwhelm an otherwise steadily decreasing road
carnage toll.

Oh, feck, it looks like P**l Sm*th isn't enough of an
obscuration to keep the tosspot away. I reckon he googles
each evening for his name just for the pleasure of the five
knuckle shuffle he can have when he sees it in print!

I'd suggest **** ***** in future. Or just stick to
"tosspot".

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It's very simple.

No. It's very complicated. You're simple.

*Anyone*

*Anyone* called P**l Sm*th that is. Everyone else disagrees,
but don't let that stop your infantile whinging and
distortion Paul. You always remind me of the old axiom
"better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open
your mouth and prove it."

looking at the fatal accident rate trend in

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1993 would have predicted between 2,000 to 2,200 road
deaths per annum on the roads by now. We have not had
that reduction. It's been stuck at 3,400 pa. With 30% of
the 2003 figures in, it's looking like a substantial rise
in 2003 of 5% to 8%, giving a road deaths figure of 3,600
to 3,700.

(3600-2200)/3600 = 38.9%

I believe that the reason we didn't get the expected
reduction is because we've had a dangerously [censored] road
safety policy based on "speed kills" and speed cameras.

You believe. Well that's a fact at least. The fact that
you ignore the evidence and skew what you don't ignore is
also a fact. Perhaps it's time that some sort of award was
made at a road safety conference for the most wilful,
deliberate ignoring of the facts, to be know as the P**l
Sm*th urinal pot.

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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:28:19 +0000 (UTC), "W K" <[email hidden]>

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>One third of roads fatalities are now caused by speed
>cameras

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Please do explain.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's very simple. *Anyone* looking at the fatal accident
rate trend in 1993 would have predicted between 2,000 to
2,200 road deaths per annum on the roads by now.

Quoted message said:

Only if they thought they had a mathematical description of
road deaths versus time.

Funny how the trend so closely approximated exponential
decay from 1950 until 1993, then suddenly changed.

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Only if they assumed that all road safety improvements over
the years merged into one all pervading law of the
universe.

It's a big stable population of drivers, vehicles and roads.
Nothing out there changes very fast.

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Only if they were idiots.

Ahh yes. I remember you.
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Trevor Barton said:

Oh, feck, it looks like P**l Sm*th isn't enough of an
obscuration to keep the tosspot away.

Do whatever you like. But someone from this newsgroup sent
me an email requesting that I come along and comment.
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The fact that you ignore the evidence and skew what you
don't ignore is also a fact.

Prove it. The web site has an honesty and accuracy policy
and you're welcome to put it to the test.

I can't imagine why you folk are so worried about the road
safety policy that gave us the safest roads in the World in
the first place.
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:30:43 +0000, Paul Smith
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I can't imagine why you folk are so worried about the road
safety policy that gave us the safest roads in the World in
the first place.

Because not all of us feel that removing all pedestrian and
cyclist traffic from the public road system and turning the
public roadways over for the exclusive use of motorised
vehicles is appropriate, even if it does bring down the
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:30:43 +0000, Paul Smith
<[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

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I can't imagine why you folk are so worried about the road
safety policy that gave us the safest roads in the World
in the first place.

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Because not all of us feel that removing all pedestrian and
cyclist traffic from the public road system and turning the
public roadways over for the exclusive use of motorised
vehicles is appropriate, even if it does bring down the
accident rate for non-occupants.

I wouldn't agree that "turning the public roadways over for
the exclusive use of motorised vehicles" was ever part of
road safety policy.
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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 22:49:07 +0000, Paul Smith
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It's very simple. *Anyone* looking at the fatal accident
rate trend in 1993 would have predicted between 2,000 to
2,200 road deaths per annum on the roads by now.

But *anyone* looking at the longer term trends would not
have done so. There is an opbvious exponential decay in
reductions dating back to the sixties. The trend follows
Smeed's Law tolerably closely.

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We have not had that reduction. It's been stuck at 3,400
pa. With 30% of the 2003 figures in, it's looking like a
substantial rise in 2003 of 5% to 8%, giving a road deaths
figure of 3,600 to 3,700.

And the roads on which the lack of trend is evident are the
ones without cameras. Oops!

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I believe that the reason we didn't get the expected
reduction is because we've had a dangerously [censored] road
safety policy based on "speed kills" and speed cameras.

That's because you are the transport equivalent of a
holocaust denier.

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:26:27 +0000, Paul Smith
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someone from this newsgroup sent me an email requesting
that I come along and comment.

It was irony. You are every bit as welcome here as a dose
of the clap.

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 00:30:43 +0000, Paul Smith
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The web site has an honesty and accuracy policy and you're
welcome to put it to the test.

Which is why you've now removed the 12mph page, right?

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