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  1. First of all, happy new year everyone!

    Now the question: has anybody here done an overseas charity ride? Like this
    one for example:
    <http://www.actionforcharity.co.uk/eventdetails.asp/urlsearch/Regain-Cycle-the-Nile>

    The minimum sponsorship is £2,600!!! Now that's a lot of money. And worst,
    if I pay the £250 fee and I don't collect the £2,600 before the ride, I
    don't get my fee back which puts a lot of pressure.

    How do you get round getting all that money? Lots of people refuse to donate
    b/c they think they are paying for your holiday, regardless that the money
    goes to a charity. Any tips/ideas/experiences?

    Thanks.

    Vivian
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    "We learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in school".
    No Surrender

  2. Vivian was thinking very hard :

    Quoted message said:

    First of all, happy new year everyone!

    Now the question: has anybody here done an overseas charity ride? Like this
    one for example:
    <http://www.actionforcharity.co.uk/eventdetails.asp/urlsearch/Regain-Cycle-the-Nile>

    The minimum sponsorship is £2,600!!! Now that's a lot of money. And worst,
    if I pay the £250 fee and I don't collect the £2,600 before the ride, I don't
    get my fee back which puts a lot of pressure.

    How do you get round getting all that money? Lots of people refuse to donate
    b/c they think they are paying for your holiday, regardless that the money
    goes to a charity. Any tips/ideas/experiences?

    I'm one of the "refusers", I'm afraid. Why do you think you pay £250 if
    you raise below £2,600 and nothing if you raise above this figure?
    Clearly, it's because a figure - which might be close to 10% - *does*
    go to pay the expenses of your holiday.

    If you want to raise mony for charity, you don't need to go abroad. If
    you want to see the world, don't expect me to subsidise you. Sorry.

    --
    Simon

  3. Vivian wrote on 06/01/2007 13:01 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    First of all, happy new year everyone!

    Now the question: has anybody here done an overseas charity ride?
    Like this one for example:
    <http://www.actionforcharity.co.uk/eventdetails.asp/urlsearch/Regain-Cycle-the-Nile>

    The minimum sponsorship is £2,600!!! Now that's a lot of money. And
    worst, if I pay the £250 fee and I don't collect the £2,600 before
    the ride, I don't get my fee back which puts a lot of pressure.

    How do you get round getting all that money? Lots of people refuse to
    donate b/c they think they are paying for your holiday, regardless
    that the money goes to a charity. Any tips/ideas/experiences?

    Yes, ask them exactly how much the trip really costs; write them a
    cheque so the costs are all covered. Now go and raise sponsorship with
    the clear conscience that none of it is being used to pay for your
    cycling holiday in a foreign country. Anything less and you are asking
    your sponsors to pay for your holiday when they probably think their
    money is all going to the charity.

    --
    Tony

    "...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
    wildly inaccurate..."
    Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

  4. "Vivian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Now the question: has anybody here done an overseas charity ride? Like
    this one for example:
    <http://www.actionforcharity.co.uk/eventdetails.asp/urlsearch/Regain-Cycle-the-Nile>

    The minimum sponsorship is £2,600!!! Now that's a lot of money. And
    worst, if I pay the £250 fee and I don't collect the £2,600 before the
    ride, I don't get my fee back which puts a lot of pressure.

    How do you get round getting all that money? Lots of people refuse to
    donate b/c they think they are paying for your holiday, regardless that
    the money goes to a charity. Any tips/ideas/experiences?

    If you pay the the holiday costs, ie 1315 + 250 quid (see the brochure),
    then all the money you raise will go to the charity, which means people
    won't be paying for your holiday. If you only pay the registration costs,
    and only manage 2600 quid sponsorship, 50% of everything people give is
    paying for your holiday.

    Thus there are two ways to go about this : pay it yourself, or raise money
    off people who don't care.

    cheers,
    clive

  5. Vivian said:

    First of all, happy new year everyone!

    Happy New Year to you too.

    Quoted message said:

    Now the question: has anybody here done an overseas charity ride? Like this
    one for example:
    <http://www.actionforcharity.co.uk/eventdetails.asp/urlsearch/Regain-Cycle-the-Nile>

    The minimum sponsorship is £2,600!!! Now that's a lot of money. And worst,
    if I pay the £250 fee and I don't collect the £2,600 before the ride, I
    don't get my fee back which puts a lot of pressure.

    What? The pressure that *you* may have to pay something?
    (sorry if this sounds hard, but these trips do grate a little).

    Quoted message said:

    How do you get round getting all that money? Lots of people refuse to donate
    b/c they think they are paying for your holiday,

    That's because in many cases they are.

    Quoted message said:

    regardless that the money
    goes to a charity.

    All 100%?
    Not according to the brochure.
    £1315 goes towards the cost of the tour which is "paid by the charity from the
    sponsorship funds you raise".
    So it would seem if I donate £100, £50 will go to the charity and £50 will go towards
    your holiday.
    Count me out thanks.

    Quoted message said:

    Any tips/ideas/experiences?

    Arrange a 'challenge' yourself, and make sure everything people donate goes to the
    charity. That way you may be able to raise even more money and the contributors will
    know that they won't be paying towards a holiday trip.
    Or you could pay the £1315.

    John B

  6. Quoted message said:

    First of all, happy new year everyone!

    Hullo.

    Quoted message said:

    Lots of people refuse to donate b/c they think

    They don't think, they know!

    As well as the £1315+£250, you have to pay for a host of other things as
    well, so this could end up costing you, as well as your sponsors, lots and
    lots! All seems rather bad value for money to me, but then the holiday
    makers aren't paying for it 🙁

    Most (all?) of these sponsored holidays have a similar way of working, so
    the only honest thing to do is, as others have suggested, find a sponsored
    holiday you like the look of and pay for it out of your own pocket.

    (from <www.actionforcharity.co.uk/PDFs/Regain%20Cycle%20Nile%
    20brochure.pdf>:

    The registration fee for taking part in the event is £250 per person. This
    is solely to cover non-travel costs and is not refundable under any
    circumstances.

    The tour costs for the ride are £1,315 approx. for each person. These will
    be paid by the charity from the sponsorship funds you raise, unless you
    choose to pay them yourself. This will cover return flights from London;
    accommodation; meals and refreshments; transport and transfer of luggage
    throughout; technical and medical support; local and Englishspeaking guides
    and bikes. In addition to paying your registration fee you will need to
    budget for airport and departure taxes, personal travel insurance, a
    tourist visa, gratuities, optional tours and personal
    expenses including travel to and from the departure airport.

  7. "Vivian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    First of all, happy new year everyone!

    Now the question: has anybody here done an overseas charity ride? Like
    this one for example:
    <http://www.actionforcharity.co.uk/eventdetails.asp/urlsearch/Regain-Cycle-the-Nile>

    The minimum sponsorship is £2,600!!! Now that's a lot of money. And
    worst, if I pay the £250 fee and I don't collect the £2,600 before the
    ride, I don't get my fee back which puts a lot of pressure.

    How do you get round getting all that money? Lots of people refuse to
    donate b/c they think they are paying for your holiday, regardless that
    the money goes to a charity. Any tips/ideas/experiences?


    I think that you'll find a lot of folk will baulk at forking out for what
    is, quite rightly, seen as a subsidised holiday. After all, where is the
    challenge/hardship in a fully supported sightseeing tour in foreign climes?
    If you aren't confident that you can con/persuade folk to part with their
    money then you shouldn't consider registering for the event. If, however
    you are certain that you can get the money you should get your sponsors to
    pay in advance else you'll spend many times the amount of time getting folk
    to sign up to cought up with the dosh.

    I have twice turned down the opportunity to raise money for charity when
    well intentioned friends wanted to sponsor my LEJOG and JOGLE rides. Past
    experience of collecting the money pledged in moments of enthusiasm and
    parted with under duress makes it very unlikely that I will ever accept
    sponsorship unless the money is handed over on the spot that is, of course,
    if I ever participate in a sponsored event again.

  8. "John B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Vivian said:

    First of all, happy new year everyone!

    Happy New Year to you too.

    Quoted message said:

    Now the question: has anybody here done an overseas charity ride? Like
    this
    one for example:
    <http://www.actionforcharity.co.uk/eventdetails.asp/urlsearch/Regain-Cycle-the-Nile>

    The minimum sponsorship is £2,600!!! Now that's a lot of money. And
    worst,
    if I pay the £250 fee and I don't collect the £2,600 before the ride, I
    don't get my fee back which puts a lot of pressure.


    There was a thread a while ago about some guy who was cycling from London to
    Paris and wanted sponsorship. He wasn't received terribly well, not least
    because he was, if not lying, then very economical about the truth regarding
    how much money went to charity.

    http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.cycling/browse_frm/thread/21a375cead1e0b4b/353de66c292d1b35#353de66c292d1b35

    My thoughts are that if you want a cycling holiday, then pay to go on one.
    If you want to raise money for charity, then raise money for charity. I do
    know of a couple of people who used their cycling holidays to raise
    sponsorship for a charity - but they paid completely for their holiday, and
    all additional donated monies went to the charity.

    There are lots of good companies if you want to go on an organised tour.

    Peter

  9. Vivian said:

    The minimum sponsorship is £2,600!!! Now that's a lot of money. And worst,
    if I pay the £250 fee and I don't collect the £2,600 before the ride,I
    don't get my fee back which puts a lot of pressure.

    How do you get round getting all that money? Lots of people refuse to donate
    b/c they think they are paying for your holiday, regardless that the money
    goes to a charity. Any tips/ideas/experiences?


    I agree with the other comments about asking to pay for people to pay
    for your holiday, but also see the other side in that the charity gets
    you to collect money you wouldn't collect anyway. I decided not to do
    one of these myself. However, when I was considering it, I know
    MacMillan Cancer do a future schem where you register with them and
    they keep a note of how much you raise and you are not commited to any
    particular trip, and so no deadlines. After you have raised the £2,600
    or whatever, you sign up for a trip. You can then get everyone to
    sponsor you for that too and raise lots more.
    This is better than not raising any money for charity, but not as good
    as paying for our own holiday and still doing the same fund-raising.
    Anyway, £2,600 is not hard if you organise some events, rather than
    just asking for sponsorship
    PhilO

  10. "PhilO" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I agree with the other comments about asking to pay for people to pay
    for your holiday, but also see the other side in that the charity gets
    you to collect money you wouldn't collect anyway. I decided not to do
    one of these myself. However, when I was considering it, I know
    MacMillan Cancer do a future schem where you register with them and
    they keep a note of how much you raise and you are not commited to any
    particular trip, and so no deadlines. After you have raised the £2,600
    or whatever, you sign up for a trip. You can then get everyone to
    sponsor you for that too and raise lots more.
    This is better than not raising any money for charity, but not as good
    as paying for our own holiday and still doing the same fund-raising.
    Anyway, £2,600 is not hard if you organise some events, rather than
    just asking for sponsorship
    PhilO

    Thanks for all the responses (except Simon D!). It was never my intention
    to ask you lot for any money. I just thought that someone here might have
    done one of these trips and could share the experience/tips on how to raise
    money.

    That's all.

    V

  11. Vivian said:

    Thanks for all the responses (except Simon D!).

    Funny, Simon D, was perfectly civil, although disagreeing strongly with your
    point of view.

    Never mind.

    A

  12. Vivian said:

    Thanks for all the responses (except Simon D!).

    Your response was rude and unnecessary.

    Quoted message said:

    It was never my intention
    to ask you lot for any money. I just thought that someone here might have
    done one of these trips and could share the experience/tips on how to raise
    money.

    Although not one of the charity holidays my daughter (then aged 13) had to
    raise £2800 to attend the World Scout Jamboree in Thailand a few years back.
    The sum was to cover her own attendance and subsidise that of scouts from less
    well-off parts of the world.
    Rather than going around holding the hand out she set about raising the funds
    by organising and carrying out a wide range of worthwhile activities - all of
    which helped her own personal development too.

    These included:
    Litter clearing after a major charity music festival;
    Running BBQ stalls at charity fund-raising events at local pubs;
    Running games at local fetes;
    Organising a Jumble Sales;
    Organising Car Boot Sales:
    Assisting at car-parking stewarding at charity events...
    There was one self-arranged charity ride she did - round the IOW, where she
    did all the route planning, costings, transport bookings etc for a group of
    other scouts.

    By carrying out these activities she showed commitment and responsibility.
    This attracted further support by some local youth trusts who then pledged
    help, which was tied to her completing a self-supported LEJOG ride.

    Eventually after nearly two years hard work she had raised enough to go to
    Thailand and Malaysia.

    You get the drift? Run activities yourself to raise the money.

    It may also help *your* own personal development as the response to Simon D
    clearly shows some is needed.

    John B

  13. "John B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    <snip><snip>

    Although not one of the charity holidays my daughter (then aged 13) had to
    raise £2800 to attend the World Scout Jamboree in Thailand a few years
    back.
    The sum was to cover her own attendance and subsidise that of scouts from
    less
    well-off parts of the world.
    Rather than going around holding the hand out she set about raising the
    funds
    by organising and carrying out a wide range of worthwhile activities - all
    of
    which helped her own personal development too.

    These included:
    Litter clearing after a major charity music festival;
    Running BBQ stalls at charity fund-raising events at local pubs;
    Running games at local fetes;
    Organising a Jumble Sales;
    Organising Car Boot Sales:
    Assisting at car-parking stewarding at charity events...
    There was one self-arranged charity ride she did - round the IOW, where
    she
    did all the route planning, costings, transport bookings etc for a group
    of
    other scouts.

    By carrying out these activities she showed commitment and responsibility.
    This attracted further support by some local youth trusts who then
    pledged
    help, which was tied to her completing a self-supported LEJOG ride.

    Eventually after nearly two years hard work she had raised enough to go to
    Thailand and Malaysia.

    You get the drift? Run activities yourself to raise the money.

    It may also help *your* own personal development as the response to Simon
    D
    clearly shows some is needed.

    John B

    I must say that I very much agree with John B's post and find it a
    refreshing attitude taken by his daughter.

    I am personally not in favour of this sort of Charity sponsorship. If a
    person really wants to give help to a charity in real terms then they should
    offer their help in a more direct and physical way rather than tootling off
    on some holiday and expecting people to cough up money while you enjoy
    yourself. Far better to actually just donate money direct to the charity
    concerned. But getting out there in person and working for the charity in
    real time is better, both for the charity and for the person doing it.

    When I undertook to do a cycling pilgrimage from my home all the way to
    Santiago de Compostela in April 2004 I was frequently asked why I was not
    seeking sponsorship. Most seemed incapable of understanding that it was very
    much a personal challenge, both physical and mental, for me. I wanted no
    distractions and found the actual journey hugely invigorating and life /
    mind changing. I also enjoyed it immensely ( even the 4 days with snow in
    the Spanish mountains were, retrospectively, "fun"😉

    I believe that to have looked for financial support would have watered down
    that achievement. At 66 years old I bought a bike, spent some 5 months
    training on an unfailing daily basis and then cycled camped my way through
    England, France and Spain -- never having done such a trip ever before!
    Every day, as I travelled was a totally new experience. I had no idea
    whether I would achieve my aim and I shall never forget sitting with my back
    to a wall of the cathedral on a cool but sunny afternoon on 11 May 2004 and
    having a bit of a weep -- I couldn't believe that I had done it

    The "spin-offs" were huge for me personally because I am still cycling
    daily, covering about 5000 miles a year and am on velo no.3 and I'm still
    alive!

    Trevor A Panther
    In South Yorkshire,
    England, United Kingdom.
    www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk


  14. Quoted message said:


    I must say that I very much agree with John B's post and find it a
    refreshing attitude taken by his daughter.

    When my son did Operation Wallacea in Egypt (two weeks conservation work),
    he paid for most of it himself. His Dad & I paid very little. The rest he
    paid for using his education maintenance allowance, winnings from cycling
    and fund-raising events. Doing that way does indeed show commitment &
    responsibility on the part of the youngster involved and I think it's the
    best way to do it. The kids doing it that way really do seem to 'grow' as
    people.

  15. "Vivian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "PhilO" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for all the responses (except Simon D!). It was never my intention
    to ask you lot for any money. I just thought that someone here might have
    done one of these trips and could share the experience/tips on how to
    raise money.

    That's all.

    lol
    you've been to your anger management class today, then.
    peter

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