Outta boy, Conventional Medicine

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Hey, we had a touchdown here today in the doctor's office.
Conventional medicine doctor approved of a supplement,
"Premier Labs", Raw Thyroid, prescribed to a patient with
a thyroid problem.....doctor read up on the information on
the patient's problem, and read up on the products

available,

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and wholly endorsed the product. Whatta good day!!!

He's nuts. This is what this potentially dangerous product
contains (from New Zealand cattle that you hope are free of
prions or other transmissable agents.).

Thyroid Tissue 50 mg ? Adrenal Tissue 20 mg ?
Pituitary Tissue 10 mg ? Thymus Tissue 5 mg ? Spleen
Tissue 5 mg ? Kelp 300 mg ?

Lots of potential there for stuffing up someone's hormonal
environment. The purchaser's best hope is that the product
is inert. However, dessicated animal thyroid used to be used
within medicine for thyoid insufficiency, It was very
variable in activity. Who would trust this crowd to ensure
that each batch had comparable biological activity? At
$12.75 for sixty capsules I will bet this product is never
so tested or standadised.

Peter Moran

<< However, dessicated animal thyroid used to be used within
medicine for thyoid insufficiency, It was very variable in
activity. >>

Conventional doctors still prescribe Armour
Thyroid...believe that it is pork.

<< Who would trust this crowd to ensure that each batch had
comparable biological activity? At $12.75 for sixty
capsules I will bet this product is never so tested or
standadised. >>

Who cares what you think, Peter....the product was
prescribed for someone other than yourself, and therefore,
you shouldn't be worried about it...the person is under a
conventional doctor's care.....I'm sure he was aware of what
he was prescribing when he prescribed it..

"If you're gonna walk on thin ice, you may as well dance."
(Jessie Winchester).

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<< However, dessicated animal thyroid used to be used
within medicine for thyoid insufficiency, It was very
variable in activity. >>

Conventional doctors still prescribe Armour
Thyroid...believe that it is pork.

Conventional doctors who still live in the stone age, maybe.
They're the ones who still prescribe triple bromides, too.

Animal derived thyroid hormone was famously variable in
its content and bioavailability; that's why synthetics
(tested, standardized) are now the standard of care. I
talked to an endocrinologist the other day who said that
among the hundreds of patients he has on thyroid hormone,
only ONE still uses animal-derived product, and that's a
little old lady who has been on it since the 60's and
refuses to change.

Mark, MD

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<< Who would trust this crowd to ensure that each batch
had comparable biological activity? At $12.75 for sixty
capsules I will bet this product is never so tested or
standadised. >>

Who cares what you think, Peter....the product was
prescribed for someone other than yourself, and therefore,
you shouldn't be worried about it...the person is under a
conventional doctor's care.....I'm sure he was aware of
what he was prescribing when he prescribed it..

"If you're gonna walk on thin ice, you may as well dance."
(Jessie Winchester).

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<< However, dessicated animal thyroid used to be used
within medicine for thyoid insufficiency, It was very
variable in activity. >>

Conventional doctors still prescribe Armour
Thyroid...believe that it is

pork.

Armour thyroid is Dessicated thyroid USP, which has been
used for hypothyroidism for a century, and which has to
conform to similar quality standards as a drug. . The
problems with stabilising hypothyroidism with variable
animal products may still hold, but may be less now that we
have an accurate simple test in the form of TSH as a guide.
There is certainly no evidence that thyroid gland products
are in general superior to thyroxine.

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<< Who would trust this crowd to ensure that each batch
had comparable biological activity? At $12.75 for sixty
capsules I will bet this product is never so tested or
standadised. >>

Who cares what you think, Peter....the product was
prescribed for someone

other

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than yourself, and therefore, you shouldn't be worried
about it...

If it is of no concern to us, why are you here promoting
it? Once you have done that, it is vital that people are
warned anout it.

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the person is under a conventional doctor's care.....I'm
sure he was aware of what he

was

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prescribing when he prescribed it..

There are some bad doctors about, and if all that you state
is true, this is one of them. . I don't think ANYONE should
be taking such a product. As something marketed as a
"supplement", you have no assurance that it contains
standardised levels of thyroid hormones, and the adrenal and
pituitary content can only do harm by inducing Cushing's
disease (hyperadrenalism) and other hormonal problems.

I would make sure he does know the full contents of this
product. If he does, and does not see a problem with it,
find another doctor.

Peter Moran

Did the doctor read any scientific studies on the product
firt? Anth

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Quoted message said:

Hey, we had a touchdown here today in the doctor's office.
Conventional medicine doctor approved of a supplement,
"Premier Labs", Raw Thyroid, prescribed to a patient with
a thyroid problem.....doctor read up on the information on
the patient's problem, and read up on the products

available,

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and wholly endorsed the product. Whatta good day!!!

"If you're gonna walk on thin ice, you may as well
dance." (Jessie

Winchester).

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Did the doctor read any scientific studies on the product
firt? Anth

Consider the source of the anecdote. Most likely, it didn't
happen. If the entire event isn't pure fiction, then
perhaps a MD suggested that a person take a particular
supplement as opposed to taking something more dangerous or
nothing at all.

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Hey, we had a touchdown here today in the doctor's
office. Conventional medicine doctor approved of a
supplement, "Premier Labs", Raw Thyroid, prescribed to a
patient with a thyroid problem.....doctor read up on the
information on the patient's problem, and read up on the
products

available,

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and wholly endorsed the product. Whatta good day!!!

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<< There is certainly no evidence that thyroid gland
products are in general superior to thyroxine.

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Why are there no tests? Or studies?

<< If it is of no concern to us, why are you here
promoting it? Once

you

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have done that, it is vital that people are warned
anout it. >>

I'm not promoting it, I am just stating "fact" that
someone was prescribed

this

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by a conventional medicine doctor, there is nothing wrong
with that in

this

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newsgroup, is there?

You can say what you like on this newsgroup (apparently) but
that does not mean your opinions will not be challenged if
they can lead to bad medicine.

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<< There are some bad doctors about, and if all that you
state is true,

this is

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one of them. . >>

I am going to get the name of the doctor, and give him a
copy of your

insult

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towards him. After all, Peter, he is a specialist, and
apparently, from

what I

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can tell about your credentials, that you do not have a
license to

practice

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here in the U.S., or any other place for that
matter, right?

I am very happy to have my judgement on this particular
issue tested against anyone. For your information I am still
registered as a specialist surgeon in Australia, and am
still a full fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons of
Australia (also of England, but unfinancial at the moment
and likely to remain so now I am retired)..

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To call someone, you do not know a "bad doctor" because in
your opinion, you are insulting

his

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work as a specialist.

So be it. I do not resile. I will also eat my hat if this
person is an endocrinologist, which is the only specialty of
relevance here. (Thyroid surgery was part of my field which
involves considerable extra training in the field)

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<< I would make sure he does know the full contents of
this product. If

he

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does, and does not see a problem with it, find another
doctor. >>

I'm sure this doctor will take your non-expert advise with
a grain of

salt,

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after all the product (I saw the bottle), has directions
to either take

one

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capsule a day, or as directed by your physician....

I await your further information on this "doctor" with
great interest. First let me see what HIS qualifications
really are!!!.

So far you have shown no awareness of the problems I
raise. Why be giving a person with thyroid failure adrenal
and pituitary hormones? Do you have any idea of the
dangers of such? .

Peter Moran

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"If you're gonna walk on thin ice, you may as well
dance." (Jessie

Winchester).