Outdoor running my ass

PB said:

Up here in Ottawa Ontario, winters are long and cold, summers brutally
humid.

I just checked the weeks forecast. It's cold, but nothing exceptional.

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I can only see maybe 5 months where it would be comfortable to run
outside at best. (March-June) (September-October)

So, what do people in this type of climate areas do ?

Most of them whine about how hot and cold it is, which means that the real
runners have the roads to themselves.

I live near New York City. It gets down to single digits fahrenheit in winter.

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Still run outdoors in winter ?

Yep.

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What kind of shoes and clothes ?

Actually, there's a Canadian brand name, Sugoi who make very good winter
clothing. My favourite two brands are Sporthill and Sugoi.

Most of us just wear normal running shoes.

Running in winter is actually fairly comfortable if you dress properly. You
usually a little feel cold for the first mile or so while you warm up but it's
good after that.

This issue has been discussed in depth here, and at the time, I took the
trouble to post input from a number of contributors on my webpage.

http://www.pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/running/winter_reviews/

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In very humid weather, isn't it dangerous ?

Not really.

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Any advice would help.

Go outside. And quit whining.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Donovan Rebbechi said:

PB said:

Up here in Ottawa Ontario, winters are long and cold, summers brutally
humid.

You're just trolling, right Ottawa? Well that's not gonna stop me.

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I just checked the weeks forecast. It's cold, but nothing exceptional.

Indeed, wunderground.com knows about 5 Ottawas. At the moment, Ottawa
Ontario is warmer than all but one of them, Ottawa West Virginia.

As I write this it is 55F in Ottawa, just about the ideal running
temperature. Shorts and a shirt. Short sleeve or singlet if you're
racing, long sleeve for a slower training run. You're not even into
tights or pants weather yet, let alone unrunnable.

Ottawa poster, your summers are milder than, I daresay, summers for
most of the posters here. NYC is hotter and muggier, and even so we've
got it good compared to Florida and Georgia, and probably the south of
France. Alaska and Finland probably have milder summer weather than
you - but don't whine to them about your winters.

And winters, well, you can dress for the cold. Unless you're talking
super biting bitter fiercely insanely cold, or have some medical
condition with a name, winter cold is a soluble problem.

Of course, nobody's trying to force you to run in the winter. Or the
summer, or at all.

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I can only see maybe 5 months where it would be comfortable to
run outside at best. (March-June) (September-October)

So, what do people in this type of climate areas do ?

Flock to Mexico for the winters. I'll never forget the observation of
a middle aged Mexican woman in Las Varas, Nayarit, as a group of your
countrymen and -women, escaping the Canadian winter, huddled in the
shade of a store's awning as though they were some kind of vampires,
allergic to the sun. "I don't understand," she laughed, "they run from
the cold, and then they run from the heat!"

PB said:

Up here in Ottawa Ontario, winters are long and cold, summers brutally
humid.

I can only see maybe 5 months where it would be comfortable to run
outside at best. (March-June) (September-October)

So, what do people in this type of climate areas do ? Still run outdoors
in winter ? What kind of shoes and clothes ? In very humid weather,
isn't it dangerous ?

Any advice would help. I have trouble going to gym more than 1 or 2
times a week. I play various sports in summer, leisurely, and bike and
sim a little, but can't do serious running without a treadmill at home.
(no money for electric motor one)

It gets cold in Pennsylvania and we're just coming off a very hot humid
summer. My solution. Dress appropriately and get outside.

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Actually, there's a Canadian brand name, Sugoi who make very good
winter clothing. My favourite two brands are Sporthill and Sugoi.

Same here. Where have you been getting your Sugoi gear? I've found some
decent prices at holabirdsports.com and revelsports.com. Their singlets
are particularly hard to come by, at least online.

--
Phil M.

Phil M. said:

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Actually, there's a Canadian brand name, Sugoi who make very good
winter clothing. My favourite two brands are Sporthill and Sugoi.

Same here. Where have you been getting your Sugoi gear? I've found some
decent prices at holabirdsports.com and revelsports.com. Their singlets
are particularly hard to come by, at least online.

There's no single source.

rei-outlet and sierratradingpost are always worth checking. Right now, both
have good windproof gear from either sugoi or sporthill.

The various online bike stores often have good prices on sugoi as well. But
they come and go.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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PB said:

Up here in Ottawa Ontario, winters are long and cold, summers brutally
humid.

Uh, "cold" I'll give you. You clearly need to spend a couple weeks
in New Orleans (or equivalent), because you don't have the faintest
clue about summer, I'm afraid. Or try running in say Barbados, where
the temps look innocent enough, but the sun X-rays you flat within
a half hour.

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I can only see maybe 5 months where it would be comfortable to run
outside at best. (March-June) (September-October)

So, what do people in this type of climate areas do ? Still run outdoors
in winter ? What kind of shoes and clothes ? In very humid weather,
isn't it dangerous ?

It's easy enough to layer for temps down to about -20 (that's 0F for
the US types.) A bit of grease (vaseline) on the face does wonders if
you don't care for the ski-mask sort of thing, which I don't. Below
that is still no great big deal, although one has to start paying
careful attention to proper dress of hands and privates.

Karl

In article <[email hidden]>,

PB said:

Up here in Ottawa Ontario, winters are long and cold, summers brutally
humid.

Uh, "cold" I'll give you. You clearly need to spend a couple weeks
in New Orleans (or equivalent), because you don't have the faintest
clue about summer, I'm afraid. Or try running in say Barbados, where
the temps look innocent enough, but the sun X-rays you flat within
a half hour.

Quoted message said:

I can only see maybe 5 months where it would be comfortable to run
outside at best. (March-June) (September-October)

So, what do people in this type of climate areas do ? Still run outdoors
in winter ? What kind of shoes and clothes ? In very humid weather,
isn't it dangerous ?

It's easy enough to layer for temps down to about -20 (that's 0F for
the US types.) A bit of grease (vaseline) on the face does wonders if
you don't care for the ski-mask sort of thing, which I don't. Below
that is still no great big deal, although one has to start paying
careful attention to proper dress of hands and privates.

Karl

Karl Schendel said:

although one has to start paying
careful attention to proper dress of hands and privates.

Yes, don't run with your [censored] hanging out if it's below -40 degrees.

PB said:

Up here in Ottawa Ontario, winters are long and cold, summers brutally
humid.

I can only see maybe 5 months where it would be comfortable to run
outside at best. (March-June) (September-October)

So, what do people in this type of climate areas do ? Still run outdoors
in winter ? What kind of shoes and clothes ? In very humid weather,
isn't it dangerous ?

Any advice would help. I have trouble going to gym more than 1 or 2
times a week. I play various sports in summer, leisurely, and bike and
sim a little, but can't do serious running without a treadmill at home.
(no money for electric motor one)

Here's a thread where some of your northern neighbors where it gets cold
answered a similar question:
http://tinyurl.com/7gvy2

Headgear: http://tinyurl.com/9qkgz

Shoes: whatever you wear rest of year. (Although if you're in snow and
it isn't melting, a weather-resistant upper might be nice. But if your
upper is weather resistant / waterproof and it's raining or you have
stream crossings or running in slush, it will hold the water and be
really nasty.)

Traction on ice: Probably screw shoes or maybe stabilicer sports
(haven't found anything definitive yet for me, but a lot of people use
screw shoes)
http://www.skyrunner.com/screwshoe.htm

More discussion on other devices: http://tinyurl.com/ayra9

If you want snowshoe advice, there's a couple links I can pull up for
that also 😉

When it first gets cold (different for different people), it may take a
couple weeks for your body to adapt to the temperatures - same as heat
training in reverse.

Once we get snow, our trails will be more crowded. They're emptiest in
summer (hot for us, bugs, people roaming all over the state), and start
picking up after the main hunting and fishing seasons are over. Winter's
a really nice time of year to run once you figure out the clothing and
how to keep fluids from freezing on long runs - no bugs, no bears, no
tourists.

Dot

--
"A winner is just a loser who tried one more time." -Captain George M.
Moore, Jr., United States Air Force (retired),
http://www.avdlm.com/press.php?page=stories&storyid=1

PB <[email hidden]> wrote in news:2JOdf.268$KP5.46641
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Quoted message said:

Up here in Ottawa Ontario, winters are long and cold, summers brutally
humid.

I can only see maybe 5 months where it would be comfortable to run
outside at best. (March-June) (September-October)

I don't know that Ottawa is gonna be a whole lot hotter or colder or more
humid than Detroit, and I run year-round round here. And, oddly, I actually
*like* running in the cold: Everything sounds and feels different down
around zero degrees; I'm amused by the layer of frost that appears on the
surface of my moisture-wicking attire; and I love the crunch-crunch-crunch
sound of running in a couple inches of fresh-fallen powder.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 01:32:23 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I don't know that Ottawa is gonna be a whole lot hotter or colder or more
humid than Detroit, and I run year-round round here. And, oddly, I actually
*like* running in the cold: Everything sounds and feels different down
around zero degrees; I'm amused by the layer of frost that appears on the
surface of my moisture-wicking attire; and I love the crunch-crunch-crunch
sound of running in a couple inches of fresh-fallen powder.

Don't listen to newsdud, he's a moron.

TheBillRodgers is back! <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 01:32:23 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I don't know that Ottawa is gonna be a whole lot hotter or colder or
more humid than Detroit, and I run year-round round here. And, oddly,
I actually *like* running in the cold: Everything sounds and feels
different down around zero degrees; I'm amused by the layer of frost
that appears on the surface of my moisture-wicking attire; and I love
the crunch-crunch-crunch sound of running in a couple inches of
fresh-fallen powder.

Don't listen to newsdud, he's a moron.

TBR (or 'MyNameisEarl' or 'IamAnASSHOLE' or 'MyPussyHurts' or whatever he
calls himself this week) would certainly be THE expert on morons around
here.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:00:56 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>

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TBR (or 'MyNameisEarl' or 'IamAnASSHOLE' or 'MyPussyHurts' or whatever he
calls himself this week) would certainly be THE expert on morons around
here.

Newsdud.

You'd be surprised at the conditions you can run under.
There have been very few days I consider unrunnable.
Perhap midday in the summer in humid areas.
If the snow is deeper than eight inches, its punnishing slog through
it.
But then I switch to snow shoes.
Once in a while slight storm will turn all surfaces to ice.
The most annoying to day are the final days of autumn or
first days of spring where there are heavy ice-cold rains or sleet.
That seems to penetrate any gear I try.

I also notice becoming semi-"immune" to the weather after warming up.
The cold or heat arent as bothersome after 15 minutes of running.
And there is a afterglow of several minnutes where this persists.

Also, temperatures change somewhat gradually over the weeks to
help adaptation. If you went some place sixty degrees warmer or colder
overnight, that could be uncomfortable.

TheBillRodgers is back! <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:00:56 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

TBR (or 'MyNameisEarl' or 'IamAnASSHOLE' or 'MyPussyHurts' or whatever
he calls himself this week) would certainly be THE expert on morons
around here.

Newsdud.

TBR: TheButtReamer...

On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:57:06 -0600, Newsdude <[email hidden]>

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Newsdud.

I say use this time of year to run on the tredmill and cross train.
When the weather gets better you can do a 12 week base building
program.
Then add on the speed for four weeks and KICK ASS. Thats what I would
do dude.

PB said:

Up here in Ottawa Ontario, winters are long and cold, summers brutally
humid.

I can only see maybe 5 months where it would be comfortable to run
outside at best. (March-June) (September-October)

So, what do people in this type of climate areas do ? Still run outdoors
in winter ? What kind of shoes and clothes ? In very humid weather,
isn't it dangerous ?

Any advice would help. I have trouble going to gym more than 1 or 2
times a week. I play various sports in summer, leisurely, and bike and
sim a little, but can't do serious running without a treadmill at home.
(no money for electric motor one)

I say use this time of year to run on the tredmill and cross train.
When the weather gets better you can do a 12 week base building
program.
Then add on the speed for four weeks and KICK ASS. Thats what I would
do dude.

PB said:

Up here in Ottawa Ontario, winters are long and cold, summers brutally
humid.

I can only see maybe 5 months where it would be comfortable to run
outside at best. (March-June) (September-October)

So, what do people in this type of climate areas do ? Still run outdoors
in winter ? What kind of shoes and clothes ? In very humid weather,
isn't it dangerous ?

Any advice would help. I have trouble going to gym more than 1 or 2
times a week. I play various sports in summer, leisurely, and bike and
sim a little, but can't do serious running without a treadmill at home.
(no money for electric motor one)

I say use this time of year to run on the tredmill and cross train.
When the weather gets better you can do a 12 week base building
program.
Then add on the speed for four weeks and KICK ASS. Thats what I would
do dude.

PB said:

Up here in Ottawa Ontario, winters are long and cold, summers brutally
humid.

I can only see maybe 5 months where it would be comfortable to run
outside at best. (March-June) (September-October)

So, what do people in this type of climate areas do ? Still run outdoors
in winter ? What kind of shoes and clothes ? In very humid weather,
isn't it dangerous ?

Any advice would help. I have trouble going to gym more than 1 or 2
times a week. I play various sports in summer, leisurely, and bike and
sim a little, but can't do serious running without a treadmill at home.
(no money for electric motor one)