Out To get Tyler

et tu, brutus?

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One American cyclist at the show, Bobby Julich, had other questions.

Julich

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had roomed with Hamilton in Athens and won the bronze medal in the time
trial. He said the suspicions about Hamilton "go against everything I've
ever known from the guy." But, he added: "The rest of us at the Olympics
passed the test. Why didn't he?"

Julich took a deep breath.

"I'm sick of people who cheat, sick of cleaning up their mess and trying

to

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explain it," he said.

Then, a pause.

"There is heavy evidence against him," he said. "With that much evidence,

I

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don't know how he's going to get out of it."

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Do these people know something US Tyler tifosi don't? Now challenging
Tyler's Gold medal are:

1. Ekimov
2. Russian Olympic Committee
3. Michael Rogers
4. Australian Olympic Committee

Damning with faint praise by his non-involvment in the CAS proceeding is
Bobby J. who stated to the NY Times:

One American cyclist at the show, Bobby Julich, had other questions.
Julich had roomed with Hamilton in Athens and won the bronze medal in the
time trial. He said the suspicions about Hamilton "go against everything
I've ever known from the guy." But, he added: "The rest of us at the
Olympics passed the test. Why didn't he?"

Julich took a deep breath.

"I'm sick of people who cheat, sick of cleaning up their mess and trying
to explain it," he said.

Then, a pause.

"There is heavy evidence against him," he said. "With that much evidence,
I don't know how he's going to get out of it."

Aren't the respective OC's challenging on behalf of Ekimov and Rogers? Or
are there four seperate challenges?

Isn't Julich helping to clean up the mess by not challenging for the silver?

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Do these people know something US Tyler tifosi don't? Now challenging
Tyler's Gold medal are:

1. Ekimov
2. Russian Olympic Committee
3. Michael Rogers
4. Australian Olympic Committee

Damning with faint praise by his non-involvment in the CAS proceeding is
Bobby J. who stated to the NY Times:

One American cyclist at the show, Bobby Julich, had other questions.
Julich had roomed with Hamilton in Athens and won the bronze medal in the
time trial. He said the suspicions about Hamilton "go against everything
I've ever known from the guy." But, he added: "The rest of us at the
Olympics passed the test. Why didn't he?"

Julich took a deep breath.

"I'm sick of people who cheat, sick of cleaning up their mess and trying
to explain it," he said.

Then, a pause.

"There is heavy evidence against him," he said. "With that much evidence,
I don't know how he's going to get out of it."

Aren't the respective OC's challenging on behalf of Ekimov and Rogers? Or
are there four seperate challenges?

Apparently the OCs can't or won't challenge without the approval of the
rider who will benifet if the appeal is successful.

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Isn't Julich helping to clean up the mess by not challenging for the
silver?

I think USAC/USADA political correctness dictate that he stay out of the
matter. His own commercial interests could also dictate that. Can he put in
for a medal upgrade on the USAC web site. ;-)

Hey douchebag Laffery,

Tyler's Olympic test was deemed NEGATIVE. Without a B sample, it's
NEGATIVE under the rules. How are those federations going to convince
the CAS to get around that RULE?

There is no legal case here.

Your little list there of 4 entities is a list of clueless jackasses
wasting their federations money on attorneys who have convinced them
they can win this case, but in reality are just milking them for legal fees.

As for Bobby J., what the [censored] does he know about the blood transfusion
test? Tyler's going to remember him when he comes crawling back....no
15% discount at Tugboat's Bike & Ride in Marblehead.

Magilla

B. Lafferty said:

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Do these people know something US Tyler tifosi don't? Now challenging
Tyler's Gold medal are:

1. Ekimov
2. Russian Olympic Committee
3. Michael Rogers
4. Australian Olympic Committee

Damning with faint praise by his non-involvment in the CAS proceeding is
Bobby J. who stated to the NY Times:

One American cyclist at the show, Bobby Julich, had other questions.
Julich had roomed with Hamilton in Athens and won the bronze medal in the
time trial. He said the suspicions about Hamilton "go against everything
I've ever known from the guy." But, he added: "The rest of us at the
Olympics passed the test. Why didn't he?"

Julich took a deep breath.

"I'm sick of people who cheat, sick of cleaning up their mess and trying
to explain it," he said.

Then, a pause.

"There is heavy evidence against him," he said. "With that much evidence,
I don't know how he's going to get out of it."

Aren't the respective OC's challenging on behalf of Ekimov and Rogers? Or
are there four seperate challenges?

Apparently the OCs can't or won't challenge without the approval of the
rider who will benifet if the appeal is successful.

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Isn't Julich helping to clean up the mess by not challenging for the
silver?

I think USAC/USADA political correctness dictate that he stay out of the
matter. His own commercial interests could also dictate that. Can he put in
for a medal upgrade on the USAC web site. ;-)

Magilla,

He also failed the Vuelta controls. And what about Perez, his teammate,
being busted too? I'm proud to be an American, but it looks really [censored]
bad for Tyler, like it or not.

-Philip
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Hey douchebag Laffery,

Tyler's Olympic test was deemed NEGATIVE. Without a B sample, it's
NEGATIVE under the rules. How are those federations going to convince
the CAS to get around that RULE?

There is no legal case here.

Your little list there of 4 entities is a list of clueless jackasses
wasting their federations money on attorneys who have convinced them
they can win this case, but in reality are just milking them for legal

fees.

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As for Bobby J., what the [censored] does he know about the blood transfusion
test? Tyler's going to remember him when he comes crawling back....no
15% discount at Tugboat's Bike & Ride in Marblehead.

Magilla

B. Lafferty said:

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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>Do these people know something US Tyler tifosi don't? Now challenging
>Tyler's Gold medal are:
>
>1. Ekimov
>2. Russian Olympic Committee
>3. Michael Rogers
>4. Australian Olympic Committee
>
>Damning with faint praise by his non-involvment in the CAS proceeding

is

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>Bobby J. who stated to the NY Times:
>
>One American cyclist at the show, Bobby Julich, had other questions.
>Julich had roomed with Hamilton in Athens and won the bronze medal in

the

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>time trial. He said the suspicions about Hamilton "go against

everything

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>I've ever known from the guy." But, he added: "The rest of us at the
>Olympics passed the test. Why didn't he?"
>
>Julich took a deep breath.
>
>"I'm sick of people who cheat, sick of cleaning up their mess and

trying

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>to explain it," he said.
>
>Then, a pause.
>
>"There is heavy evidence against him," he said. "With that much

evidence,

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>I don't know how he's going to get out of it."
>

Aren't the respective OC's challenging on behalf of Ekimov and Rogers?

Or

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are there four seperate challenges?

Apparently the OCs can't or won't challenge without the approval of the
rider who will benifet if the appeal is successful.

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Isn't Julich helping to clean up the mess by not challenging for the
silver?

I think USAC/USADA political correctness dictate that he stay out of the
matter. His own commercial interests could also dictate that. Can he

put in

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for a medal upgrade on the USAC web site. ;-)

MagillaGorilla said:

Hey douchebag Laffery,

Tyler's Olympic test was deemed NEGATIVE. Without a B sample,
it's
NEGATIVE under the rules

Dumbass -

OJ Simpson was/is innocent under the rules. And he wasn't even guilty
under the A sample.

K. Gringioni.

Philmore,

I'm not saying it looks good right now for Tyler (I was simply
responding to Lafferty's post in which he implies that the Russian and
Australian federations have a legitimate case - they don't and they WILL
lose).

We need to await the science to play out in his arbitration hearing.
Remember, Tyler did say it was "an incredible story." Let's see what it is.

Who knows why Tyler tested positive. I'm willing to let the science
answer that. All this stuff people say in here without knowing any of
the details is irrelevant.

Although it's really unfortunate to see an attorney (Lafferty) taking
part in the clique of accusations and innuendo.

Magilla

Philip W. Moore said:

Magilla,

He also failed the Vuelta controls. And what about Perez, his teammate,
being busted too? I'm proud to be an American, but it looks really [censored]
bad for Tyler, like it or not.

-Philip
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Hey douchebag Laffery,

Tyler's Olympic test was deemed NEGATIVE. Without a B sample, it's
NEGATIVE under the rules. How are those federations going to convince
the CAS to get around that RULE?

There is no legal case here.

Your little list there of 4 entities is a list of clueless jackasses
wasting their federations money on attorneys who have convinced them
they can win this case, but in reality are just milking them for legal

fees.

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As for Bobby J., what the [censored] does he know about the blood transfusion
test? Tyler's going to remember him when he comes crawling back....no
15% discount at Tugboat's Bike & Ride in Marblehead.

Magilla

B. Lafferty said:

"Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>news:[email hidden]...
>
>
>>Do these people know something US Tyler tifosi don't? Now challenging
>>Tyler's Gold medal are:
>>
>>1. Ekimov
>>2. Russian Olympic Committee
>>3. Michael Rogers
>>4. Australian Olympic Committee
>>
>>Damning with faint praise by his non-involvment in the CAS proceeding

is

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>>Bobby J. who stated to the NY Times:
>>
>>One American cyclist at the show, Bobby Julich, had other questions.
>>Julich had roomed with Hamilton in Athens and won the bronze medal in

the

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>>time trial. He said the suspicions about Hamilton "go against

everything

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>>I've ever known from the guy." But, he added: "The rest of us at the
>>Olympics passed the test. Why didn't he?"
>>
>>Julich took a deep breath.
>>
>>"I'm sick of people who cheat, sick of cleaning up their mess and

trying

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>>to explain it," he said.
>>
>>Then, a pause.
>>
>>"There is heavy evidence against him," he said. "With that much

evidence,

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>>I don't know how he's going to get out of it."
>>
>
>
>Aren't the respective OC's challenging on behalf of Ekimov and Rogers?

Or

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>are there four seperate challenges?

Apparently the OCs can't or won't challenge without the approval of the
rider who will benifet if the appeal is successful.

>Isn't Julich helping to clean up the mess by not challenging for the
>silver?

I think USAC/USADA political correctness dictate that he stay out of the
matter. His own commercial interests could also dictate that. Can he

put in

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for a medal upgrade on the USAC web site. ;-)

In article <[email hidden]>,

MagillaGorilla said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

MagillaGorilla said:

Hey douchebag Laffery,

Tyler's Olympic test was deemed NEGATIVE. Without a B sample,
it's
NEGATIVE under the rules

Dumbass -

OJ Simpson was/is innocent under the rules. And he wasn't even guilty
under the A sample.

K. Gringioni.

OJ Simpson's DNA did match that found at the crime scene and Ron
Goldman's blood as well as his wife's was found in his Bronco. The jury
was a bunch of [censored]. Well, actually, they were a largely minority
people who gave some payback to the DA for years of police brutality
under the Daryl Gates militant philosophy.

But mostly, the jury was a bunch of morons who barely graduated high school.

Please note: OJ was convicted in his civil trial with the same evidence.

That's true, but the standard in a civil trial is lower. I believe it's
only the "preponderance of the evidence" versus "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Garcetti should't have moved the case downtown - it should have stayed
where it was committed.

--
tanx,
Howard

"You ain't having fun until you're dialing 911"
Atomic 7

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

MagillaGorilla said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

MagillaGorilla wrote:

>Hey douchebag Laffery,
>
>Tyler's Olympic test was deemed NEGATIVE. Without a B sample,
>it's
>NEGATIVE under the rules

Dumbass -

OJ Simpson was/is innocent under the rules. And he wasn't even guilty
under the A sample.

K. Gringioni.

OJ Simpson's DNA did match that found at the crime scene and Ron
Goldman's blood as well as his wife's was found in his Bronco. The jury
was a bunch of [censored]. Well, actually, they were a largely minority
people who gave some payback to the DA for years of police brutality
under the Daryl Gates militant philosophy.

But mostly, the jury was a bunch of morons who barely graduated high school.

Please note: OJ was convicted in his civil trial with the same evidence.

That's true, but the standard in a civil trial is lower. I believe it's
only the "preponderance of the evidence" versus "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Garcetti should't have moved the case downtown - it should have stayed
where it was committed.

Guess what?

Jurors do not make any such ambigious distinctions between standards of
proof in criminal vs. civil trials - they decide whether someone is
guilty or innocent, period.

It's the legal system that has somehow convinced the publi that juries
make suuch ambiguous distinctions. But the reality is they don't. And
secondly, people's definiton of reasonable doubt vs. clearn and
convincing are vastly different.

So to tell jurors that and expect them to all come to the same
conclusion as to what that means is ridicolous.

Magilla

Gorilla wrote in part:

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OJ Simpson's DNA did match that found at the crime scene and Ron
Goldman's blood as well as his wife's was found in his Bronco. The jury
was a bunch of [censored]. Well, actually, they were a largely minority
people who gave some payback to the DA for years of police brutality
under the Daryl Gates militant philosophy.

Wrong--the jury had to acquit OJ on reasonable
doubt because Detective Van Adder was
crawling over the crime scene dropping OJs blood everywhere. Retarded police
detectives, not
jury.

Robert

R15757 said:

Gorilla wrote in part:

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OJ Simpson's DNA did match that found at the crime scene and Ron
Goldman's blood as well as his wife's was found in his Bronco. The jury
was a bunch of [censored]. Well, actually, they were a largely minority
people who gave some payback to the DA for years of police brutality
under the Daryl Gates militant philosophy.

Wrong--the jury had to acquit OJ on reasonable
doubt because Detective Van Adder was
crawling over the crime scene dropping OJs blood everywhere. Retarded police
detectives, not
jury.

Robert

van Adder never took OJ's blood to the crime scene, Mr. Misinformed.
The jury aquitted because they were a bunch of uneducated people with a
chip on their shoulder and star-struck by a Heiseman Trophy winner.

The civil jury had no problem convicting him of his wife's killing on
the same evidence.

Where did you hear "Det. van Adder dropped blood all over the crime scene?"

Goddamn you're stupid.

Magilla

Interesting that the bronze medalist isn't interested in getting
bumped-up to silver after making such a statement.

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Do these people know something US Tyler tifosi don't? Now challenging
Tyler's Gold medal are:

1. Ekimov
2. Russian Olympic Committee
3. Michael Rogers
4. Australian Olympic Committee

Damning with faint praise by his non-involvment in the CAS proceeding is
Bobby J. who stated to the NY Times:

One American cyclist at the show, Bobby Julich, had other questions. Julich
had roomed with Hamilton in Athens and won the bronze medal in the time
trial. He said the suspicions about Hamilton "go against everything I've
ever known from the guy." But, he added: "The rest of us at the Olympics
passed the test. Why didn't he?"

Julich took a deep breath.

"I'm sick of people who cheat, sick of cleaning up their mess and trying to
explain it," he said.

Then, a pause.

"There is heavy evidence against him," he said. "With that much evidence, I
don't know how he's going to get out of it."

kaiser said:

Interesting that the bronze medalist isn't interested in getting
bumped-up to silver after making such a statement.

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Do these people know something US Tyler tifosi don't? Now challenging
Tyler's Gold medal are:

1. Ekimov
2. Russian Olympic Committee
3. Michael Rogers
4. Australian Olympic Committee

Damning with faint praise by his non-involvment in the CAS proceeding is
Bobby J. who stated to the NY Times:

One American cyclist at the show, Bobby Julich, had other questions. Julich
had roomed with Hamilton in Athens and won the bronze medal in the time
trial. He said the suspicions about Hamilton "go against everything I've
ever known from the guy." But, he added: "The rest of us at the Olympics
passed the test. Why didn't he?"

Julich took a deep breath.

"I'm sick of people who cheat, sick of cleaning up their mess and trying to
explain it," he said.

Then, a pause.

"There is heavy evidence against him," he said. "With that much evidence, I
don't know how he's going to get out of it."

Not that much difference between a bronze and a silver.
And given it would come at the expense of the friend, Bobby probably doesn't have any appetite in joining the chorus.

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Do these people know something US Tyler tifosi don't? Now challenging
Tyler's Gold medal are:

1. Ekimov
2. Russian Olympic Committee
3. Michael Rogers
4. Australian Olympic Committee

Damning with faint praise by his non-involvment in the CAS proceeding is
Bobby J. who stated to the NY Times:

One American cyclist at the show, Bobby Julich, had other questions.
Julich had roomed with Hamilton in Athens and won the bronze medal in the
time trial. He said the suspicions about Hamilton "go against everything
I've ever known from the guy." But, he added: "The rest of us at the
Olympics passed the test. Why didn't he?"

Julich took a deep breath.

"I'm sick of people who cheat, sick of cleaning up their mess and trying
to explain it," he said.

Then, a pause.

"There is heavy evidence against him," he said. "With that much evidence,
I don't know how he's going to get out of it."

Aren't the respective OC's challenging on behalf of Ekimov and Rogers? Or
are there four seperate challenges?

Isn't Julich helping to clean up the mess by not challenging for the silver?

Yes. Russia on behalf of Eki and Australia on behalf of Rogers, the Australians joined in the Russian suit so it is just one suit.

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Where did you hear "Det. van Adder dropped blood all over the crime scene?"

Sorry that should read Vannatter dropped blood
all over the crime scene. And in the Bronco.
And on a sock.