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  1. Hi friends at u.r.c,

    Just to explain why I've been quiet for the last few days and why I might
    not be posting much or at all on the group any more... well, for a while
    at least.......

    I had a road bike crash at 8pm on Monday and broke my hip. Annoying thing
    is, it was just a silly little incident that I wouldn't have thought would
    normally cause very much bother, but I was unlucky in how I fell or with
    the condition of my bones (for my age, which is about half that of those
    who have hip problems normally).

    I'm vague on what happened precisely, but I was front-braking or turning
    for a right turn into a side road from about 15 mph when the front wheel
    suddenly skidded and slipped, causing the bike and me to fall over to the
    right. My right hip and elbow absorbed the impact, preventing damage to
    the rest of me and the bike. Nothing else hit the road or me. Elbow is
    just grazed. Wheel might have skidded after I had already slowed to less
    than 10 mph but it's difficult to remember when a crash happens to quickly
    and the consequences become so much more important than the exact cause.

    Not sure if I started to turn before/while/after braking but the slip was
    totally unexpected as I think I've got away with that sort of thing and
    worse before many times. The tarmac may have been greasy, though there
    was no obvious sign of oil (nor gravel). The roads were dry and ice was
    not a possibilty that mild evening. It was a shaper turn than usual (and
    planned) as I was giving an exiting van extra room. Perhaps that was it
    except I still would have expected more grip. The road surface certainly
    could have been better.

    Anyway, the good news is that I'm recovered enough to be back at home
    typing this message already (Friday 5pm)! The badly broken hip was pinned
    the next morning. 24 hours later I was walking with a frame, with little
    pain; same with crutches after 24 more hours.

    There is a chance that the blood supply to the head (ball) of the joint
    won't be sufficient, meaning it would die and I would need a hip
    replacement (requiring further replacements in future as they don't last
    forever), but it's not a big chance as far as I know so far.

    Still, it's going to be a long time before I can cycle again, if I want
    want to. My enthusiam for all things cycling is naturally dented after
    this realisation of just how vulnerable I am on a bike.

    Cycling advice for you? The main stuff is basic so I'll be brief on each
    point:

    * Don't turn too sharply, don't lean too far.
    * Don't use the front brake alone unless you are sure within reason that
    the surface is good. (This is the trouble: you can never be sure). See
    www.sheldonbrown.com.
    * Don't brake and turn at the same time when you don't have to unless you
    are highly skilled and are prepared to take some extra risk. (See
    rec.bicycles.tech FAQ).
    * Don't brake much harder than you need to just because you can or just
    because it's fun, when approaching a turn, at least. (You might start to
    turn before braking without realising).
    * Don't overinflate tyres, especially the front. That doesn't necessarily
    have anything to do with what recommended pressure is written on them; see
    www.sheldonbrown.com).
    * Do choose Barnet Hospital when Paramedics give you a choice including
    it! Ok so this one may not be obvious :-) The treatment was excellent
    (once past the waiting stage in A & E) and the staff are incredibly nice.

    The less obvious point is on clipless pedals, and it's one I've made
    before. I'm quite sure they have made me fall more awkwardly on a number
    of occasions including this. Yes they may release (as you or bike
    naturally twists) but that might happen too late if you subconciously try
    to put a foot down or move your body to minimise injury.

    I'm not sure I will ever use clipless pedals again despite them being one
    of the very best cycling innovations for decades. They're great... until
    you NEED to fall off, instantly. "Ordinary" pedals and pedals with
    *loose* toe-straps are safer on balance, in my opinion, despite being less
    secure when pedalling. (BTW, loose straps are better than nothing: they
    still provide /some/ security and /some/ pulling-up).

    Take care!

    ~Pete

  2. "Pete Biggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    <ouch>

    Have a big get well thought.

    Take heart from "Not Responding" - I'm sure you'll mend. And of course it's
    a perfect excuse for a trike!

    cheers,
    clive

  3. Get well soon!

    Glad to hear something positive about Barnet Hospital.

    Hip fractures seem to have happened to quite a few male cyclists I know.

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

  4. Pete Biggs said:

    I had a road bike crash at 8pm on Monday and broke my hip.

    Oh no, Pete that's terrible news, very sorry to hear that. Get well
    soon, chin up fella, all that sort of thing.

    Quoted message said:

    Still, it's going to be a long time before I can cycle again, if I want
    want to. My enthusiam for all things cycling is naturally dented after
    this realisation of just how vulnerable I am on a bike.

    Perfectly understandable under the circumstances. I hope though that
    as you recover Pete you'll remember again all the joy cycling has
    brought you, and pull on the shorts again 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not sure I will ever use clipless pedals again despite them being one
    of the very best cycling innovations for decades. They're great... until
    you NEED to fall off, instantly. "Ordinary" pedals and pedals with
    *loose* toe-straps are safer on balance, in my opinion, despite being less
    secure when pedalling. (BTW, loose straps are better than nothing: they
    still provide /some/ security and /some/ pulling-up).

    I'm not sure that not being clipped in would have made a lot of
    difference? Again, it's understandable why you'd be feeling pretty
    negative about this whole business, but was there really time to get a
    leg out? Sounds like you went down in an instant and that's generally
    my experience when my bike has gone from under me. One moment cycling
    along perfectly happily, the next moment *WALLOP*, it's all tarmac
    and chin.

    Of course, you (and perhaps your Doc) will know better than me, I
    wasn't there, but I think you've just been miserably unlucky. You
    could probably go down that way a hundred other times and not break
    anything (except maybe into a fit of swearing).

    We all take tumbles, on our bikes, playing other sports, at work, at
    home, I don't think it's cycling that's done this Pete, just life.
    You'll bounce back as strong as before.

    Best wishes for speedy recovery, let us know how you doin' pal.

    --

    Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

  5. Pete this is an awful thing to have happened and I wish you well. Right now
    I can imagine how you must feel toward cycling but I would say this. One
    keep your bike clean and shiny, Two look at it occasionally, then who knows
    one fine day come spring you may just feel the urge to go for a pootle.

    Take care

  6. Helen Deborah Vecht said:

    Get well soon!

    Quoted message said:

    Glad to hear something positive about Barnet Hospital.

    Quoted message said:

    Hip fractures seem to have happened to quite a few male cyclists I know.

    And, FWIIW, I had a very similar fall at very low speed on an icy patch a
    couple of years ago, and even withouth clipless pedals (normal platform) I
    landed solidly on my hip. Just a big bruise in my case.

    Hope everything mends soon!

    Roos

  7. "Pete Biggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    <snip tale of accident>

    Wow. Sorry to hear of your accident Pete and hope you get well soon. A
    salutary lesson for us all to take care.

    It sometimes does happen that trivial accidents have bigger consequences
    than we would normally expect. I remember after my last motorcycle accident
    going to the recovery place - I had to wait a while 'till the guy came back
    having recovered another m'cycle where the rider had had to brake sharply,
    locked the rear, fell off to to the side into the next lane and a passing
    coach ran over his head. This was just an otherwise fairly mundane low
    speed, in-town accident of kind that you might otherwise expect to get up
    and walk away from, but of course that rider didn't. It did make me think,
    and having just had another accident myself worse than my usual ones, I
    never did get back on a motorcycle after that.

    Still, that was what made me get into cycling - couldn't keep me off two
    wheels for ever 🙂 and I'm glad I did. I can understand how you feel at
    the moment, but I hope it won't discourage you from coming back to it when
    you're fit.

    Best wishes

    Rich

  8. Pete Biggs said:

    I had a road bike crash at 8pm on Monday and broke my hip.

    Purely out of trollish interest, were you wearing a helmet?

    I wish you a speedy recovery.

  9. "Pete Biggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi friends at u.r.c,

    Just to explain why I've been quiet for the last few days and why I might
    not be posting much or at all on the group any more... well, for a while
    at least.......

    Sorry to hear you bad news and I hope you make a speedy recovery. It's
    obvious from your posts that you love your cycling but are very down a the
    moment. I hope you get back on your bike and thanks for your help on the
    technical queries that get posted, it would be a shame not to see your name
    in the posts.

    Ken Clements

  10. Response to Pete Biggs:

    Quoted message said:

    I had a road bike crash at 8pm on Monday

    Ow. Owowowowowow. Very sorry to hear it. Get well soon - and do please
    stick around!

    --
    Mark, UK.
    We hope to hear him swear, we love to hear him squeak,
    We like to see him biting fingers in his horny beak.

  11. Quoted message said:

    "Pete Biggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi friends at u.r.c,

    Just to explain why I've been quiet for the last few days and why I


    might

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    not be posting much or at all on the group any more... well, for a while
    at least.......


    Sorry to hear about your accident Pete and wish you well for a speedy
    recovery, and that you manage to get back on the bike soon.

    Take care

    Paul

  12. Pete Biggs said:

    Hi friends at u.r.c,

    Just to explain why I've been quiet for the last few days and why I might
    not be posting much or at all on the group any more... well, for a while
    at least.......

    Best wishes for a speedy recovery and for whichever way you finally
    decide to go with your life.

    Keep well

    Tony

  13. Pete Biggs said:

    Just to explain why I've been quiet for the last few days and why I might
    not be posting much or at all on the group any more... well, for a while
    at least.......

    I had a road bike crash at 8pm on Monday and broke my hip. Annoying thing
    is, it was just a silly little incident...

    Awful. I hope you mend asap.
    With all best wishes,

    John B

  14. Roos Eisma <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    Helen Deborah Vecht <[email hidden]> writes:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Get well soon!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Glad to hear something positive about Barnet Hospital.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hip fractures seem to have happened to quite a few male cyclists I know.

    Quoted message said:

    And, FWIIW, I had a very similar fall at very low speed on an icy patch a
    couple of years ago, and even withouth clipless pedals (normal platform) I
    landed solidly on my hip. Just a big bruise in my case.

    Quoted message said:

    Hope everything mends soon!

    Quoted message said:

    Roos

    Actually, I've also landed heavily on a hip; hit an oblique ridge on a
    tarmac farm track badly (midsummer, hot day, no ice or water). Resulting
    bruising etc took three weeks to subside but nothing broke.

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

  15. Gonzalez said:


    Pete Biggs said:

    I had a road bike crash at 8pm on Monday and broke my hip.

    Purely out of trollish interest, were you wearing a helmet?

    Silly boy.
    Who wears a helmet on their hip.

    John B

  16. JohnB said:
    Gonzalez said:


    Pete Biggs said:

    I had a road bike crash at 8pm on Monday and broke my hip.

    Purely out of trollish interest, were you wearing a helmet?

    Silly boy.
    Who wears a helmet on their hip.

    Silly boy.
    We all know that *head* helmets can reduce the risk of injury.

    Had he been wearing a helmet the head may have made contact with the
    ground first, thereby relieving the fall pressure on the hip and thus
    avoiding a broken hip.

  17. Pete Biggs said:

    Take care!

    Get well soon, Pete.

  18. Pete Biggs said:

    Hi friends at u.r.c,

    Just to explain why I've been quiet for the last few days and why I might
    not be posting much or at all on the group any more... well, for a while
    at least.......

    I had a road bike crash at 8pm on Monday and broke my hip. Annoying thing
    is, it was just a silly little incident that I wouldn't have thought would
    normally cause very much bother, but I was unlucky in how I fell or with
    the condition of my bones (for my age, which is about half that of those
    who have hip problems normally).

    I'm vague on what happened precisely, but I was front-braking or turning
    for a right turn into a side road from about 15 mph when the front wheel
    suddenly skidded and slipped, causing the bike and me to fall over to the
    right. My right hip and elbow absorbed the impact, preventing damage to
    the rest of me and the bike. Nothing else hit the road or me. Elbow is
    just grazed. Wheel might have skidded after I had already slowed to less
    than 10 mph but it's difficult to remember when a crash happens to quickly
    and the consequences become so much more important than the exact cause.

    Not sure if I started to turn before/while/after braking but the slip was
    totally unexpected as I think I've got away with that sort of thing and
    worse before many times. The tarmac may have been greasy, though there
    was no obvious sign of oil (nor gravel). The roads were dry and ice was
    not a possibilty that mild evening. It was a shaper turn than usual (and
    planned) as I was giving an exiting van extra room. Perhaps that was it
    except I still would have expected more grip. The road surface certainly
    could have been better.

    Anyway, the good news is that I'm recovered enough to be back at home
    typing this message already (Friday 5pm)! The badly broken hip was pinned
    the next morning. 24 hours later I was walking with a frame, with little
    pain; same with crutches after 24 more hours.

    There is a chance that the blood supply to the head (ball) of the joint
    won't be sufficient, meaning it would die and I would need a hip
    replacement (requiring further replacements in future as they don't last
    forever), but it's not a big chance as far as I know so far.

    Still, it's going to be a long time before I can cycle again, if I want
    want to. My enthusiam for all things cycling is naturally dented after
    this realisation of just how vulnerable I am on a bike.

    Cycling advice for you? The main stuff is basic so I'll be brief on each
    point:

    * Don't turn too sharply, don't lean too far.
    * Don't use the front brake alone unless you are sure within reason that
    the surface is good. (This is the trouble: you can never be sure). See
    www.sheldonbrown.com.
    * Don't brake and turn at the same time when you don't have to unless you
    are highly skilled and are prepared to take some extra risk. (See
    rec.bicycles.tech FAQ).
    * Don't brake much harder than you need to just because you can or just
    because it's fun, when approaching a turn, at least. (You might start to
    turn before braking without realising).
    * Don't overinflate tyres, especially the front. That doesn't necessarily
    have anything to do with what recommended pressure is written on them; see
    www.sheldonbrown.com).
    * Do choose Barnet Hospital when Paramedics give you a choice including
    it! Ok so this one may not be obvious :-) The treatment was excellent
    (once past the waiting stage in A & E) and the staff are incredibly nice.

    The less obvious point is on clipless pedals, and it's one I've made
    before. I'm quite sure they have made me fall more awkwardly on a number
    of occasions including this. Yes they may release (as you or bike
    naturally twists) but that might happen too late if you subconciously try
    to put a foot down or move your body to minimise injury.

    I'm not sure I will ever use clipless pedals again despite them being one
    of the very best cycling innovations for decades. They're great... until
    you NEED to fall off, instantly. "Ordinary" pedals and pedals with
    *loose* toe-straps are safer on balance, in my opinion, despite being less
    secure when pedalling. (BTW, loose straps are better than nothing: they
    still provide /some/ security and /some/ pulling-up).

    Take care!

    ~Pete


    [censored] Pete, that IS [censored]. Hope you mend properly and quickly. Keep
    smiling dude.

  19. Gonzalez said:

    Had he been wearing a helmet the head may have made contact with the
    ground first, thereby relieving the fall pressure on the hip and thus
    avoiding a broken hip.

    What?

  20. In article said:

    Hi friends at u.r.c,

    Just to explain why I've been quiet for the last few days and why I might
    not be posting much or at all on the group any more... well, for a while
    at least.......

    I had a road bike crash at 8pm on Monday and broke my hip.

    Ouch. Get well soon.

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