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  1. Most of you will probably have heard the news about the No 10
    anti-congestion charging petition reaching 1 million signatures:
    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6353353.stm>

    What hasn't been so well publicised, and is worth knowing, is that there
    is also a petition for those who like the idea of car tracking and road
    pricing:
    <http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TRACK-CARS/>

    --
    Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
    Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  2. Danny Colyer said:

    Most of you will probably have heard the news about the No 10
    anti-congestion charging petition reaching 1 million signatures:
    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6353353.stm>

    What hasn't been so well publicised, and is worth knowing, is that there
    is also a petition for those who like the idea of car tracking and road
    pricing:
    <http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TRACK-CARS/>

    There were 443 signatures when I clicked that link. After I signed
    and confirmed and refreshed a few times there were still 443
    signatures!
    Hopefully it's just taking time to update....

    peter

  3. naked_draughtsman said:
    Danny Colyer said:

    Most of you will probably have heard the news about the No 10
    anti-congestion charging petition reaching 1 million signatures:
    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6353353.stm>

    What hasn't been so well publicised, and is worth knowing, is that there
    is also a petition for those who like the idea of car tracking and road
    pricing:
    <http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TRACK-CARS/>

    There were 443 signatures when I clicked that link. After I signed
    and confirmed and refreshed a few times there were still 443
    signatures!

    Do you support the surveillance/civil liberties implications of the
    proposed measures?

    Do you also support the idea of compulsory biometric ID cards?

    --
    Matt B

  4. Danny Colyer said:

    Most of you will probably have heard the news about the No 10
    anti-congestion charging petition reaching 1 million signatures:
    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6353353.stm>

    What hasn't been so well publicised, and is worth knowing, is that there
    is also a petition for those who like the idea of car tracking and road
    pricing:
    <http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TRACK-CARS/>

    Yeah, presumably link this in with the sex offender register and you can
    go out and bash a few paedos in too? Who knows, maybe it could actually
    be used by the paedos to find out where kids are... you see, the
    technology is evil I tells ye... Muwahahaha..

    Well, if you like people spying on you and invading your privacy when
    you're doing nothing wrong, maybe I could come round and install that
    microphone and camera in your bathroom? No? Is that a bit much?

    I like some of the signatories:

    You Are Such an Idiot to Propose This
    PISORF U TWITE No train OR bus for 15miles from here.
    YET ANOTHER WOOLLY KNITTING LEFTIE SPOUTING [censored] YET AGAIN!
    Your having a laugh, why not go walk yourself off your local pier
    You Walk Then

    So make that 438

    Cya
    Simon

  5. Simon Dean said:

    Yeah, presumably link this in with the sex offender register and you can
    go out and bash a few paedos in too? Who knows, maybe it could actually
    be used by the paedos to find out where kids are... you see, the
    technology is evil I tells ye... Muwahahaha..


    Go and bother some other people, please. We're not interested in you.

    A

  6. Ambrose Nankivell said:
    Simon Dean said:

    Yeah, presumably link this in with the sex offender register and you
    can go out and bash a few paedos in too? Who knows, maybe it could
    actually be used by the paedos to find out where kids are... you see,
    the technology is evil I tells ye... Muwahahaha..


    Go and bother some other people, please. We're not interested in you.

    A

    Good. Im not interested in you either!

    For mild mannered placid cyclists, you guys sure are antagonistic.

    I respond to a bunch of [censored] in a public forum about drivers and you
    have to moan? Should I invoke Godwin's Law?

    However Im not a troll, just a passionate driver, hopefully soon to be
    buying a bike, but as a liberal, I also have a passion for fairness and
    equality which is why I get angry at the amount of bull that's posted here.

    Maybe you can't handle that... Ok... Come on...

    <whip the driver here>

    </whip the driver here>

    Cya
    Simon

  7. naked_draughtsman said:

    There were 443 signatures when I clicked that link. After I signed
    and confirmed and refreshed a few times there were still 443
    signatures!
    Hopefully it's just taking time to update....

    peter

    A little under an hour later it's up to 502, including Guy, a Peter who
    signed it shortly after me, and me. And the few idiots gloatingly
    pointed out by Troll Dean.

    --
    Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
    Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  8. naked_draughtsman said:

    There were 443 signatures when I clicked that link. After I signed
    and confirmed and refreshed a few times there were still 443
    signatures!
    Hopefully it's just taking time to update....

    The petition is calling for road charging to be used as a way to curb
    car numbers on the roads and if everyone believes that pay as you go
    motoring will be used to track their every move then uncle Tony's
    grand plan is going to achieve this! I'm sure that MI5 could track
    people's car usage today if they wanted to, but they're not going to
    tell everyone (maybe that's the reason for speed cameras popping up
    everywhere) <g>

    As someone who walks or cycles virtually everywhere (even when living
    somewhere with little public transport) I would love to see less cars
    on the roads.

    As for all the joke signatures - there were lots of them on the 'scrap
    the road charging' petition as well.

    peter

  9. naked_draughtsman said:
    naked_draughtsman said:

    There were 443 signatures when I clicked that link. After I signed
    and confirmed and refreshed a few times there were still 443
    signatures!
    Hopefully it's just taking time to update....

    The petition is calling for road charging to be used as a way to curb
    car numbers on the roads and if everyone believes that pay as you go
    motoring will be used to track their every move then uncle Tony's
    grand plan is going to achieve this!

    How?

    Maybe it will force car use underground, and instead of everybody
    working in city centres, they will be distributed a lot more over the
    countryside... the perception will be that there are less cars...

    Cya
    Simon

  10. Danny Colyer said:
    naked_draughtsman said:

    There were 443 signatures when I clicked that link. After I signed
    and confirmed and refreshed a few times there were still 443
    signatures!
    Hopefully it's just taking time to update....

    peter

    A little under an hour later it's up to 502, including Guy, a Peter who
    signed it shortly after me, and me. And the few idiots gloatingly
    pointed out by Troll Dean.

    See you still havent got your facts straight.

    And how do you infer "gloating" from that post? Merely pointing out a
    few idiots... people who obviously don't agree with the petition. Or
    don't you like people having a different point of view?

    I see you don't brand the original poster as "here's one back at the
    cars" as a gloating pratt?

    Cya
    Simon

  11. "naked_draughtsman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    naked_draughtsman said:

    There were 443 signatures when I clicked that link. After I signed
    and confirmed and refreshed a few times there were still 443
    signatures!
    Hopefully it's just taking time to update....

    The petition is calling for road charging to be used as a way to curb
    car numbers on the roads and if everyone believes that pay as you go
    motoring will be used to track their every move then uncle Tony's
    grand plan is going to achieve this! I'm sure that MI5 could track
    people's car usage today if they wanted to, but they're not going to
    tell everyone (maybe that's the reason for speed cameras popping up
    everywhere) <g>

    We already have pay as you go motoring - fuel duty. If motoring is to be
    made more expensive (I think that's inevitable), then why on earth not
    collect the extra dosh through a system that's already in place and working
    well rather than relying on a massive new infrastructure?

    Quoted message said:

    As someone who walks or cycles virtually everywhere (even when living
    somewhere with little public transport) I would love to see less cars
    on the roads.

    As someone who drives a fair bit, but is hoping to get back into doing some
    decent miles on the bike soon, I would appreciate less cars on the road too.
    Having said that I would prefer to see the reduction in the number of
    drivers based on competence rather than wallet size.

    --

    Nigel

  12. Nigel Randell said:


    As someone who drives a fair bit, but is hoping to get back into doing some
    decent miles on the bike soon, I would appreciate less cars on the road too.
    Having said that I would prefer to see the reduction in the number of
    drivers based on competence rather than wallet size.

    A beautiful statement.

  13. I said:
    Quoted message said:

    A little under an hour later it's up to 502, including Guy, a Peter who
    signed it shortly after me, and me. And the few idiots gloatingly
    pointed out by Troll Dean.

    and Simon Dean responded:

    Quoted message said:

    See you still havent got your facts straight.

    Which of the above was not a straight fact?

    Quoted message said:

    And how do you infer "gloating" from that post? Merely pointing out a
    few idiots... people who obviously don't agree with the petition. Or
    don't you like people having a different point of view?

    The post had a definite gloating tone.

    Quoted message said:

    I see you don't brand the original poster as "here's one back at the
    cars" as a gloating pratt?

    Do what?

    --
    Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
    Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  14. Danny Colyer said:
    I said:
    Quoted message said:

    A little under an hour later it's up to 502, including Guy, a Peter
    who signed it shortly after me, and me. And the few idiots
    gloatingly pointed out by Troll Dean.

    and Simon Dean responded:

    Quoted message said:

    See you still havent got your facts straight.

    Which of the above was not a straight fact?

    Gloatingly... Troll...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    And how do you infer "gloating" from that post? Merely pointing out a
    few idiots... people who obviously don't agree with the petition. Or
    don't you like people having a different point of view?

    The post had a definite gloating tone.

    How can the written word have an inference? Im sorry you saw it as
    gloating. Im feeling a bit frisky tonight, but not in that way and
    possibly came off a bit more brusque as required. I stand by my opinion
    though that I hate the thought of people spying on you when you havent
    done anything wrong.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I see you don't brand the original poster as "here's one back at the
    cars" as a gloating pratt?

    Do what?

    substitute the first "as" for "saying"...

  15. naked_draughtsman said:


    As someone who walks or cycles virtually everywhere (even when living
    somewhere with little public transport) I would love to see less cars
    on the roads.

    Would you be able to stomach the inevitable massive tax rises that
    killing the golden goose would cause?

    --
    Matt B

  16. Simon Dean said:

    How can the written word have an inference? Im sorry you saw it as
    gloating. Im feeling a bit frisky tonight, but not in that way and
    possibly came off a bit more brusque as required.

    I apologise if I misunderstood you.

    Quoted message said:

    I stand by my opinion
    though that I hate the thought of people spying on you when you havent
    done anything wrong.

    I detest the idea of spying on the individual. OTOH I am strongly of
    the opinion that when dangerous, heavy machinery is used in a public
    place it makes a great deal of sense to keep track of when and where it
    is used. I like the idea of keeping track of motor vehicles.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I see you don't brand the original poster as "here's one back at the
    cars" as a gloating pratt?

    Do what?

    substitute the first "as" for "saying"...

    Firstly, I *am* the OP. Secondly, I wrote nothing along the lines of
    "here's one back at the cars". Thirdly, if you're thinking of someone
    else, I haven't seen anyone else writing anything along those lines in
    this thread either.

    --
    Danny Colyer <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
    Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  17. "Matt B" <"matt.bourke"@nospam.london.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    naked_draughtsman said:
    Danny Colyer said:

    Most of you will probably have heard the news about the No 10
    anti-congestion charging petition reaching 1 million signatures:
    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6353353.stm>

    What hasn't been so well publicised, and is worth knowing, is that


    there

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is also a petition for those who like the idea of car tracking and road
    pricing:
    <http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TRACK-CARS/>

    There were 443 signatures when I clicked that link. After I signed
    and confirmed and refreshed a few times there were still 443
    signatures!

    Do you support the surveillance/civil liberties implications of the
    proposed measures?

    Do you also support the idea of compulsory biometric ID cards?

    --
    Matt B

    Do you fake your orgasms?

  18. Danny Colyer said:
    Simon Dean said:

    How can the written word have an inference? Im sorry you saw it as
    gloating. Im feeling a bit frisky tonight, but not in that way and
    possibly came off a bit more brusque as required.

    I apologise if I misunderstood you.

    Quoted message said:

    I stand by my opinion though that I hate the thought of people spying
    on you when you havent done anything wrong.

    I detest the idea of spying on the individual. OTOH I am strongly of
    the opinion that when dangerous, heavy machinery is used in a public
    place it makes a great deal of sense to keep track of when and where it
    is used. I like the idea of keeping track of motor vehicles.

    I'll agree to differ then.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I see you don't brand the original poster as "here's one back at the
    > cars" as a gloating pratt?

    Do what?

    substitute the first "as" for "saying"...

    Firstly, I *am* the OP. Secondly, I wrote nothing along the lines of
    "here's one back at the cars". Thirdly, if you're thinking of someone
    else, I haven't seen anyone else writing anything along those lines in
    this thread either.

    Sorry... mind fart... substitute original poster for petition writer...

    or the guy who wrote about there being 433 replies...

    Not that I actually saw that as gloating, just curious you said I was
    gloating when I pointed out there were a few less.

  19. Danny Colyer said:

    Most of you will probably have heard the news about the No 10
    anti-congestion charging petition reaching 1 million signatures:
    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6353353.stm>

    I won't be signing up to that one, if only because it's a good starting
    point for Gordon's Brownshirts to use as a list for first up against the
    wall ;-) Resistance is useless!

    Quoted message said:

    What hasn't been so well publicised, and is worth knowing, is that there
    is also a petition for those who like the idea of car tracking and road
    pricing:
    <http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TRACK-CARS/>

    This one will also remain unsigned as, despite the worthiness of the
    petition creator's sentiments, the general routine tracking of
    individuals under any circumstances would be both technically impossible
    (well, incredibly difficult and hugely expensive anyway) and a huge
    intrusive injustice against our personal civil liberties. Why anyone
    would want to volunteer to be tracked by the state is frankly beyond me.

    Now, a petition to ration car miles, there's a thought...

    War is Peace,

    Tony B

  20. Just Visiting said:

    "Matt B" <"matt.bourke"@nospam.london.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    naked_draughtsman said:

    On Feb 12, 8:52 pm, Danny Colyer <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > Most of you will probably have heard the news about the No 10
    > anti-congestion charging petition reaching 1 million signatures:
    > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6353353.stm>
    >
    > What hasn't been so well publicised, and is worth knowing, is that


    there

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > is also a petition for those who like the idea of car tracking and road
    > pricing:
    > <http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TRACK-CARS/>

    There were 443 signatures when I clicked that link. After I signed
    and confirmed and refreshed a few times there were still 443
    signatures!

    Do you support the surveillance/civil liberties implications of the
    proposed measures?

    Do you also support the idea of compulsory biometric ID cards?

    --
    Matt B

    Do you fake your orgasms?

    Matt's question is valid, would we accept personalised tracking devices
    for every individual
    in the U.K. including cyclists, linked to a central net so local and
    national government
    can see where you are/have been at any given time?
    --
    Three wheels good, two wheels ok

    www.catrike.co.uk

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