OT: Wikipedia is a wonderful thing.....

PeterLucas said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

He got his pic taken with two criminals*, for actions serving under
two other criminals**.

That doesn't lessen his valor, but needed to be said anyway.

* Reagan and Weinberg (Iran Contra)
* LBJ and McNamara (war crimes in Viet Nam)

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Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

--Bryan

PeterLucas said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

I'm thinking of making the following my .sig

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--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

"I'm sure that the vice president may have expressed an opinion ...
and he may have recused himself; I honestly don't know."
--Tony Snow

Quoted message said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

yeah, I saw pictures of people sleeping safely in their beds in Iraq ...
oh wait they were DEAD

never mind

tert in seattle <[email hidden]> wrote in news:f6kk0b$ovb$2
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Quoted message said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

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yeah, I saw pictures of people sleeping safely in their beds in Iraq ...
oh wait they were DEAD

never mind

ROFLMAO!!!

But leftie sentiments aside, did you happen to actually *read* what the
dude did?

After *one* action he had ***37*** bullet, bayonet and shrapnel wounds.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

Bobo Bonobo® <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1183693839.275148.15040
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PeterLucas said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

He got his pic taken with two criminals*, for actions serving under
two other criminals**.

That doesn't lessen his valor, but needed to be said anyway.

* Reagan and Weinberg (Iran Contra)
* LBJ and McNamara (war crimes in Viet Nam)

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I didn't know LBJ served in Vietnam.

What did he do?

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

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tert in seattle <[email hidden]> wrote in news:f6kk0b$ovb$2
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Quoted message said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

Quoted message said:

yeah, I saw pictures of people sleeping safely in their beds in Iraq ...
oh wait they were DEAD

never mind

ROFLMAO!!!

But leftie sentiments aside, did you happen to actually *read* what the
dude did?

no, SIR!

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After *one* action he had ***37*** bullet, bayonet and shrapnel wounds.

glorious

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My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

Peter, Having grown up in the Southeastern U.S., this guy would be
respectfully known as a "Billy Bad A$$" in many circles! What a story!

KW

PeterLucas said:

Bobo Bonobo® <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1183693839.275148.15040
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PeterLucas said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

Quoted message said:

He got his pic taken with two criminals*, for actions serving under
two other criminals**.

Quoted message said:

That doesn't lessen his valor, but needed to be said anyway.

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* Reagan and Weinberg (Iran Contra)
* LBJ and McNamara (war crimes in Viet Nam)

I didn't know LBJ served in Vietnam.

What did he do?

Had tons of Agent Orange sprayed on a small country. As commander in
chief, he was ultimately responsible for the Search & Destroy
strategy. Let's see, a group of soldiers comes into a village that
they suspect of supporting the VC, one guy looks into a hut where
there is a woman clutching a baby, terrified. He pulls the pin and
tossed the grenade inside.

LBJ and the Democrats escalated the Viet Nam conflict because if they
weren't "tough on Communism," the GOP would accuse them of being "soft
on Communism," with electoral repercussions.

Then there is the crime committed against the young Americans who were
sent over there to Search & Destroy.
"I am the world's forgotten boy, the one who searches, only to
destroy" (Iggy Pop)

In a nutshell:

"America didn't NEED defending from Viet Nam...
That was just rich people sending working class boys off
to fight for the property rights of the rich, while the sons
of the rich stayed at home, safe on college deferrments,
enjoying the hell out of getting [laid by] the leftover daughters
of the working class."

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--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane

--Bryan

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Quoted message said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

Unfortunately your dig:

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

does not apply at all here. Pvt Benavidez's actions were indeed heroic,
but did not help me or any other American (or 99% of all people around
the world) to sleep "safely in their beds" because the North Vietnamese
and Viet Cong posed precisely zero threat to us.

When you realize that Vietnam lost 1 million troops and 2 million non-
combatant civilians dead, almost all to US forces, in an illegal,
immoral, and just plain stupid war, it's really difficult to get worked
up over such "heros."

--
Peter Aitken

"KW" <keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet> wrote in news:6293a$468e2de6
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Quoted message said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

Peter, Having grown up in the Southeastern U.S., this guy would be
respectfully known as a "Billy Bad A$$" in many circles! What a story!

KW

He's got my vote for Super Hero.

The guy was born with balls of *stainless* steel!!!!

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

Peter A <[email hidden]> wrote in news:MPG.20f814dcdabd0a5b989c72
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Quoted message said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

Unfortunately your dig:

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

does not apply at all here. Pvt Benavidez's actions were indeed

heroic,

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but did not help me or any other American (or 99% of all people around
the world) to sleep "safely in their beds" because the North

I'll be back to you, and the others, in a little bit.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

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Peter A <[email hidden]> wrote in news:MPG.20f814dcdabd0a5b989c72
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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

Unfortunately your dig:

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

does not apply at all here. Pvt Benavidez's actions were indeed

heroic,

Quoted message said:

but did not help me or any other American (or 99% of all people around
the world) to sleep "safely in their beds" because the North

I'll be back to you, and the others, in a little bit.

While you are off doing whatever, please take some time to learn about
proper quoting of messages you are responding to. When you cut off the
most important part of a message that disagrees with you, it makes
people think that you are doing it intentionally or that you are really
stupid.

--
Peter Aitken

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:00:04 -0400, Peter A <[email hidden]>

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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

Unfortunately your dig:

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

does not apply at all here. Pvt Benavidez's actions were indeed heroic,
but did not help me or any other American (or 99% of all people around
the world) to sleep "safely in their beds" because the North Vietnamese
and Viet Cong posed precisely zero threat to us.

When you realize that Vietnam lost 1 million troops and 2 million non-
combatant civilians dead, almost all to US forces, in an illegal,
immoral, and just plain stupid war, it's really difficult to get worked
up over such "heros."

And how long were you in Vietnam?

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[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

When you realize that Vietnam lost 1 million troops and 2 million non-
combatant civilians dead, almost all to US forces, in an illegal,
immoral, and just plain stupid war, it's really difficult to get worked
up over such "heros."

And how long were you in Vietnam?

Please explain what relevance your question has to this topic. My
opinion is valid (or not) on its own merits, and my past military
service (or lack thereof) is irrelevant.

We are waiting.

--
Peter Aitken

-bwg said:

I'm thinking of making the following my .sig

"I'm sure that the vice president may have expressed an opinion ...
and he may have recused himself; I honestly don't know."
--Tony Snow

exactly what does tony snow 'honestly know'? i doubt he honestly
farts.

your pal,
helen

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Peter A <[email hidden]> wrote in news:MPG.20f814dcdabd0a5b989c72
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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

Unfortunately your dig:

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

does not apply at all here. Pvt Benavidez's actions were indeed

heroic,

Quoted message said:

but did not help me or any other American (or 99% of all people around
the world) to sleep "safely in their beds" because the North

I'll be back to you, and the others, in a little bit.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

Don't waste your time, Peter.

"Constructimus, Batuimus"

Pan Ohco said:

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:00:04 -0400, Peter A <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

My .sig was made for this guy............... a Hero with a capital H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez

Unfortunately your dig:

"People sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in
the night to do violence to those who would do them harm"
-- George Orwell

does not apply at all here. Pvt Benavidez's actions were indeed heroic,
but did not help me or any other American (or 99% of all people around
the world) to sleep "safely in their beds" because the North Vietnamese
and Viet Cong posed precisely zero threat to us.

When you realize that Vietnam lost 1 million troops and 2 million non-
combatant civilians dead, almost all to US forces, in an illegal,
immoral, and just plain stupid war, it's really difficult to get worked
up over such "heros."

And how long were you in Vietnam?

having been in vietnam allows you to judge the strategic value of the
war? quick, someone tell henry kissinger.

your pal,
blake

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exactly what does tony snow 'honestly know'? i doubt he honestly
farts.

your pal,
helen

Snow went from lying for Fox to lying for Bush. I guess that's a step
up.

--
Peter Aitken

Bobo Bonobo® said:

In a nutshell:

"America didn't NEED defending from Viet Nam...
That was just rich people sending working class boys off
to fight for the property rights of the rich, while the sons
of the rich stayed at home, safe on college deferrments,
enjoying the hell out of getting [laid by] the leftover daughters
of the working class."

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--Bryan- Hide quoted text -

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During the Civil War, rich people didn't always have to send "...
working class boys off to fight for the property rights of the
rich, ....
Some rich people paid out of their own pockets the working class boys
to 'take their place.' Probably many did so gladly for most obvious
reasons. I have a couple of ancestors who did just that. There was no
draft, yet there was always enough soldiers to fight.
Would you say things have changed; have changed for the better; or
changed for the worse. It is one of those cases where "the more
things change, the more they remain the same."
Dee Dee