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  1. On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:22:53 -0000, "Robert Hill" <zen17951@zen>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    -- Well, I'd guess at abt 100mb - not actually certain abt this though!


    Upload costs n/a as I am on ADSL.

    But there will still be upload costs if you have to use their dial-in number.

    --
    Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com 114
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  2. Paul Rooney said:
    Quoted message said:

    Get rid of frontpage NOW, before you've put the effort into getting into extremely bad habits.

    It's easy to use and it looks OK.

    But the underlying code is a complete mess, which makes it very difficult to edit it when you need
    to. Even if you don't need to, lots of [censored] gets added as you edit the page in WYSIWYG format, like
    redundant tags, which bloat the code and make the pages take longer to load. If you load in neat
    code from another program, it messes it up.

    Paul
    --
    The October Project 2003
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  3. Simon Caldwell said:
    Paul Rooney said:


    How big is the site going to be? Connectfree give you free space but you have to dial in to
    edit/upload your stuff, so you would be paying phone charges during this time. Netfirms give 25Mb,
    I think, free, and you can use Front Page.

    Connectfree will sell you the ability to upload via ADSL or such like for £50 p.a.

    Wouldn't it be better to get the free one and pay the phone bill?

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    Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com 114
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  4. Paul Saunders said:
    Paul Rooney said:
    Quoted message said:

    Get rid of frontpage NOW, before you've put the effort into getting into extremely bad habits.

    It's easy to use and it looks OK.

    But the underlying code is a complete mess, which makes it very difficult to edit it when you need
    to. Even if you don't need to, lots of [censored] gets added as you edit the page in WYSIWYG format, like
    redundant tags, which bloat the code and make the pages take longer to load. If you load in neat
    code from another program, it messes it up.

    Paul

    I'll take your word for it - but it suits my simple requirements, and I've had no problem with
    simple edits. Horses for courses, I suppose. I like being able to put a page up with scarcely more
    than a few mouse clicks.

    --
    Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com 114
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  5. On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:04:18 +0000, [email hidden] (Nick

    Kew) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, one of infinite monkeys at the keyboard of

    Paul Rooney said:

    It's easy to use and it looks OK.

    But the garbage it produces is neither.

    What do you mean, Nick?

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  6. Paul Saunders said:
    Paul Rooney said:
    Quoted message said:

    Get rid of frontpage NOW, before you've put the effort into getting into extremely bad habits.

    It's easy to use and it looks OK.

    But the underlying code is a complete mess, which makes it very difficult to edit it when you need
    to. Even if you don't need to, lots of [censored] gets added as you edit the page in WYSIWYG format, like
    redundant tags, which bloat the code and make the pages take longer to load. If you load in neat
    code from another program, it messes it up.

    I don't like Frontpage because it is a very clear example of the Microsoft embrace and extend
    strategy. However, your comments about poor quality code are probably based on Frontpage 97 or 98,
    which were pretty dire. FP97 in particular had a well-earned reputation for trashing imported code.

    I don't know about more recent versions, but I have to use and support Frontpage 2000 at work and if
    you keep an eye on what it is doing and avoid using MS-specific stuff like shared borders and themes
    (page includes are safe to use if you know how they work - it isn't obvious at first) then it is a
    fairly competent html editor, although I have to admit that I tend to use the HTML editing mode
    rather a lot. FP2000 doesn't give much assistance in implementing cascading stylesheets but it won't
    mess up your efforts if you add that sort of thing in html mode.

    Having said that, I wouldn't dream of using it for my own stuff at home, where I do little enough
    for Mozilla and a decent text editor to meet my current needs.

  7. On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:43:07 +0000, Paul Rooney <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Connectfree will sell you the ability to upload via ADSL or such like for £50 p.a.

    Wouldn't it be better to get the free one and pay the phone bill?

    That's what I do, but it depends how much you need to upload, and how much you value your time.

  8. Following up to Paul Rooney

    Quoted message said:


    I'll take your word for it - but it suits my simple requirements, and I've had no problem with
    simple edits. Horses for courses, I suppose. I like being able to put a page up with scarcely more
    than a few mouse clicks.

    Looking at your site, you wouldn't have any trouble writing that without anything beyond
    Netscape Composer.
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso UK walking & photos
    "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain,cuisines and walking "fell-fell-
    walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  9. "Paul Rooney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    What do you mean, Nick?

    Chill Paul. Your site is fine. Just keep your mug off it though.

    Ian.

    --
    Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - mailgate.orgmailgate.org

  10. On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:43:20 +0000, Reid <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Following up to Paul Rooney

    Quoted message said:


    I'll take your word for it - but it suits my simple requirements, and I've had no problem with
    simple edits. Horses for courses, I suppose. I like being able to put a page up with scarcely more
    than a few mouse clicks.

    Looking at your site, you wouldn't have any trouble writing that without anything beyond Netscape
    Composer.

    I might take a look at some other tools some time.

    --
    Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com 114
    Wainwrights

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  11. Ian Dainty said:

    "Paul Rooney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    What do you mean, Nick?

    Chill Paul. Your site is fine. Just keep your mug off it though.

    Ian.

    Phew! For a minute there my heart was pounding as the adrenalin flowed, and I almost raced for the
    baseball bat!

    PS. My mug is better than your mug.

    --
    Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com 114
    Wainwrights

    Please sponsor me for the London Marathon at: justgiving.comlondon2004

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