OT: Warning on Poster (long)

G'day Alan,

His first thread convinced me that there are worthier people to listen to....

Henry

"Alan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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This is a warning on a specific poster, something I rarely do; AFAIK this is my first. Those of
you who don't read alt.food.diabetes will not be aware of it.

A couple of weeks ago we started seeing posts on all three diabetes ngs from
[email hidden] . In reading and responding some of the posts seemed a little extreme, but
not unusually so for us.

Then the name started appearing on a.f.d, posting some very high carb recipes. The following is an
edited selection of responses from bistoury on the "Pineappple upside down Cake" thread:

"Well here in our office we will all eat it. I am very satisfied with just a bite but I really am
not concerned with bg spikes or not. My philosophy is if it tastes good have at it. Some of the
guys here feel the same. Life is to short not to eat what you want."

OK, he's T1 and can balance it. Then: "Many of you play at dieting and diabetic control and when
heads are turned you stuff your little faces and then only your HbgA1c knows the truth. Life is
too short to make of career of being a little sick diabetic whose life is centered on one or two
extra carbs or cals."

Well, he could be right, then: "As Matt stated previously these recipes come from a find book
sponsored by The American Diabetic Association and is listed in their catalog. Would you go
against the official doctrine of the official representatives of the medical community that treats
diabetics and do your own by trial and error? I would find that very dangerous. If you are a
diabetic why not follow the official line of the official groups of doctors and researchers that
are your mentors. But I see you are a type 2 and that equates in not a real diabetic just one who
won't lose weight and exercise. Pauli"

Interesting view of all T2s. Hang on who's Matt? Where did Pauli appear from? then: "You may have
directed your missive to Matt not me. My basic language is French so my interprets is different
from yours. I will give to Matt when he returns. Pauli"

and: There are not two of us there are 27 of us that use this ID for sales and service. Hopefully
this answers your questions. Pauli #18"

We seem to have a many-headed poster here: "Not at all. Quite a common experience when you have an
office that is open 24 hours per day and someone has always to be at one computer for referrals or
orders. There are many more computers but they are dedicated to basic promotion. Have you never
seen a large computer sales organization in action? Pauli"

So it appears when you reply to "bistoury" you may be responding to Matt, or Pauli or any of the
other 25 people in the office, who may or may not be diabetic or trying to sell you something.
Coincidentally, nearly every link that's been provided went off to Amazon.

I will ignore the twit, or twits in future. You make your own judgment.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz. dx May 2002 , A1C 5.8, no meds, diet and not enough exercise. I have no
medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because
experience can be an expensive teacher.
--
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"Alan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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re: bistoury

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I will ignore the twit, or twits in future. You make your own judgment.

I will do my best to ignore to ignore him, her or "it" too.

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Type 2 users.bestweb.net~jboveOpen ↗

I PLONKED him a long time ago.

He is not welcome on my computer.

PJ

"Alan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

This is a warning on a specific poster, something I rarely do; AFAIK this is my first. Those of
you who don't read alt.food.diabetes will not be aware of it.

A couple of weeks ago we started seeing posts on all three diabetes ngs from
[email hidden] . In reading and responding some of the posts seemed a little extreme, but
not unusually so for us.

Then the name started appearing on a.f.d, posting some very high carb recipes. The following is an
edited selection of responses from bistoury on the "Pineappple upside down Cake" thread:

"Well here in our office we will all eat it. I am very satisfied with just a bite but I really am
not concerned with bg spikes or not. My philosophy is if it tastes good have at it. Some of the
guys here feel the same. Life is to short not to eat what you want."

OK, he's T1 and can balance it.

That's a myth that needs dispelling as soon as poss. A T1 CAN'T balance a meal if it's high carb
unless he'she wants to put on huge amounts of weight. Bistoboy is just a troll and a dangerous
one at that.

Then:

Quoted message said:

"Many of you play at dieting and diabetic control and when heads are turned you stuff your little
faces and then only your HbgA1c knows the truth. Life is too short to make of career of being a
little sick diabetic whose life is centered on one or two extra carbs or cals."

Well, he could be right, then:

He's right in that life IS too short to be a professional diabetic, but that's not he same as
exercising some discipline and control, but if he thinks we all stuff our faces when we think no-
one's looking, he's a bigger goomer than I thought possible.

Quoted message said:

"As Matt stated previously these recipes come from a find book sponsored by The American Diabetic
Association and is listed in their catalog. Would you go against the official doctrine of the
official representatives of the medical community that treats diabetics and do your own by trial
and error?

Well I did/do.

I would find that very dangerous. If you

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are a diabetic why not follow the official line of the official groups of doctors and researchers
that are your mentors.

Because they're not my mentors.

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But I see you are a type 2 and that equates in not a real diabetic just one who won't lose weight
and exercise.

Typical of bistoboy to come out with [censored] like that.

He's only a troll though, and he won't be around for long.

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Pauli"

Interesting view of all T2s. Hang on who's Matt? Where did Pauli appear from? then:

Matt, Pauli, bistoboy, they're probably all the same.

Quoted message said:

"You may have directed your missive to Matt not me. My basic language is French so my interprets
is different from yours. I will give to Matt when he returns. Pauli"

and: There are not two of us there are 27 of us that use this ID for sales and service. Hopefully
this answers your questions. Pauli #18"

We seem to have a many-headed poster here:

Agreed.

Quoted message said:

"Not at all. Quite a common experience when you have an office that is open 24 hours per day and
someone has always to be at one computer for referrals or orders. There are many more computers
but they are dedicated to basic promotion. Have you never seen a large computer sales organization
in action? Pauli"

So it appears when you reply to "bistoury" you may be responding to Matt, or Pauli or any of the
other 25 people in the office,

Whuch is more than liely manned by a single [censored]:-))

who may or

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may not be diabetic or trying to sell you something.

He's as diabetic as I'm astronautic, and he IS here to sell us something. Maybe he hasn't openly
said so yet, but he will.

Coincidentally,

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nearly every link that's been provided went off to Amazon.

I will ignore the twit, or twits in future. You make your own judgment.

I read his posts for the amuseent value now, nothing more.

Beav

Beav said:

Quoted message said:

"Well here in our office we will all eat it. I am very satisfied with just a bite but I really am
not concerned with bg spikes or not. My philosophy is if it tastes good have at it. Some of the
guys here feel the same. Life is to short not to eat what you want."

OK, he's T1 and can balance it.

That's a myth that needs dispelling as soon as poss. A T1 CAN'T balance a meal if it's high carb
unless he'she wants to put on huge amounts of weight. Bistoboy is just a troll and a dangerous
one at that.

Sorry Beav - and other T1s. I stand corrected.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz. dx May 2002 , A1C 5.8, no meds, diet and not enough exercise. I have no medical
qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be
an expensive teacher.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

Not trolls just those hoping to live better through different lifestyles. People who do not
functions as professional diabetics. Mac

Alan said:

Beav said:

Quoted message said:

"Well here in our office we will all eat it. I am very satisfied with just a bite but I really am
not concerned with bg spikes or not. My philosophy is if it tastes good have at it. Some of the
guys here feel the same. Life is to short not to eat what you want."

OK, he's T1 and can balance it.

That's a myth that needs dispelling as soon as poss. A T1 CAN'T balance a meal if it's high carb
unless he'she wants to put on huge amounts of weight. Bistoboy is just a troll and a dangerous one
at that.

Sorry Beav - and other T1s. I stand corrected.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz. dx May 2002 , A1C 5.8, no meds, diet and not enough exercise. I have no
medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because
experience can be an expensive teacher.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

"Alan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Beav said:

Quoted message said:

"Well here in our office we will all eat it. I am very satisfied with just a bite but I really
am not concerned with bg spikes or not. My philosophy is if it tastes good have at it. Some of
the guys here feel the same. Life is to short not to eat what you want."

OK, he's T1 and can balance it.

That's a myth that needs dispelling as soon as poss. A T1 CAN'T balance a meal if it's high carb
unless he'she wants to put on huge amounts of

weight.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bistoboy is just a troll and a dangerous one at that.

Sorry Beav - and other T1s. I stand corrected.

No probs Al, but it's something that's got out of hand just lately. We have to do the same as ANY
diabetic, and that's very carefully watch what we eat, and inject accordingly, because on top of the
ability to have stupidly high BG's, we have an amazing ability to crash to stupidly low BG's if we
abuse the needle, so that means we don't have the full menu at our disposal.

Getting giddy with the needle is a sure fire way to a very unhappy existence.

I wish it WERE the case that I could eat like I used to be able to, but unfortunately, it's not, and
I'll bet that lots of T1's feel exactly the same.

Beav

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Not trolls just those hoping to live better through different lifestyles. People who do not
functions as professional diabetics. Mac

Well, there you have it. Trying to be different. Off with his head!

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Not trolls just those hoping to live better through different lifestyles. People who do not
functions as professional diabetics. Mac

Beav said:

I wish it WERE the case that I could eat like I used to be able to, but unfortunately, it's not,
and I'll bet that lots of T1's feel exactly the same.

Hey Beav,

Nice use of the CAUSAL SUBJUNCTIVE.

Ditto.

Beav said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That's a myth that needs dispelling as soon as poss. A T1 CAN'T balance a meal if it's high carb
unless he'she wants to put on huge amounts of

weight.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bistoboy is just a troll and a dangerous one at that.

Sorry Beav - and other T1s. I stand corrected.

No probs Al, but it's something that's got out of hand just lately. We have to do the same as ANY
diabetic, and that's very carefully watch what we eat, and inject accordingly, because on top of
the ability to have stupidly high BG's, we have an amazing ability to crash to stupidly low BG's if
we abuse the needle, so that means we don't have the full menu at our disposal.

Getting giddy with the needle is a sure fire way to a very unhappy existence.

I wish it WERE the case that I could eat like I used to be able to, but unfortunately, it's not,
and I'll bet that lots of T1's feel exactly the same.

Beav

Hi Beav.

Once again, I find that the more I learn the less I know. But still learning something knew
every day. Thx.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz. dx May 2002 , A1C 5.8, no meds, diet and not enough exercise. I have no medical
qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be
an expensive teacher.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

"Moo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Not trolls just those hoping to live better through different lifestyles. People who do not
functions as professional diabetics. Mac

Well, there you have it. Trying to be different. Off with his head!

In a BIG way. I notice he never answered my question about the wonderful "Inulin" pills he takes.
Seems like a rather odd name to choose for a pill too, like they're trying to make people think
they're INSULIN pills.

'Course, tht's probably me being a cynical swine :-)

Beav

BigNascarFan said:

Beav said:

I wish it WERE the case that I could eat like I used to be able to, but unfortunately, it's not,
and I'll bet that lots of T1's feel exactly the same.

Hey Beav,

Nice use of the CAUSAL SUBJUNCTIVE.

Ditto.

I thought I'd heard my last piece of grammatical excess the day I failed latin for the final time.

Any word I've forgotten the meaning of is obviously excessive and unnecessary.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz. dx May 2002 , A1C 5.8, no meds, diet and not enough exercise. I have no medical
qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be
an expensive teacher.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

"BigNascarFan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Beav said:

I wish it WERE the case that I could eat like I used to be able to, but unfortunately, it's not,
and I'll bet that lots of T1's feel exactly the same.

Hey Beav,

Nice use of the CAUSAL SUBJUNCTIVE.

I'd probably agree if I knew what the f it was Nas :-)

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Ditto.

The point made then> 🙂

Beav

Beav said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I wish it WERE the case that I could eat like I used to be able to, but unfortunately, it's
not, and I'll bet that lots of T1's feel exactly the same.

Hey Beav,

Nice use of the CAUSAL SUBJUNCTIVE.

I'd probably agree if I knew what the f it was Nas :-)

It just comes natural to youse cause y'all invented English. It's the if/then thing when IT WAS
becomes IT WERE and the CAN becomes COULD, with a THAT or sumpthin thrown in..

What you said formally said was:
- If it were the case, then I could eat like i used to.

I guess Latin helped me sort it out im me mind on the causal thingy/plural verb flip.

Hey the days are getting a tad longer, it'll be time to dust off those birds soon.

BigNascarFan said:

Beav said:

Quoted message said:

> I wish it WERE the case that I could eat like I used to be able to, but unfortunately, it's
> not, and I'll bet that lots of T1's feel exactly the same.

Hey Beav,

Nice use of the CAUSAL SUBJUNCTIVE.

I'd probably agree if I knew what the f it was Nas :-)

It just comes natural to youse cause y'all invented English. It's the if/then thing when IT WAS
becomes IT WERE and the CAN becomes COULD, with a THAT or sumpthin thrown in..

What you said formally said was:
- If it were the case, then I could eat like i used to.

I guess Latin helped me sort it out im me mind on the causal thingy/plural verb flip.

Hey the days are getting a tad longer, it'll be time to dust off those birds soon.

it's always funny to get a grammar lesson from someone with grammar as bad as my own.

Mack Type 1 since 1975 alt-support-diabetes.orgalt-support-diabetes.orgOpen ↗ insulin-pumpers.orginsulin-pumpers.orgOpen ↗

In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a
world filled with strife and terrorism.

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 18:41:09 -0500, Mack <[email hidden]>

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t's always funny to get a grammar lesson from someone with grammar as bad as my own.

Mack Type 1 since 1975

Sorry you had a bad grammar, mine was a lovely old lady.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz. dx May 2002 , A1C 5.8, no meds, diet and not enough exercise. I have no medical
qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be
an expensive teacher.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

Mack said:

BigNascarFan said:

Beav said:

> > I wish it WERE the case that I could eat like I used to be able to, but unfortunately, it's
> > not, and I'll bet that lots of T1's feel exactly the same.
>
> Hey Beav,
>
> Nice use of the CAUSAL SUBJUNCTIVE.

I'd probably agree if I knew what the f it was Nas :-)

It just comes natural to youse cause y'all invented English. It's the if/then thing when IT WAS
becomes IT WERE and the CAN becomes COULD, with a THAT or sumpthin thrown in..

What you said formally said was:
- If it were the case, then I could eat like i used to.

I guess Latin helped me sort it out im me mind on the causal thingy/plural verb flip.

Hey the days are getting a tad longer, it'll be time to dust off those birds soon.

it's always funny to get a grammar lesson from someone with grammar as bad as my own.

I didn't mean to correct anything Beav said. He was spot on-how's that for Brit talk?

I just meant to meander about the "causal subjunctive" and how it's proper use comes more naturally
to the folks that invented the language- than to us american anglais users.

I'm still struck by Beav's use of the 'caus sub' and the powerful point he made.

"I wish it WERE the case that I could eat like I used to be able to, but unfortunately, it's not,
and I'll bet that lots of T1's feel exactly the same."

Ditto, Ditto, Ditto!!!

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I wish it WERE the case that I could eat like I used to be able to, but unfortunately, it's not,
and I'll bet that lots of T1's feel exactly the same.

Beav

Hi Beav.

Once again, I find that the more I learn the less I know. But still learning something knew every
day. Thx.

Al, it's the same for every damned one of us, and ANY diabetic who thinks he knows it all, or can't
learn something everyday is a fool.

I THOUGHT I knew it all 10 or more years ago coz I was in EXCELLENT control, even though it was
piggin hard work. Now it's got a litle easier, mainly because of three things. I have TWO excellent
insulins, a good deal more knowledge and a LOT more discipline, which only came from forming good
habits over the last 10 years.

Now I KNOW what I can't eat and only THINK I know what I can eat:-)

Beav