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  1. On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:50:53 +0100, John

    john.burton@no_spam.journeymen.co.uk said:

    On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:43:18 +0100, Paul Rooney

    Quoted message said:

    This was discussed hre not so long ago, but I can't find
    the discussion. People were getting infected emails
    apparently from other members of the ng, though not really
    from said other members. Nick's got a couple that appear
    to come from me, and had emailed me as follows:

    ..............snip............

    You are laying yourself open to Spam by having your email
    address in your newsgroup postings and then compounding it
    by posting a message with email addresses in it. Spambots
    will lap these up; so you will get more [censored].

    <snip>

    Thanks. I don't actually get much spam - AOL filters it for
    me. They also give me more addresses, so I can keep some for
    private stuff.

    --

    Paul

    My Lake District walking site:

    paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com

  2. Phil Cook said:

    Mailwasher is currently killing 150 ish spam emails a day
    on my address.

    I'm up to about 750 a day now (on multiple addresses).

    Quoted message said:

    Wanadoo (freeserve) are now doing spam filtering that puts
    *** SPAM *** at the start of the subject line.

    Yeah, and they frequently get it wrong. A friend of mine
    keeps getting marked as Spam. I wrote to Freeserve about it
    and they assured me that his name is not on a Spammer's
    list. They said that their Spam detection methods will
    improve over time, so they'll get better at differentiating
    what is and isn't Spam.

    Paul
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  3. Paul Rooney said:

    Thanks. I don't actually get much spam - AOL filters
    it for me.

    So how do you know how many real emails you're not getting?

    Paul
    --
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  4. * The air of uk.rec.walking was filled with the
    delicate perfume
    * of violets, as Phil Cook <u-r-walk@p-t-
    cook.RfErMeOeVsEeCrAvPeS.co.uk>
    * descended on a shaft of golden sunlight, and announced:

    Quoted message said:

    Mailwasher is currently killing 150 ish spam emails a day
    on my address. Wanadoo (freeserve) are now doing spam
    filtering that puts *** SPAM *** at the start of the
    subject line.

    Yes, very handy - I use mailfiter on Linux to dump these on
    the server!

    Regards: Jim Ford

  5. Paul Saunders said:

    How does this redirecting work exactly? Is it the same
    thing as email forwarding?

    aye

    SteveO

    NE Climbers & walkers chat forum;
    thenmc.org.ukindex.php

    NMC website: thenmc.org.ukthenmc.org.uk

  6. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Phil Cook said:

    Mailwasher is currently killing 150 ish spam emails a
    day on my address.

    I'm up to about 750 a day now (on multiple addresses).

    Quoted message said:

    Wanadoo (freeserve) are now doing spam filtering that
    puts *** SPAM *** at the start of the subject line.

    I corresponded with someone on rec.knives and my mail to him
    was marked as spam.

    Quoted message said:

    Yeah, and they frequently get it wrong.

    Indeed.

    Quoted message said:

    A friend of mine keeps getting marked as Spam. I wrote to
    Freeserve about it and they assured me that his name is
    not on a Spammer's list. They said that their Spam
    detection methods will improve over time, so they'll get
    better at differentiating what is and isn't Spam.

    Maybe, maybe not. It's an arms race of a classic sort, and
    there's no saying who will win. It may become pointless to
    use email beyond a certain point.
    --
    Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen

  7. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Rooney said:

    Thanks. I don't actually get much spam - AOL filters it
    for me.

    So how do you know how many real emails you're not
    getting?

    That's like "Please reply to me if you don't get this
    message."
    --
    Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen

  8. Paul Saunders said:
    Paul Rooney said:

    Thanks. I don't actually get much spam - AOL filters it
    for me.

    So how do you know how many real emails you're not getting?

    Paul

    I can check my spam folder if I want to. Or I can just
    leave them to
    it.

    --

    Paul

    My Lake District walking site:

    paulrooney.netfirms.compaulrooney.netfirms.com

  9. Paul Saunders said:

    I'm up to about 750 a day now (on multiple addresses).

    That is a shed-load of spam; when I got to 100+ per day it
    was driving me nuts!

    Quoted message said:

    They said that their Spam detection methods will improve
    over time, so they'll get better at differentiating what is
    and isn't Spam.

    Bayesian analysis: Reverend Thomas Bayes, 1702 - 1761

    no, no, I kid you not, they had spam around in those
    days too!!

    well, OK, perhaps I'm exagerating a teeny tiny bit, but only
    a bit ;-) Akshally the Reverend Bayes was a statistical
    whizz. I'm presuming here, that the analysis that some anti-
    spam proggies do, which is called Bayesian Analysis, is
    derived from the work of the good Reverend.

    Anti-spam programs that use Bayesian Analysis are
    characterised by a "learning curve", they typically hae a
    good guess at what's spam, make the occassional mistake, you
    bring the error to its attention, it "learns".

    K9, imho, is the best (in terms of effectiveness) ant-spam
    doodah at the moment; it uses Bayesian analysis and refers
    to RBL's (Real-Time "Black Holes", real-tme catalogues of
    spam sources.

    If you really want to get heavy you can rung something like
    K9 and Spampal (or others) in series. I did this for a while
    but derived no advantage over running K9 on its own.

    SteveO

    NE Climbers & walkers chat forum;
    thenmc.org.ukindex.php

    NMC website: thenmc.org.ukthenmc.org.uk

  10. Mark South said:

    Maybe, maybe not. It's an arms race of a classic sort, and
    there's no saying who will win. It may become pointless to
    use email beyond a certain point.

    Yeah. Something really should be done about it, it's getting
    out of hand.

    Paul
    --
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  11. Steve Orrell said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm up to about 750 a day now (on multiple addresses).

    That is a shed-load of spam; when I got to 100+ per day it
    was driving me nuts!

    Well Mailwasher is helping me out. It's so much now though
    that I'm not bothering to check them all in case any have
    been mistakenly marked for deletion. A few were at first but
    I'm only using the blacklist servers that haven't made such
    mistakes now.

    I've had to set the expiry date on my own blacklist to just
    1 day now because it was getting so big it was taking
    Mailwasher many minutes to load and would frequently crash.

    Quoted message said:

    K9, imho, is the best (in terms of effectiveness) ant-spam
    doodah at the moment; it uses Bayesian analysis and refers
    to RBL's (Real-Time "Black Holes", real-tme catalogues of
    spam sources.

    I replied to an email once which could not be sent because
    apparently I was in a "black-hole". So is that user using
    something which identifies me as a spammer and won't let my
    mail through? How can I contact this person?

    Paul
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  12. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark South said:

    Maybe, maybe not. It's an arms race of a classic sort,
    and there's no saying who will win. It may become
    pointless to use email beyond a certain point.

    Yeah. Something really should be done about it, it's
    getting out of hand.

    Everything that's being done is perpetuating the arms race.

    It's known that arms races generally produce two losers.

    Someone needs to be smart enough to end the arms race.

    People attempting to end arms races are generally reviled by
    both sides, since they each expect to win.

    Draw your conclusions.
    --
    Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen, Arms Race
    Nonparticipant

  13. Paul Saunders said:

    I've had to set the expiry date on my own blacklist to just
    1 day now because it was getting so big it was taking
    Mailwasher many minutes to load and would frequently crash.

    Actually, no bad thing - most spam has a deliberately false
    address so there's no advantage in blacklisting

    By the same token, most viruses nowadays spoof the address
    so it is difficult to determine its source. However, the
    email header will contain the originating IP address as well
    as email generator. Quite often you *can* work out the
    origin, tho' in my experience letting the person know rarely
    gets acknowledged (suspect either email is deleted as
    suspect or person is embarrassed!). Did receive thanks a
    week ago for one series of attacks!

    I have 6 email addresses, used for various aspects from very
    private, through commercial to public. 95% of my spam comes
    to a particular address (no, not this one - it's from using
    a news service across the pond). 85% of spam originates in
    East Europe or Far East - emphatically in that order (from
    looking at posting time to arrival time).

    95% of my viruses come to my very private address (again,
    not this one)

    Yes, some ISPs are taking action including, sadly, mine
    (NTL). They decided I must have an infection (and shunting
    me into a quarantine area - no email or website access) and
    it took 20 mins of arguing with them to convince them I was
    OK. This is with me insisting that my antivirus was working
    100%, with current definitions, and that my XP box was
    patched up to date. My concern is that, despite *knowing*
    that I was clean and being able to give technical responses
    to technical question, they *still* weren't entirely
    convinced. Pity the guy who doesn't know all the answers!
    And I still haven't resolved how I got singled out - "You
    must have a virus" was the support mantra.

    These support guys know little/nothing beyond what's typed
    on the paper in front of them (which usually reads: "Blame
    the customer and tell them its all their fault"😉. This is
    the second time I've used support and the 2nd time they've
    been hopeless! Last time I insisted that my lack of
    connection was due to low gain on the line - it took over a
    day to convince them to take a look, even, let alone do
    something about it. And guess what the solution was? Low
    gain on the line!!

    Apologies for going on for so long, especially in URW!!

    Mark

    Mark Cavendish Cardiff, Wales

  14. Mark South said:

    Everything that's being done is perpetuating the
    arms race.

    It's known that arms races generally produce two losers.

    Not convinced that it's really an arms race, the two sides
    aren't equal. One controls the technology, the other is
    simply exploiting it. Those who control the technology
    should put measures into place to stop the exploitation, or
    to at least make it very difficult.

    I mean all this Spam is down to bulk emailing yes? So why
    not stop bulk emailing? Perhaps all emails addressed to more
    than x number of addresses could be automatically trashed?
    Perhaps identical emails sent to more than x number of
    addresses could be automatically trashed? There are plenty
    of "known" spammers, why not simply block all emails from
    such people? (I know they'd just get another address and
    carry on, but if that were then blocked, then the next one
    and so on...)

    I'm sure there are problems and loopholes, but it's not as
    if it's that difficult to identify genuine Spam, is it? Spam
    occurs in bulk, so that's how to identify it. How many real
    emails are sent in the same quantities as Spam? Eliminate
    bulk emailing and most of the Spam problem would stop
    overnight.

    Something *has* to be done about this problem or email will
    become impractical in the future. That *can't* be allowed to
    happen because it's so useful. If the problem isn't solved a
    new kind of email may need to be invented, one which is far
    less easy to exploit.

    Paul
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  15. "Chris Townsend" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Mark South
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mark South wrote:

    > Maybe, maybe not. It's an arms race of a classic
    > sort, and there's no saying who will win. It may
    > become pointless to use email beyond a certain point.

    Yeah. Something really should be done about it, it's
    getting out of hand.

    Everything that's being done is perpetuating the
    arms race.

    It's known that arms races generally produce two losers.

    Someone needs to be smart enough to end the arms race.

    People attempting to end arms races are generally reviled
    by both sides,


    since

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they each expect to win.

    Draw your conclusions.

    You sound like Mr Miya from another place. "The way to win
    is not to play".

    Chris, as you know very well, any agreement between myself
    and Eugene is entirely accidental :-)

    Where have you been, BTW? You've been silent a couple of
    weeks, so I have been suspecting that we may require a trip
    report of you.
    --
    Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen

  16. "Chris Townsend" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Mark South
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Where have you been, BTW? You've been silent a couple of
    weeks, so I have


    been

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    suspecting that we may require a trip report of you.

    Sometimes I'm silent 'cos I'm working! This time I have
    been away, across Scotland on the 25th TGO Challenge,
    from Oban to Montrose. My 10th crossing. I was on the
    first one too.

    Cool.

    Did you get any axes thrown at you by dwarves, BTW? I ask
    'cos they've been fair flying around here. Axes I mean.

    Quoted message said:

    A mix of weather, with very heavy rain around Tyndrum and
    sunshine at the finish. 300kms, 14,000 metres of ascent,
    14 Corbetts, 7 Munros. Much wildlife, especially in the
    east, including a stoat running across the path in front
    of me with a rabbit in its mouth, a hen harrier patrolling
    the moors, a big fox loping past some wary sheep and a
    couple of high soaring golden eagles.

    We'll call that a summarised TR and let you off with a
    caution this time :-)

    JBTW: Yes, I *was* tempted to leave the huge multilayered
    indentation in the post a la rec.backcountry but I don't
    think it would have been appreciated here.
    --
    Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen

  17. Mark South wrote on Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:59:13 +0200....

    Quoted message said:

    Did you get any axes thrown at you by dwarves, BTW? I ask
    'cos they've been fair flying around here. Axes I mean.

    Mainly Babelfish flying around in my case :-)

    --
    Tim Jackson [email hidden] (Change
    '.invalid' to '.co.uk' to reply direct) Absurd patents:
    visit patent.freeserve.co.ukpatent.freeserve.co.uk

  18. "Chris Townsend" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Mark South
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    "Chris Townsend" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Mark South
    <[email hidden]> writes

    >Where have you been, BTW? You've been silent a couple
    >of weeks, so I have


    been

    Quoted message said:

    >suspecting that we may require a trip report of you.

    Sometimes I'm silent 'cos I'm working! This time I have
    been away, across Scotland on the 25th TGO Challenge,
    from Oban to Montrose. My 10th crossing. I was on the
    first one too.

    Cool.

    Did you get any axes thrown at you by dwarves, BTW? I ask
    'cos they've been fair flying around here. Axes I mean.

    Axes? Dwarves? Have I missed something bizarre?

    Oh yes!

    Quoted message said:

    The rain did appear a little personal at times but there
    were no axes.

    They were flying thick and fast around here and you had to
    duck a lot. Actually, most of the membership have been
    killed by them, as they will tell you themselves.

    Now come on you silent lot, verify my story for me!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A mix of weather, with very heavy rain around Tyndrum
    and sunshine at the finish. 300kms, 14,000 metres of
    ascent, 14 Corbetts, 7 Munros. Much wildlife,
    especially in the east, including a stoat running
    across the path in front of me with a rabbit in its
    mouth, a hen harrier patrolling the moors, a big fox
    loping past some wary sheep and a couple of high
    soaring golden eagles.

    We'll call that a summarised TR and let you off with a
    caution this time :-)

    JBTW: Yes, I *was* tempted to leave the huge multilayered
    indentation in the post a la rec.backcountry but I don't
    think it would have been appreciated here.

    No, this isn't a photography thread.

    But also, and most importantly, did you have your GPS
    with you? :-)
    --
    Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen

  19. Chris Townsend said:

    Axes? Dwarves? Have I missed something bizarre?

    If you were never into text adventures then don't worry
    about it. Just a bit of nostalgia.

    Although I could provide some links if you are
    interested... ;-)

    Paul
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  20. Chris Townsend said:

    Text adventures? Novels?

    No, the computer versions, not the kid's books.

    Quoted message said:

    Somehow I don't think so. Thinks...... Computer games
    before pictures? DOS games?

    Yep, that's right.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Although I could provide some links if you are
    interested... ;-)

    Thanks but probably not!

    Fair enough. You probably don't have the time to waste! ;-)

    Paul
    --
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