OT: USA

"rosie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I agree.

Why?
-j

US Citizen said:

Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we
continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other
countries that came to live in America because it is the Country of
Choice??????

Think about it!

All we have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS?

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US Citizen uscitizen@usa said:

Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we
continue
to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries

This is a joke, right? If not, then it must be a troll.

When the poeple of other countries are becoming the majority, then
Democracy will favor them.

so?
Afraid of not being favored anymore?

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"Dan Abel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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US Citizen <uscitizen@usa> wrote:

> Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we
> continue
> to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries

This is a joke, right? If not, then it must be a troll.

When the poeple of other countries are becoming the majority, then
Democracy will favor them.

so?
Afraid of not being favored anymore?

I'm not saying it like it's a bad thing. Cool yer engines.

"Joan in GB-W" <[email hidden]> wrote

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The city I live in recently put into local law an ordinance that English
be
the official language of the county. Anyway, when the side opposing the
legislation (I might add that that was my side) pointed out to them that
the
current immigrants are learning English far faster than OUR ancestors did
way back when, they ignored those facts.

One city here did that to cries of racism blah blah blah ... well, let the
people who think that such a bad idea go over to city hall and pick up
their CofO (don't ask) and other paperwork to sell a house and no one
understands what the hell you're looking for. Not acceptable to me.
I'm right behind the law that said, you want to work for the city, you
have to be able to communicate in English.

nancy

"Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Joan in GB-W" <[email hidden]> wrote

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The city I live in recently put into local law an ordinance that English be
the official language of the county. Anyway, when the side opposing the
legislation (I might add that that was my side) pointed out to them that the
current immigrants are learning English far faster than OUR ancestors did
way back when, they ignored those facts.

One city here did that to cries of racism blah blah blah ... well, let the
people who think that such a bad idea go over to city hall and pick up
their CofO (don't ask) and other paperwork to sell a house and no one
understands what the hell you're looking for. Not acceptable to me.
I'm right behind the law that said, you want to work for the city, you
have to be able to communicate in English.

nancy

I too am behind the laws that require English proficiency - However, many years
ago some of the immigrants wanted so desperately to "Americanize" that they
denied their American born children of their roots - and cultural heritage.
Also not a good thing. I would much rather have baklava as my roots than Oscar
Mayer. LOL.

Dimitri

Dimitri

US Citizen said:

This Was in a Tampa Newspaper....Please Read

Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we continue
to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that
came to live in America because it is the Country of Choice??????

I imagine the Navaho, the Irquois etc feel much the same way. Pesky
foreigners from England and Spain and the Netherlands and who knows
where the riff-raff are coming from. Good grief, even Scots and
Germans. It was all the fault of that blasted Italian.

Neighbourhood has never been the same since.

"Joan in GB-W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The city I live in recently put into local law an ordinance that English
be
the official language of the county. Anyway, when the side opposing the
legislation (I might add that that was my side) pointed out to them that
the
current immigrants are learning English far faster than OUR ancestors did
way back when, they ignored those facts.

The idea of making it a law for government employment is stupid. Simply make
English proficiency a requirement for each specific job that involves
speaking to the public. There are plenty of jobs behind the scenes where
your less-than-perfect won't frustrate the bejeezus out of 90% of the people
you come into contact with.

"Dan Abel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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US Citizen uscitizen@usa said:

Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we
continue
to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries

This is a joke, right? If not, then it must be a troll.

No. It's serious. But, it ignores the fact that people from other countries
have been the majority here since we stomped all over the native Americans.
People who write these things are morons.

alsandor said:

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The Romans from whom we

hold the dual feasts of Sol Indigetis and Saturnalia were residents of
Rome. The feasts are found in the calendar of Numa Pompilius, second
legendary king of Rome and successor to Romulus, who instituted a
calendrical reform. So, the feasts in question are "ciuitati" and
therefore cannot be "pagani".

But to get back on a rfc topic, what did they eat at these feasts?

John Kane
Kingston ON

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"Joan in GB-W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The city I live in recently put into local law an ordinance that English be
the official language of the county. Anyway, when the side opposing the
legislation (I might add that that was my side) pointed out to them that the
current immigrants are learning English far faster than OUR ancestors did
way back when, they ignored those facts.

The idea of making it a law for government employment is stupid. Simply make
English proficiency a requirement for each specific job that involves speaking
to the public. There are plenty of jobs behind the scenes where your
less-than-perfect won't frustrate the bejeezus out of 90% of the people you
come into contact with.

wellcone to madon - als kan I jave jour horder......

Dimitri

Doug Kanter said:

No. It's serious. But, it ignores the fact that people from other countries
have been the majority here since we stomped all over the native Americans.
People who write these things are morons.

The Spanish were well settled throughout the south west until the Americans
swept in and took over. American culture idolizes the defenders at the Alamo,
but it seems to me more like a bunch of Americans immigrated into a part of
Mexico and then rebelled against the government and took over.

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"Dan Abel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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US Citizen uscitizen@usa said:

Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we
continue
to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries

This is a joke, right? If not, then it must be a troll.

When the poeple of other countries are becoming the majority, then Democracy
will favor them.

Perhaps, but here in the United States, we are NOT a democracy, nor have
we ever been one.

"Dimitri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Joan in GB-W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The city I live in recently put into local law an ordinance that English
be
the official language of the county. Anyway, when the side opposing the
legislation (I might add that that was my side) pointed out to them that
the
current immigrants are learning English far faster than OUR ancestors
did
way back when, they ignored those facts.

The idea of making it a law for government employment is stupid. Simply
make English proficiency a requirement for each specific job that
involves speaking to the public. There are plenty of jobs behind the
scenes where your less-than-perfect won't frustrate the bejeezus out of
90% of the people you come into contact with.

wellcone to madon - als kan I jave jour horder......

Dimitri

Werp? :-)

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Doug Kanter said:

The idea of making it a law for government employment is stupid. Simply make
English proficiency a requirement for each specific job that involves
speaking to the public. There are plenty of jobs behind the scenes where
your less-than-perfect won't frustrate the bejeezus out of 90% of the people
you come into contact with.

But what if the public doesn't speak English? Perhaps the requirement
should be that the potential employee speaks a language that is used.
You wouldn't believe how many jobs around here require a knowledge of
Spanish in the job announcement.

"Stan Horwitz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Dan Abel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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US Citizen <uscitizen@usa> wrote:

> Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we
> continue
> to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries

This is a joke, right? If not, then it must be a troll.

When the poeple of other countries are becoming the majority, then
Democracy
will favor them.

Perhaps, but here in the United States, we are NOT a democracy, nor have
we ever been one.

I guess the Iraqis got it better than us.

"Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Joan in GB-W" <[email hidden]> wrote

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The city I live in recently put into local law an ordinance that English
be
the official language of the county. Anyway, when the side opposing the
legislation (I might add that that was my side) pointed out to them that
the
current immigrants are learning English far faster than OUR ancestors did
way back when, they ignored those facts.

One city here did that to cries of racism blah blah blah ... well, let the
people who think that such a bad idea go over to city hall and pick up
their CofO (don't ask) and other paperwork to sell a house and no one
understands what the hell you're looking for. Not acceptable to me.
I'm right behind the law that said, you want to work for the city, you
have to be able to communicate in English.

nancy

I'm sure there are jobs that would require a proficient use of the language.
However, my grandfather came over from Italy in the 20's, didn't know the
language, or learn it, but was good enough to work for the city sweeping
streets. Should he have been deprived employment with the city?

"Dan Abel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Doug Kanter said:

The idea of making it a law for government employment is stupid. Simply
make
English proficiency a requirement for each specific job that involves
speaking to the public. There are plenty of jobs behind the scenes where
your less-than-perfect won't frustrate the bejeezus out of 90% of the
people
you come into contact with.

But what if the public doesn't speak English? Perhaps the requirement
should be that the potential employee speaks a language that is used.
You wouldn't believe how many jobs around here require a knowledge of
Spanish in the job announcement.

Then, that should be mentioned in the job requirements. Why should this be
different than any other employment requirement, like mechanical training,
ability to climb ladders, etc?

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"Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Joan in GB-W" <[email hidden]> wrote

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The city I live in recently put into local law an ordinance that English
be
the official language of the county. Anyway, when the side opposing the
legislation (I might add that that was my side) pointed out to them that
the
current immigrants are learning English far faster than OUR ancestors
did
way back when, they ignored those facts.

One city here did that to cries of racism blah blah blah ... well, let
the
people who think that such a bad idea go over to city hall and pick up
their CofO (don't ask) and other paperwork to sell a house and no one
understands what the hell you're looking for. Not acceptable to me.
I'm right behind the law that said, you want to work for the city, you
have to be able to communicate in English.

nancy

I'm sure there are jobs that would require a proficient use of the
language. However, my grandfather came over from Italy in the 20's, didn't
know the language, or learn it, but was good enough to work for the city
sweeping streets. Should he have been deprived employment with the city?

No, because the bulk of his work didn't involve conversing with people all
day long. Different, though, from someone who's expected to answer questions
at a motor vehicle bureau or county clerk's office.

"FDR" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote

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One city here did that to cries of racism blah blah blah ... well, let
the
people who think that such a bad idea go over to city hall and pick up
their CofO (don't ask) and other paperwork to sell a house and no one
understands what the hell you're looking for. Not acceptable to me.
I'm right behind the law that said, you want to work for the city, you
have to be able to communicate in English.

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I'm sure there are jobs that would require a proficient use of the
language. However, my grandfather came over from Italy in the 20's, didn't
know the language, or learn it, but was good enough to work for the city
sweeping streets. Should he have been deprived employment with the city?

No, though I bet he'd have done well in a more skilled job had he spoken
the language. Before you get annoyed, there is nothing wrong with being
a street sweeper, someone had to do it, and it's hard honest work. But
even the most simple job is probably easier if you can read directions to
equipment, whatever. Those were far simpler times. But, I digress.

No, I really don't think it is at all acceptable to have to conduct business
required by law with people who can't read my applications or understand
what I need from them. You shouldn't be hired if you can't do the job.
I don't think it's too much to ask. I would expect the same of myself if
I moved to another country.

nancy