OT:The Perfect Political Campaign Button '06

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G.T. wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > Ted wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > inflation is staying low,
> >
> > At least we got that; unfortunately, the average American worker's pay
> > is not even staying up with that.
>
> I'm staying agnostic on this one since it crosses several administrations
> but I was shocked to see that both the middle and lower classes have lost
> ground to inflation since 1980 even with inflation so low.

No reason for being agnostic- the only time they gained ground since
1980 was during the only Democratic presidency- Bill Clinton's.

In fact, the only way to gain ground with low inflation is with
significant productivity gains that parallel job growth. The Fed takes
wage growth in general as a sign to start throttling back on an
economic expansion, which is pretty significant when you think about
it: when the results of an expansion start to reach middle class wage
earners is about the time the expansion stops. There have been a whole
series of economic policy changes starting with Reagan that have
contributed to the situation. Needless to say, the top 5% or so of the
population have made out just fabulously over the same period.

 

[di]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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t.
>
> No, the administration wants to intercept whatever damn international
> phone calls they want to. Right now they _say_ calls involving only
> known terrorists. (Well, that's not exactly what they say; it's more
> like "people who have talked to people who are suspected to have at
> some time or the other have talked to someone who was sympathetic to
> Islamic radicals.")


Don't be so paranoid, if they wanted to know what you are talking about, do
you really think they would need some approval to do so?

 

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di wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> t.
> >
> > No, the administration wants to intercept whatever damn international
> > phone calls they want to. Right now they _say_ calls involving only
> > known terrorists. (Well, that's not exactly what they say; it's more
> > like "people who have talked to people who are suspected to have at
> > some time or the other have talked to someone who was sympathetic to
> > Islamic radicals.")
>
>
> Don't be so paranoid, if they wanted to know what you are talking about, do
> you really think they would need some approval to do so?

I think they _do_ know what I'm talking about. You think the NSA isn't
scanning usenet? I think that probably I'm not at the threshold for
getting attention; afterall, about 60% of Americans anymore think that
Bush is a lousy president.

 

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di wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > ********. The "lower income groups" pay FICA to finance the huge
> > taxcuts given to the ultra-wealthiest on the promise that they will get
> > a Social Security pension that these "taxcutters" are trying their
> > damndest to make smaller.
>
>
> The only thing that's made SS smaller in recent years was the tax Bill
> Clinton put on it,

And you can thank the Democrats in Congress for stopping Bush's attempt
at Social Security "reform". But he said in an interview last week,
it's back on the table after this election.

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

William Asher wrote:
> Ted wrote:
>
> > Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >> Never have a word and a picture gone together quite so well!
> >>
> >> You Bushies should avoid clicking on this link, we all know the truth
> >> and the truth will hurt ;-)
> >>
> > Let's see... The current administration cut taxes so lower income
> > groups do not pay income taxes now, they are doing away with the death
> > tax so you don't have to sell the farm when Granddad dies, the tax
> > revenues are higher than they have ever been, unemployment is the
> > lowest in years, the stock market is the highest ever, inflation is
> > staying low, over 500 warheads filled with sarin and mustard gas were
> > removed from Iraq, Bush's judges don't want to confiscate privately
> > owned houses by eminent domain to build shopping centers Yeah, bad
> > job.
> > Ted.
> >
>
> http://tinyurl.com/tlv4r
>
>

LOL!!

 

[di]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> di wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> >
>> > ********. The "lower income groups" pay FICA to finance the huge
>> > taxcuts given to the ultra-wealthiest on the promise that they will get
>> > a Social Security pension that these "taxcutters" are trying their
>> > damndest to make smaller.
>>
>>
>> The only thing that's made SS smaller in recent years was the tax Bill
>> Clinton put on it,
>
> And you can thank the Democrats in Congress for stopping Bush's attempt
> at Social Security "reform". But he said in an interview last week,
> it's back on the table after this election.
>

What's wrong with "reform". I'm on SS, after Clinton's tax I get around
$1500/month, if I had put that money in the stock market the 40 years I
worked instead of the Washington Cesspool, my monthly income would maybe be
$10,000/15,000 a month or more.

 

[Donald Gillies]

"Ozark Bicycle" <[email protected]> writes:

>> > Let's see... The current administration cut taxes so lower income
>> > groups do not pay income taxes now,

Did you get a $5,000 tax cut ?? I sure didn't. The Bush Admin did
not cut taxes, they borroed $5,000 / household / year in order to
PRETEND to TEMPORARILY cut taxes. Reality is, they are spending like
banshees and now the Democrats have become the patriotic party of
frugality. Republicans - the CANDY PARTY ...

I don't have to respond to the rest of your lunatic article, I think
the absurdity of your very first claim speaks for itself.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA, USA

 

[Marty]

Ozark Bicycle wrote:

snip...

> But as long as taxes are low for *you* and you can afford to fill up
> the SUV, all is right in the world.

Hell yea! I love my SUV.
--
Marty

 

[Tim McNamara]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Ted" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > Never have a word and a picture gone together quite so well!
> >
> > You Bushies should avoid clicking on this link, we all know the
> > truth and the truth will hurt ;-)
> >
> Let's see... The current administration cut taxes so lower income
> groups do not pay income taxes now, they are doing away with the
> death tax so you don't have to sell the farm when Granddad dies, the
> tax revenues are higher than they have ever been, unemployment is the
> lowest in years, the stock market is the highest ever, inflation is
> staying low, over 500 warheads filled with sarin and mustard gas were
> removed from Iraq, Bush's judges don't want to confiscate privately
> owned houses by eminent domain to build shopping centers Yeah, bad
> job. Ted.

Some truth, some disingenuousness. At least you're on the talking
points.

The current administration cut taxes to benefit the wealthy
disproportionately. If you earn over $300,000 per year the President is
your friend. If you don't, he is less your friend. You are not part of
his "base."

There is no death tax. Period. There is an estate tax, also called an
inheritance tax. It starts at estates valued at $2,000,000 and affects
extremely few farmers, contrary to your efforts at FUD. Starting in
2009, it will be applied only to estate valued at $3,500,000 or more- so
even fewer people.

Tax revenues are indeed up; there are a variety of reasons for this.

Inflation continues to remain low, although this is not an automatically
good thing. Any economics textbook can fill you in as to why that's the
case.

500 warheads filled with sarin or mustard gas? I recall nothing of this
and cannot find anything searching the Web via Google. I find reports
of just over a dozen, corroded and unusable warheads, which subsequent
examination found were empty and did not appear to have ever contained
chemicals. UNSCOM began its neutralization of Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction in 1991 and by 1998 had eliminated 88,000 munitions. Hans
Blix and David Kay, who probably know more than anyone on the planet
about Iraq's weapons stockpiles, have refuted the notion that there are
undiscovered stockpiles of WMDs in Iraq. Several years of occupation
have turned up no significant caches despite the Vice President's staff
repeatedly calling in GPS coordinates where they believed there were
WMDs.

"Bush's judges" don't want to confiscate privately owned properties?
Bush's judges weren't involved in the Kelo decision. In general I sided
with the conservatives on the Supreme Court in this issue, although the
Kelo decision did adhere to the letter of the law. And that is what
Bush and the concertatives say they want judges to do, isn't it? There
are times, however, where the declaration of eminent domain is a good
and is appropriate- which is why the law specifies providing just and
adequate compensation.

 

[Tim McNamara]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Ted" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > *Real* bad job if one is concerned about the US becoming a rogue state,
> > about the right to privacy, about civil liberties, about due process,
> > about adhering to the Geneva Conventions, about not engaging in
> > torture, about not lying to the populace.....
> >
> > But as long as taxes are low for *you* and you can afford to fill up
> > the SUV, all is right in the world.
> >
> > "Ground Control to Major Ted"
>
> >
> > ^^^^^^
> > Orbiting high over Texas.
>
> The UN gave Iraq several ultimata and each time when Saddam didn't
> comply with the agreement of the armistice the UN just gave another
> ultimatum. Rogue State?

Rogue states declare that they can unilaterally do whatever they want to
do. George W. Bush has made that declaration.

> The administration wants to intercept international calls involving
> known terrorists, not domestic calls when neither party is a known
> terrorist. Where is the problem?

Because they violated the law to do it- uselessly since compliance with
the law would have not interfered one iota with any investigations that
had been done or would be done. Then they decided that they could just
set aside the law and not comply with it. When that resulted in a fuss,
then they wanted the law changed. Why? What are they trying to hide?
Why do they want to disable the system of checks and balances that has
been fundamental to the success of the American experiment for over 200
years? Do they fear accountability to the American people? They
certainly act as though they do.

Hmmm. Do you really want a President who considers himself above the
law? How about a Democratic President who considers himself above the
law?

> Due process. You mean giving citizen's rights to those who are not
> citizens?

Under the Constitution, many of the rights of citizenship are already
guaranteed to non-citizens within our borders. The right to due
process, for example. What you seem to not understand is that it is
just as easy to take away your rights as those of a non-citizen.

> The Geneva Convention pertains to prisoners of war...soldiers of an
> organized military. Terrorists do not fit in that catagory. I have
> not seen any evidence of their being tortured.

Then you are deaf, dumb and blind.

> I have not seen any evidence that the populace is being lied to.

Then you are either an idiot or a participatory liar.

> Use some common sense.

Sound advice. You should consider taking it. A funny thing about
common sense is that it is not all that common.

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

Donald Gillies wrote:
> "Ozark Bicycle" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >> > Let's see... The current administration cut taxes so lower income
> >> > groups do not pay income taxes now,
>
> Did you get a $5,000 tax cut ??

Don, the attributions may make it appear I wrote the "tax cut" BS; I
did not. here is the original post:

http://tinyurl.com/y2j65f

As you can see, "Ted" wrote the "tax cut" BS, not me.


> I sure didn't. The Bush Admin did
> not cut taxes, they borroed $5,000 / household / year in order to
> PRETEND to TEMPORARILY cut taxes. Reality is, they are spending like
> banshees and now the Democrats have become the patriotic party of
> frugality. Republicans - the CANDY PARTY ...
>
> I don't have to respond to the rest of your lunatic article, I think
> the absurdity of your very first claim speaks for itself.
>
> - Don Gillies
> San Diego, CA, USA

 

[Dane Buson]

In rec.bicycles.misc [email protected] wrote:
>
>> they are doing away with the death
>> tax so you don't have to sell the farm when Granddad dies,
>
> Yeah, Granddad Gates. Most people who own, live on, and work their own
> farms are already exempt from estate taxes.

Interestingly enough, Bill Gates and his father are both somewhat
against inherited wealth. His father is a rather vigorous opponent of
repealing the estate tax actually. He's been on a number of national
and local radio and television appearances on the subject if I recall
correctly.

Also, there is not a single family farm that has been ever lost because
of the estate tax. The exemption is too high for family farms for that
to happen. Of course, with all this talk of the loss of family farms
you might want to talk about huge agri-business and it's effect on
them...

--
Dane Buson - [email protected]
soon i discovered that this rock thing was true
jerry lee lewis was the devil
jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
all of a sudden, i found myself in love with the world
so there was only one thing that i could do
was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long

-Ministry - Psalm 69 - Jesus Built My Hotrod

 

[Gooserider]

"Ozark Bicycle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Ted wrote:
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>> > Never have a word and a picture gone together quite so well!
>> >
>> > You Bushies should avoid clicking on this link, we all know the truth
>> > and the truth will hurt ;-)
>> >
>> Let's see... The current administration cut taxes so lower income
>> groups do not pay income taxes now, they are doing away with the death
>> tax so you don't have to sell the farm when Granddad dies, the tax
>> revenues are higher than they have ever been, unemployment is the
>> lowest in years, the stock market is the highest ever, inflation is
>> staying low, over 500 warheads filled with sarin and mustard gas were
>> removed from Iraq, Bush's judges don't want to confiscate privately
>> owned houses by eminent domain to build shopping centers Yeah, bad
>> job.
>
> *Real* bad job if one is concerned about the US becoming a rogue state,
> about the right to privacy, about civil liberties, about due process,
> about adhering to the Geneva Conventions, about not engaging in
> torture, about not lying to the populace.....
>
> But as long as taxes are low for *you* and you can afford to fill up
> the SUV, all is right in the world.
>
> "Ground Control to Major Ted"
>

Would seem to me that cutting taxes while raising spending is pretty stupid.

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

Gooserider wrote:
> "Ozark Bicycle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Ted wrote:
> >> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >> > Never have a word and a picture gone together quite so well!
> >> >
> >> > You Bushies should avoid clicking on this link, we all know the truth
> >> > and the truth will hurt ;-)
> >> >
> >> Let's see... The current administration cut taxes so lower income
> >> groups do not pay income taxes now, they are doing away with the death
> >> tax so you don't have to sell the farm when Granddad dies, the tax
> >> revenues are higher than they have ever been, unemployment is the
> >> lowest in years, the stock market is the highest ever, inflation is
> >> staying low, over 500 warheads filled with sarin and mustard gas were
> >> removed from Iraq, Bush's judges don't want to confiscate privately
> >> owned houses by eminent domain to build shopping centers Yeah, bad
> >> job.
> >
> > *Real* bad job if one is concerned about the US becoming a rogue state,
> > about the right to privacy, about civil liberties, about due process,
> > about adhering to the Geneva Conventions, about not engaging in
> > torture, about not lying to the populace.....
> >
> > But as long as taxes are low for *you* and you can afford to fill up
> > the SUV, all is right in the world.
> >
> > "Ground Control to Major Ted"
> >
>
> Would seem to me that cutting taxes while raising spending is pretty stupid.

Hey, it worked for Ronnie Raygun; he was out of office before the fit
hit the shan. George II figured he'd give it a try, too.

 

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di wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > di wrote:
> >> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ********. The "lower income groups" pay FICA to finance the huge
> >> > taxcuts given to the ultra-wealthiest on the promise that they will get
> >> > a Social Security pension that these "taxcutters" are trying their
> >> > damndest to make smaller.
> >>
> >>
> >> The only thing that's made SS smaller in recent years was the tax Bill
> >> Clinton put on it,
> >
> > And you can thank the Democrats in Congress for stopping Bush's attempt
> > at Social Security "reform". But he said in an interview last week,
> > it's back on the table after this election.
> >
>
> What's wrong with "reform". I'm on SS, after Clinton's tax I get around
> $1500/month, if I had put that money in the stock market the 40 years I
> worked instead of the Washington Cesspool, my monthly income would maybe be
> $10,000/15,000 a month or more.

If you'd put it in the stock market 6 years ago you'd have to work an
extra year or so to make up the difference lost to inflation.

The stock market goes up and it goes down, but over the last 40 years
it also has spent a lot of time going sideways while inflation goes up.
I would like my retirement baseline to be based on a sure thing.

 

[Bill Sornson]

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> Never have a word and a picture gone together quite so well!
>
> You Bushies should avoid clicking on this link, we all know the truth
> and the truth will hurt ;-)
>
> http://www.ozarkbicycleservice.com/gwbperfect.jpg

Sadly, that's more thoughtful than what /usually/ passes for political
discourse with you.

Re-plonk. (Now please stop changing your user-name and/or address.)

> Remember to vote the bums out next Tuesday!

Scathing commentary, that.

ROTFL

 

[Bill Sornson]

G.T. wrote:
> "di" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Ozark Bicycle" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> *Real* bad job if one is concerned about the US becoming a rogue
>>> state, about the right to privacy, about civil liberties, about due
>>> process, about adhering to the Geneva Conventions, about not
>>> engaging in torture, about not lying to the populace.....
>>>
>>> But as long as taxes are low for *you* and you can afford to fill up
>>> the SUV, all is right in the world.
>>
>>
>> You really believe all this political trash don't you, really feel
>> sorry for you.
>>
>
> Well, Bush sure has done a good job pushing his big oil cronies to
> reduce the price of gas before the elections. Can't wait to see what
> he lets them collude to do after elections are over. $6 a gallon?

More like ten thou (or more) a clone. Why else would that couple in
Missouri pour nearly /$30M/ into a state constitutional amendment
masquerading as a stem cell propostion?

 

[Mark Hickey]

"Ozark Bicycle" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Ted wrote:

>> Let's see... The current administration cut taxes so lower income
>> groups do not pay income taxes now, they are doing away with the death
>> tax so you don't have to sell the farm when Granddad dies, the tax
>> revenues are higher than they have ever been, unemployment is the
>> lowest in years, the stock market is the highest ever, inflation is
>> staying low, over 500 warheads filled with sarin and mustard gas were
>> removed from Iraq, Bush's judges don't want to confiscate privately
>> owned houses by eminent domain to build shopping centers Yeah, bad
>> job.
>
>*Real* bad job if one is concerned about the US becoming a rogue state,
>about the right to privacy, about civil liberties, about due process,
>about adhering to the Geneva Conventions, about not engaging in
>torture, about not lying to the populace.....

Someone's lying, all right... but I'll give you a chance to redeem
yourself.

Not one law has been demonstrably broken, yet that doesn't matter -
does it? The US has stayed well within the bounds of the Geneva
Convention, yet the shrill cry of "torture" rings out from the left
daily.

Perhaps you can cite a credible source (and no, Cindy Sheehan doesn't
count) who can point to the specific laws that have been broken.

Or perhaps you think that the Democrats would sit by idly during a
contentious election and NOT cite the chapter and verse of the law if
it had indeed been broken? LOL (literally)

Of course my offer is moot, since you won't be able to back up your
conspiracy theory rants with facts, so it's already time to move on
(pardon the intentional pun).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

 

[di]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> If you'd put it in the stock market 6 years ago you'd have to work an
> extra year or so to make up the difference lost to inflation.
>
> The stock market goes up and it goes down, but over the last 40 years
> it also has spent a lot of time going sideways while inflation goes up.
> I would like my retirement baseline to be based on a sure thing.
>

If you think SS is a sure thing, you have a lot to learn.

 

[Mark Hickey]

"G.T." <[email protected]> wrote:

>Well, Bush sure has done a good job pushing his big oil cronies to reduce
>the price of gas before the elections. Can't wait to see what he lets them
>collude to do after elections are over. $6 a gallon?

Leading one to ponder just why he (and all his "allies" in the middle
east and South America - LOL) let them go UP before the election at
all. But it doesn't matter really - no matter if the prices go up,
down or stay the same it's all a great right wing conspiracy.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame