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  1. Sadly I'm still searching for the answer to this question
    and was wondering what others find most suitable?

    I have a camera backpack, which is great when I'm primarily
    out to take pictures and not walk great distance. The main
    problem with this system being that it's just too tempting
    to take more gear then is really necessary, but also
    doesn't really provide enough room for walking gear and I
    wouldn't want my water bladder or jam butties too close to
    the cameras.

    I've also tries a beltpack with shoulder strap (Lowe Off-
    Raod to be precise). Main problems with this are that it's
    just not compatible with a separate backpack and having too
    much weight on one side of your body can be a bit painful at
    the end of the day, unless you keep swapping it around.

    Finally, recently tried a chest harness, which seemed like
    it could be the solution. Works well with the backpack, but
    the major obstacle I found first time out was that I
    couldn't see where I was putting my feet on descent (yes
    I've heard all the gags about whether I can see my feet
    without the camera!), which lead to a couple of
    uncomfortable moments.

    So what's everyone else doing? What works for you and what
    did you find a real PITA, saving me from anymore failed
    experiments?

    And before anyone suggests just sticking the camera in my
    backpack and have done with it, I really want to have
    quicker access to the camera than this, otherwise my better
    half complains about how long its taking me (wish she'd make
    up her mind!!) and its half an hour before a catch up again.

    Regards, Richard G.

  2. Richard Gosney said:

    Sadly I'm still searching for the answer to this question
    and was wondering what others find most suitable?

    Padded belt cases/pouches or whatever they're called.

    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukpaulsaunders.html

    Not the clearest photo to show them but it's the best I
    have online at the moment. Each belt case is padded with a
    cordura covering, so they can take a few knocks and are
    effectively waterproof in all but the very heaviest of
    rain (in which case I wrap my cameras in plastic bags
    inside them).

    Each one is large enough to hold an SLR with a long
    telephoto lens or two shorter telephoto lenses so I have two
    SLRs ready for virtually instantaneous use. It takes
    literally just a matter of seconds to unzip the case and
    whip the camera out.

    I use a separate belt just for the camera cases and they
    don't interfere with a daysack or a bumbag. Wearing them
    with a large rucksack with a thick hipbelt is a bit more
    tricky. It's possible but not all that comfortable. Okay for
    a short walk to base camp though.

    Main problem is that they get in the way a bit if I attempt
    some scrambling. If I have room in the daysack I find it's
    better to take the cases off the belt and store them inside
    if I plan to do some serious scrambling. Carrying only one
    case is better in this instance, and they can be used on a
    long strap that goes around your neck instead if you prefer
    that to a belt.

    Paul
    --
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  3. "Richard Gosney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sadly I'm still searching for the answer to this
    question and was


    wondering

    Quoted message said:

    what others find most suitable?

    When doing the alta via 2, I tucked the camera lens between
    the waist band and the hip padding of my backpack, which
    experimentation showed kept the camera out of the way, but
    accessible [1] - and then clipped the camera strap to the
    shoulder strap with a cosmetic krab, as a safety backup
    (which proved necessary). If it rained (or snowed!), I put
    the camera away, because it wasn't going to stop raining in
    a hurry. I scraped the camera against rocks a few times, but
    this didn't really concern me - I'm never going to sell it,
    so it's just cosmetic damage. I'd suggest a lens cap which
    is attached by elastic to the camera, after I dropped my
    lens cap a metre down a cliff on a via ferrata, and had to
    unclip and downclimb to get it back when my fiancee wasn't
    watching 🙂

    On a walk in mixed weather in England, with a daypack, I
    wore the camera slung over my shoulder and resting on my
    waist. When (not if 🙂 ) it rained, I moved the camera to
    the front, and tucked it inside my coat. I did this when
    scrambling as well, to prevent scratches. Had it really
    chucked it down I'd have had to put it inside my pack for
    proper protection - though a handy plastic bag would have
    delayed the point where I decided to do that.

    Ben

    [1] I found the shorter the lens, the more secure this was
    (good, because short lens are expensive!) but the less
    accessible.

  4. Well I've only used the things you've already tried. I
    ordinarily use a LowePro mini trekker backpack, which,
    depending on the circumstances, can contain anything from
    one SLR body and one lens to 3 SLRS and lenses or 1 SLR, 1
    medium format and associated lenses, plus tripod on the back
    of the pack. Also contains the usual accessories such as
    filters, etc. blah, blah

    However, if I'm hill-walking (and wearing a regular
    backpack) I just use a LowePro belt-pack (the Off-Trail
    model), containing SLR with lens, extra lens in one side
    pocket, filters etc. in the other side pocket. If I *must*
    have the tripod with me I attach this to the back of the
    regular rucksack. I rarely take the Medium Format camera
    with me on longer treks, due to the weight and fact that I
    nearly always need a tripod to use it (so added weight).

    Both the LowePro back pack and the beltpack are fine for me,
    and I've never had problems with either, fully-loaded or
    not. As such, I'm not going to be able to recommend
    alternatives. However, I know a lot of photographers who
    swear by the LoewPro Street & Field system, using the vest
    harness as a 'base', and adding pouches and pockets to suit
    their particular requirements. Rather than the vest harness
    you can choose the deluxe waistbelt or the light belt,
    depending on your requirements. As I've always been happy
    with the 'standard' bags I've never seen the need to take
    this modular approach. Depends on your budget too; the
    modular approach does work out more expensive.

    Regards,

    Michael S

  5. "Richard Gosney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sadly I'm still searching for the answer to this
    question and was


    wondering

    Quoted message said:

    what others find most suitable?

    The answer is more philosophical than technical.

    Quoted message said:

    I have a camera backpack, which is great when I'm
    primarily out to take pictures and not walk great
    distance. The main problem with this system being that
    it's just too tempting to take more gear then is really
    necessary, but also doesn't really provide enough room for
    walking gear


    and

    Quoted message said:

    I wouldn't want my water bladder or jam butties too close
    to the cameras.

    I hear you. Thing is, camera stuff is heavy, good and
    versatile equipment is even heavier. So here's my best
    solution: DON'T CARRY IT.

    Or, to amend that, don't carry it unless you need it to take
    a picture that you KNOW will be there.

    Instead, carry a compact digital camera and a notebook on
    your day outings and use that to scout the pictures that you
    will want to come back for. Because you will not be loaded
    down you can range further and you will be able to lift your
    head to look at the view occasionally.

    I know that there will be disagreement but this is the way
    that most really good outdoor pictures get taken.

    BTW, this subject is definitely on topic!
    --
    Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net <<Tiens!
    Ce poulet a une grenade!

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Hasn't been updated for some time now so the people on the
    mugshot gallery are no longer a good representation of the
    current uk.rec.walking regulars. Some of the old regulars
    have disappeared and many new ones are not shown. There are
    still quite a few well known names in there though.

    And some of the regulars are OLD (now) :-)
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  7. Richard Gosney said:

    Sadly I'm still searching for the answer to this question
    and was wondering what others find most suitable?

    I have a camera backpack, which is great when I'm
    primarily out to take pictures and not walk great
    distance. The main problem with this system being that
    it's just too tempting to take more gear then is really
    necessary, but also doesn't really provide enough room for
    walking gear and I wouldn't want my water bladder or jam
    butties too close to the cameras.

    Bill Birkett's 'The hillwalkers's manual' (Cicerone Press)
    has a section on photography that includes a photo of a
    gentleman wearing two SLRs, one of which is 'clipped to his
    rucksack shoulder strap'.

    I've tried to do this with a much lighter digital camera
    (coolpix 995) and it seems very clumsy, so perhaps I'm
    missing something. But it does seem a good place to carry it
    if it can be held securely.

    I found a Berghaus bag called a 'dry pocket' which will hold
    a smallish camera (146x45x80mm) either clipped to webbing or
    hung from a strap. This has a roll-top closure and looks
    pretty waterproof.

    -adrian

  8. Paul Saunders said:
    Richard Gosney said:

    Sadly I'm still searching for the answer to this question
    and was wondering what others find most suitable?

    Padded belt cases/pouches or whatever they're called.

    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukpaulsaunders.html

    Eeew, you posy-personage you !! ;-)

    ...all that self-timer stuff *and* "posh" waterfall in the
    background to boot!

    Makes me think: anyone else got self-snaps? Unfortunately
    (or fortunately, depending on... etc., etc..) I don't so I
    can't reciprocate: its a bit difficult mid-climb, so to
    speak, iyswim... have I wriggled out of it yet?

    SteveO

    NE Climbers & walkers chat forum;
    thenmc.org.ukindex.php

    NMC website: thenmc.org.ukthenmc.org.uk

  9. Hello,

    I'm also looking for the same thing.

    Anyone tried one of LowePro's combination rucksacks? They
    have a bottom compartment for camera gear and a separate top
    compartment for your butties, waterproofs etc. There's the
    cheap Orion Trekker which I've looked at in Jessops, but the
    top compartment seems a bit small and there's no tripod
    holder. Anyone seen or used the more expensive Rover series?

    Cheers

    Mike

  10. In Article
    <[email hidden]>,[email hidden]

    (Michael S) said:


    However, if I'm hill-walking (and wearing a regular
    backpack) I just use a LowePro belt-pack (the Off-Trail
    model), containing SLR with lens, extra lens in one side
    pocket, filters etc. in the other side pocket.

    So you must be happy enough with the beltpack/backpack
    combination, do you do anything clever here or just fasten
    the beltpack over the waistband of the backpack? The Off-
    Road generally seems just too heavy to use the waistebelt
    alone (although clearly this is about the contents), but is
    great with the shoulder strap, but the backpack then becomes
    a problem.

    Quoted message said:

    If I *must* have the tripod with me I attach this to the
    back of the regular rucksack.

    Yep, I'm happy enough with this. If I'm using the tripod
    then its invariably worth taking a bit more time over the
    pictures anyway. Although the Off-Road will take a travelpod
    strapped underneath, which is handy.

    Quoted message said:

    However, I know a lot of photographers who swear by the
    LoewPro Street & Field system, using the vest harness as a
    'base', and adding pouches and pockets to suit their
    particular requirements. Rather than the vest harness you
    can choose the deluxe waistbelt or the light belt,
    depending on your requirements. As I've always been happy
    with the 'standard' bags I've never seen the need to take
    this modular approach. Depends on your budget too; the
    modular approach does work out more expensive.

    Interesting, I'll bear it in mind, thanks.

    Quoted message said:

    Regards,

    Michael S

  11. In Article <[email hidden]>,"Mark South"

    Quoted message said:

    I hear you. Thing is, camera stuff is heavy, good and
    versatile equipment is even heavier. So here's my best
    solution: DON'T CARRY IT.

    Or, to amend that, don't carry it unless you need it to
    take a picture that you KNOW will be there.

    Instead, carry a compact digital camera and a notebook on
    your day outings and use that to scout the pictures that
    you will want to come back for.

    Well, in fact I do carry a digital point and shoot too, for
    exactly this reason and often re-visit with the SLR, but
    I'd hate to find myself in the hills with great light and
    only have a P&S. For me carrying the SLR everywhere is
    worth the gamble.

    Quoted message said:

    I know that there will be disagreement but this is the way
    that most really good outdoor pictures get taken.

    I'd agree that most of my best shots have been well planned,
    but I do have a number in the bag that were purely
    opportunistic. I often carry gear that doesn't get used and
    curse myself for not being more ruthless, but this is soon
    forgotten. The camera has stayed at home on several
    occasions when the weather didn't look too promising, only
    to turn out perfect, leaving me to rue the shots that got
    away, these take a little longer to forget!

    Quoted message said:

    BTW, this subject is definitely on topic!

    Regards, Richard G.

  12. Michael S said:

    If I *must* have the tripod with me I attach this to the
    back of the regular rucksack.

    After many instances over the years of regretting not taking
    a tripod with me I now consider that I must *always* have a
    tripod with me (unless it's a very short walk and I'm sure I
    won't need it). The answer is a very light flimsy tripod, an
    Atlantic Alfa Q 3/R, weighing just 550g. So light I hardly
    know I'm carrying it. Too wobbly for long telephoto shots
    and it tends to fall over if I put an MF camera on it (too
    top heavy) but a godsend for emergency low light shots.

    In my experience, any walk that *might* end late may also
    produce unexpected wonderful sunset/twilight shots, no
    matter what the weather is like beforehand. Some of the
    worst days have ended with terrific sunsets.

    Paul
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  13. Ben Blaukopf said:

    When (not if 🙂 ) it rained, I moved the camera to the
    front, and tucked it inside my coat.

    I've had condensation problems when tucking a camera inside
    my fleece.

    Paul
    --
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  14. Mark South said:

    I hear you. Thing is, camera stuff is heavy, good and
    versatile equipment is even heavier. So here's my best
    solution: DON'T CARRY
    IT.

    Or, to amend that, don't carry it unless you need it to
    take a picture that you KNOW will be there.

    On the whole I disagree. Many of my best shots are of scenes
    that I didn't know would be there.. Of course, when I say
    "scenes", I really mean the weather and lighting, which is
    never the same twice. You can't go back and photograph those
    amazing clouds tomorrow. Many great shots IMO depend heavily
    on weather and lighting. You can never be 100% sure of when
    the best situations will happen, and you can never go back
    and take the same thing again.

    Those recent shots I posted from Whiteford Burrows were a
    good example. Started out as a normal sunny day, then it
    clouded over and I thought the photography was over. Then I
    got those dramatic cloud, sunset and ponies on the marsh at
    high tide shots. I didn't even know it was one of the
    highest tides of the year and that I'd be in the right place
    at the right time. But I did have my camera, and the 300mm
    zoom lens.

    Quoted message said:

    Instead, carry a compact digital camera and a notebook on
    your day outings and use that to scout the pictures that
    you will want to come back for.

    I can't agree with that. Okay, if the weather and lighting
    is dismal then maybe you've got a point, but even then,
    unexpected things can happen. I was once walking near Carreg
    Goch in atrocious November weather - gales, sleet and
    hailstones shrouded in thick dark clouds. Hardly took my
    camera out all day and when I did the photos were [censored]. But
    at one unexpected moment a hole appeared in the clouds and
    amazing rays of warm sunlight burst through lighting up one
    particular crag. It looked absolutely stunning surrounded by
    all the grey murk. You just can't plan to take photographs
    like that. Unfortunately it only lasted a few seconds so I
    failed to capture it, but I photographed it in my mind. :-)

    You're obviously thinking in terms of scenery and
    composition, but I'm thinking more in terms of weather and
    light, and weather and light are so unpredictable that you
    can't really plan those kinds of photographs. Planning works
    best with predictable weather, but predictable weather is
    usually the least dramatic. Many of my attempts at planning
    photos have met with failure, whilst many of my best photos
    have been completely unexpected and unplanned.

    Another problem with your approach is the fact that you have
    to come back. Easy enough if it's a local area, but not so
    easy if you've travelled a long way to get there. Even if
    it's not that far away, I prefer to visit different
    locations when I travel, so as to cover a wider area. There
    are many locations that I've only visited once, so I've had
    to make the best of them.

    Quoted message said:

    Because you will not be loaded down you can range further
    and you will be able to lift your head to look at the view
    occasionally.

    I understand what you're saying, and there are definitely
    days when good photos are very unlikely (although not
    impossible) but I prefer not to spend such days looking for
    photos. My current thinking is to define different types of
    walks and pack appropriately for them.

    1. Exercise walks. Typically these are done primarily for
    exercise. Typically the weather is [censored] (that includes
    the so called "wonderful" hot hazy summer weather that
    is totally naff for photography) with very little
    chance of improvement. Usually I will choose an area
    which isn't particularly scenic, so that the lack of
    good lighting won't bother me since there won't be
    anything decent to photograph anyway. These are the
    days when it's best to travel light. A digital compact
    is ideal, but preferably a decent digital compact and
    with some form of support (light tripod, beanbag etc.)
    just in case. Currently I'll take my 300D but a Pro1
    would be better.

    2. Normal walks. These are done primarily for the sake of
    having a good walk. They involve some distance and good
    scenery, and the weather is usually reasonable to good.
    There are photo opportunities but I don't want to spend
    too much time over them since walking is the main goal.
    For these walks I carry medium weight photo gear,
    sufficient to take good photos but not heavy enough to
    affect the walking. Current ideal gear is the 300D, 18-
    55mm & 55-200mm digital lenses (all very light) plus the
    lightweight tripod & bean bag.

    3. Photo walks. These are aimed at photography, with
    specific locations and compositions in mind. The
    distance involved is usually quite short, but not
    always, depending on how accessible the location
    is. The weather must of course be suitable (if not
    necessary "good" - suitable weather for waterfalls is
    overcast IMO). Very often these walks are done very
    early in the morning or late in the evening, to take
    advantage of the best light, but may be done in
    whatever circumstances are appropriate - gale force
    winds for example. For these walks plenty of gear is
    taken, multiple cameras, heavy lenses, decent tripod
    etc. However, depending on distance and difficulty of
    terrain, equipment carried will be modified to suit.
    Carrying a heavy tripod and MF gear a few hundred flat
    yards to photograph Worms Head is no big deal, but the
    weather would have to be particularly good to make we
    want to lug that lot up to the top of Tryfan.

    Similar considerations apply for backpacking trips. Wild
    base camps are ideal for "photo camping trips".

    Quoted message said:

    I know that there will be disagreement but this is the way
    that most really good outdoor pictures get taken.

    Not necessarily. Yours maybe, but not mine. The thing is,
    we're all individuals, we have different preferences, we buy
    different equipment and we have different working methods.
    What works for one person may not work for another. There is
    no single right or wrong way to do things. Variety is good,
    that's how different photographers produce different types
    of photos.

    My philosophy (belief?) is that it's theoretically possible
    to take good photographs in almost any weather and lighting
    condition, provided you choose appropriate subject matter
    (crashing waves in gales, waterfalls during torrential rain,
    strange rock formations in mist and so on). Even darkness
    doesn't prevent you taking photographs.

    Since I believe that good photos are always possible, and
    that weather and lighting are often more important than
    subject matter, that gives me a good reason to carry good
    photo gear at all times. However, that's not to say that I
    always want to carry it all, sometimes I just want to go out
    for a walk and I'm not too fussed about taking photos.

    For me the bottom line is that I should always carry a
    camera capable of taking high quality pictures, and some
    form of support for slow shutter speeds. Ideally this will
    mean a good digital compact (like the Pro1) and a mini
    tripod at the very least.

    Paul
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  15. "Ben Blaukopf" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    On a walk in mixed weather in England, with a daypack, I
    wore the camera slung over my shoulder and resting on my
    waist. When (not if 🙂 ) it rained, I moved the camera to
    the front, and tucked it inside my coat. I did this when
    scrambling as well, to prevent scratches. Had it really
    chucked it down I'd have had to put it inside my pack for
    proper protection - though a handy plastic bag would have
    delayed the point where I decided to do that.

    Did you find you had problems with condensation forming on
    the camera when you tucked it inside your coat?

    --
    Brian

  16. Steve Orrell said:

    Eeew, you posy-personage you !! ;-)

    ...all that self-timer stuff *and* "posh" waterfall in the
    background to boot!

    I didn't use a self timer, I used an infrared remote! :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Makes me think: anyone else got self-snaps?

    There's quite a few on my uk.rec.walkers mugshot gallery.
    wilderness-wales.co.ukmg.html

    Hasn't been updated for some time now so the people on the
    mugshot gallery are no longer a good representation of the
    current uk.rec.walking regulars. Some of the old regulars
    have disappeared and many new ones are not shown. There are
    still quite a few well known names in there though.

    A note to those who've sent me mugshots since the last
    update. Sorry I haven't added them, I've been unable to
    access my site for some time now. This should be rectified
    shortly though, once I decide which webhost to switch to.

    Once I do get a new webhost sorted, the "new" regulars are
    welcome to send me their pics to bring the page up to date.

    Paul
    --
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  17. In Article said:

    Anyone tried one of LowePro's combination rucksacks? They
    have a bottom compartment for camera gear and a separate
    top compartment for your butties, waterproofs etc. There's
    the cheap Orion Trekker which I've looked at in Jessops,
    but the top compartment seems a bit small and there's no
    tripod holder. Anyone seen or used the more expensive
    Rover series?

    Maybe the Orion AW would be worth a look, larger camera and
    rucksack compartments and the tripod holder you're after?
    Biggest problem for me is that it all had to come off your
    back just to size up a shot.

    Regards, Richard G.

  18. In Article said:

    Makes me think: anyone else got self-snaps?

    Worryingly this is my PC wallpaper at the moment, although
    the missus is behind the camera.
    www.gosney.plus.com/PICT0035d.jpg

    Looking towards Bleaklow from Worm Stones, which I'm
    fortunate enough to find just over a mile from my house.

    Regards, Richard G.

  19. Richard Gosney said:

    So you must be happy enough with the beltpack/backpack
    combination, do you do anything clever here or just fasten
    the beltpack over the waistband of the backpack?

    I don't like attaching the camera bags to the rucksack, I
    prefer a separate belt. Often when I stop to take a few
    photos I'll take the rucksack off while I wander around
    taking shots.

    Paul
    --
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  20. Richard Gosney said:

    Well, in fact I do carry a digital point and shoot too,
    for exactly this reason and often re-visit with the SLR,
    but I'd hate to find myself in the hills with great light
    and only have a P&S. For me carrying the SLR everywhere is
    worth the gamble.

    Absolutely!

    Quoted message said:

    I'd agree that most of my best shots have been well
    planned, but I do have a number in the bag that were
    purely opportunistic.

    Most of mine haven't been well planned. I eventually
    changed my philosophy from "planning" photos to "searching"
    for photos. If you go to a scenic area in interesting
    lighting conditions it's dead easy to find good photos.
    Even in non scenic areas in [censored] lighting it's still quite
    possible to find good photos if you look hard enough. For
    me, searching is half the fun, and very often it's the
    unpredictable weather which gives the best results, i.e.
    "changeable" weather.

    Quoted message said:

    I often carry gear that doesn't get used and curse myself
    for not being more ruthless, but this is soon forgotten.

    I've never cursed myself for carrying it. I *might* have
    needed it.

    Quoted message said:

    The camera has stayed at home on several occasions when
    the weather didn't look too promising, only to turn out
    perfect, leaving me to rue the shots that got away, these
    take a little longer to forget!

    But at least they still exist in your mind... :-)

    Paul
    --
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