OT..Stroke Identification..Important Info..

Bigbazza said:

A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours

he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He said the trick

was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed an getting to the patient within

3 hours which is tough.

Let me clarify: The ideal stroke plan is that a patient is seen and gets
a CT within 60 minutes of arrival in ER to determine the type of stroke
if a stroke at all?
The neurologist you mention surely said that *some* patients with
ischemic strokes (clots, emboli) can be helped with the clot busting
drugs we have at our disposal now. These drugs are given withen three
hours onset of symptoms (not arrival in the ER). Not everyone is a
candidate for this treatment, nor will everyone be "reversed" totally.
Hemorrhagic (bleed) strokes most certainly ARE NOT treated this same way.
Aprox. 70% of strokes are ischemic, 30% hemorrhagic.
Gooomba

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Bigbazza said:

A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours

he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He said the trick

was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed an getting to the patient within

3 hours which is tough.

Let me clarify: The ideal stroke plan is that a patient is seen and gets a CT
within 60 minutes of arrival in ER to determine the type of stroke if a stroke
at all?
The neurologist you mention surely said that *some* patients with ischemic
strokes (clots, emboli) can be helped with the clot busting drugs we have at
our disposal now. These drugs are given withen three hours onset of symptoms
(not arrival in the ER). Not everyone is a candidate for this treatment, nor
will everyone be "reversed" totally.
Hemorrhagic (bleed) strokes most certainly ARE NOT treated this same way.
Aprox. 70% of strokes are ischemic, 30% hemorrhagic.
Gooomba

In addition quite often the person having the stroke is usually the second
person to notice something is drastically wrong. With certain types of stroke
there is little or no pain. Pay attention to the people around you if they
start acting a little strange or have muscle problems.

Read http://www.hoax-slayer.com/identify-stroke.html

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I am forwarding this message on to the folk I know as it is good to know
and
remember !

Bigbazza.(Barry)..Oz

I received this e-mail this morning from a friend and I have decided to
post
it. Who knows, one of us might have to deal with a similar situation.

Lorraine

STROKE IDENTIFICATION:

During a BBQ a friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured

everyone that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just

tripped over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and

got her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid

went about enjoying herself the rest of the evening.

Ingrid's husband called later telling everyone that his wife had been
taken

to the hospital - (at 6:00pm, Ingrid passed away.)

She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known how to identify the

signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us today. It only takes a

minute to read this-

Recognizing a Stroke

A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours

he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He said the
trick

was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed an getting to the patient
within

3 hours which is tough.

RECOGNIZING A STROKE

Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn!Many

times symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify.

Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke victim

may suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize the symptoms
of
a

stroke.

Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three simple

questions:

1. *Ask the individual to SMILE.

2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS.

3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. . . It is

sunny out today)

If he or she has trouble with any of these tasks, call 9-1-1 immediately

and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher.

After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could identify

facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems, researchers urged the

general public to learn the three questions.

They presented their conclusions at the American Stroke Association's

annual meeting last February. Widespread use of this test could result in
prompt

diagnosis and treatment of the stroke and prevent brain damage.

A cardiologist says if everyone who gets this e-mail sends it to 10

people;

you can bet that at least one life will be saved.

BE A FRIEND AND SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH AS MANY FRIENDS AS POSSIBLE, you

could save their lives

"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Read http://www.hoax-slayer.com/identify-stroke.html

"Bigbazza" <bigbazza@INVALID_ADDY.net> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I am forwarding this message on to the folk I know as it is good to know
and
remember !

Bigbazza.(Barry)..Oz

I received this e-mail this morning from a friend and I have decided to
post
it. Who knows, one of us might have to deal with a similar situation.

Lorraine

STROKE IDENTIFICATION:

During a BBQ a friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured

everyone that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just

tripped over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up
and

got her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid

went about enjoying herself the rest of the evening.

Ingrid's husband called later telling everyone that his wife had been
taken

to the hospital - (at 6:00pm, Ingrid passed away.)

She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known how to identify the

signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us today. It only takes a

minute to read this-

Recognizing a Stroke

A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours

he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He said the
trick

was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed an getting to the patient
within

3 hours which is tough.

RECOGNIZING A STROKE

Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn!Many

times symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify.

Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke victim

may suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize the symptoms
of
a

stroke.

Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three simple

questions:

1. *Ask the individual to SMILE.

2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS.

3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. . . It
is

sunny out today)

If he or she has trouble with any of these tasks, call 9-1-1 immediately

and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher.

After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could identify

facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems, researchers urged the

general public to learn the three questions.

They presented their conclusions at the American Stroke Association's

annual meeting last February. Widespread use of this test could result in
prompt

diagnosis and treatment of the stroke and prevent brain damage.

A cardiologist says if everyone who gets this e-mail sends it to 10

people;

you can bet that at least one life will be saved.

BE A FRIEND AND SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH AS MANY FRIENDS AS POSSIBLE, you

could save their lives

Yes..MG...I did look at it...BUT..Did 'YOU' look at it ??...The Status say's
that it is TRUE !!....Have a look again ! :-))
--
Bigbazza (Barry)..Oz

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Read http://www.hoax-slayer.com/identify-stroke.html

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I am forwarding this message on to the folk I know as it is good to know
and
remember !

snip snip...

yes bazza, I did, and what I thought (and the site states) was relevant was
not that it was incorrect, but that it was INCOMPLETE...someone could
actually be having a CVA, and make a potentially dangerous decision based on
NOT having the three listed symptoms/signs, and hence delay treatment.

that's why I don't think it should be widely distributed...but that's just
my opinion :-)

MG

OB: food - had homemade quiche tonight, made by a friend, but like no other
quiche I've ever tried...basic recipe is beaten eggs, grated cheese, bacon
pieces, some spices/flavourings, and a sachet(?) of that pastry case in a
box stuff (where all you add is water to get a short crust pastry) all
whisked together, poured into dish (lasagna or roast type dish) and cooked.

texture not too bad, flavour good, but it fills you up quickly...must be all
that flour or shortening or whatever in the dry mix

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"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Read http://www.hoax-slayer.com/identify-stroke.html

"Bigbazza" <bigbazza@INVALID_ADDY.net> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I am forwarding this message on to the folk I know as it is good to know
and
remember !

snip snip...

yes bazza, I did, and what I thought (and the site states) was relevant was
not that it was incorrect, but that it was INCOMPLETE...someone could
actually be having a CVA, and make a potentially dangerous decision based on
NOT having the three listed symptoms/signs, and hence delay treatment.

that's why I don't think it should be widely distributed...but that's just
my opinion :-)

MG

OB: food - had homemade quiche tonight, made by a friend, but like no other
quiche I've ever tried...basic recipe is beaten eggs, grated cheese, bacon
pieces, some spices/flavourings, and a sachet(?) of that pastry case in a
box stuff (where all you add is water to get a short crust pastry) all
whisked together, poured into dish (lasagna or roast type dish) and cooked.

texture not too bad, flavour good, but it fills you up quickly...must be all
that flour or shortening or whatever in the dry mix

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Quoted message said:

"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Read http://www.hoax-slayer.com/identify-stroke.html

"Bigbazza" <bigbazza@INVALID_ADDY.net> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I am forwarding this message on to the folk I know as it is good to know
and
remember !

snip snip...

yes bazza, I did, and what I thought (and the site states) was relevant was
not that it was incorrect, but that it was INCOMPLETE...someone could
actually be having a CVA, and make a potentially dangerous decision based on
NOT having the three listed symptoms/signs, and hence delay treatment.

that's why I don't think it should be widely distributed...but that's just
my opinion :-)

MG

OB: food - had homemade quiche tonight, made by a friend, but like no other
quiche I've ever tried...basic recipe is beaten eggs, grated cheese, bacon
pieces, some spices/flavourings, and a sachet(?) of that pastry case in a
box stuff (where all you add is water to get a short crust pastry) all
whisked together, poured into dish (lasagna or roast type dish) and cooked.

texture not too bad, flavour good, but it fills you up quickly...must be all
that flour or shortening or whatever in the dry mix

"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Bigbazza" <bigbazza@INVALID_ADDY.net> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Read http://www.hoax-slayer.com/identify-stroke.html

"Bigbazza" <bigbazza@INVALID_ADDY.net> wrote in message
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>I am forwarding this message on to the folk I know as it is good to know
>and
> remember !

snip snip...

yes bazza, I did, and what I thought (and the site states) was relevant
was not that it was incorrect, but that it was INCOMPLETE...someone could
actually be having a CVA, and make a potentially dangerous decision based
on NOT having the three listed symptoms/signs, and hence delay treatment.

that's why I don't think it should be widely distributed...but that's just
my opinion :-)

MG

OB: food - had homemade quiche tonight, made by a friend, but like no
other quiche I've ever tried...basic recipe is beaten eggs, grated cheese,
bacon pieces, some spices/flavourings, and a sachet(?) of that pastry case
in a box stuff (where all you add is water to get a short crust pastry)
all whisked together, poured into dish (lasagna or roast type dish) and
cooked.

texture not too bad, flavour good, but it fills you up quickly...must be
all that flour or shortening or whatever in the dry mix

That's OK...MG...You certainly have a point there !
--
Bigbazza (Barry)..Oz

"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Mejf.7503> yes
bazza, I did, and what I thought (and the site states) was relevant was

Quoted message said:

not that it was incorrect, but that it was INCOMPLETE...someone could
actually be having a CVA, and make a potentially dangerous decision
based on NOT having the three listed symptoms/signs, and hence delay
treatment.

that's why I don't think it should be widely distributed...but that's
just my opinion :-)

It is incomplete, but at least there are some things to look for which I
suppose is better than nothing. It also makes people aware that if
someone does fall over there might be something else going on, so it
certainly wasn't a waste of time

"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Mejf.7503> yes
bazza, I did, and what I thought (and the site states) was relevant was

Quoted message said:

not that it was incorrect, but that it was INCOMPLETE...someone could
actually be having a CVA, and make a potentially dangerous decision
based on NOT having the three listed symptoms/signs, and hence delay
treatment.

that's why I don't think it should be widely distributed...but that's
just my opinion :-)

It is incomplete, but at least there are some things to look for which I
suppose is better than nothing. It also makes people aware that if
someone does fall over there might be something else going on, so it
certainly wasn't a waste of time

In some respects that's true Ophelia, but it's been my experience that "the
public" tend to read these types of items, whether they're on the 'net or in
the news, as black and white; either the symptoms are there, and that's bad,
or they're not there, and that's good

A good example was the old gentleman I treated a while back,. who had read
in a magazine (a fairly reputable one, that includes a mix of human
interest, humorous and other anecdotes", where he'd read that taking an
aspirin if you had chest pain or angina was a good thing as studies had
shown it to prevent further damage to heart muscle. Problem was, he ONLY
took aspirin one day when having severe angina, and not the anginine tablets
he was supposed to use. He also waited several hours with the pain before
calling an ambulance, as he thought the aspirin would also act as a pain
killer (after all, that's what it does, doesn't it?)

That's the only reason I made the comments above...I suppose it all comes
back to the old adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

MG

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"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Mejf.7503> yes
bazza, I did, and what I thought (and the site states) was relevant
was

Quoted message said:

not that it was incorrect, but that it was INCOMPLETE...someone
could
actually be having a CVA, and make a potentially dangerous decision
based on NOT having the three listed symptoms/signs, and hence delay
treatment.

that's why I don't think it should be widely distributed...but
that's
just my opinion :-)

It is incomplete, but at least there are some things to look for
which I
suppose is better than nothing. It also makes people aware that if
someone does fall over there might be something else going on, so it
certainly wasn't a waste of time

In some respects that's true Ophelia, but it's been my experience that
"the public" tend to read these types of items, whether they're on the
'net or in the news, as black and white; either the symptoms are
there, and that's bad, or they're not there, and that's good

A good example was the old gentleman I treated a while back,. who had
read in a magazine (a fairly reputable one, that includes a mix of
human interest, humorous and other anecdotes", where he'd read that
taking an aspirin if you had chest pain or angina was a good thing as
studies had shown it to prevent further damage to heart muscle.
Problem was, he ONLY took aspirin one day when having severe angina,
and not the anginine tablets he was supposed to use. He also waited
several hours with the pain before calling an ambulance, as he thought
the aspirin would also act as a pain killer (after all, that's what it
does, doesn't it?)

Oh heavens🙁

Quoted message said:

That's the only reason I made the comments above...I suppose it all
comes back to the old adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

True, especially in that case, but my point is that making people
generally aware is a good thing. We can't turn everyone into doctors,
but if they know at least to keep an eye out for some things out of the
ordinary, some lives might be saved. If the friends of the woman that
died outlined by the OP had even some idea of possible problems, who
knows.. she might have been saved. Given that, I think the post was
useful, because at least *some* things were outlined even if incomplete.
Would I be right in thinking that in most cases there would be more
evidence of stroke which would cause alarm?

Personally I would never have thought of stroke in that situation. At
least now it would occur to me that it might be a possibility.

"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Mejf.7503> yes
bazza, I did, and what I thought (and the site states) was relevant was

Quoted message said:

not that it was incorrect, but that it was INCOMPLETE...someone could
actually be having a CVA, and make a potentially dangerous decision
based on NOT having the three listed symptoms/signs, and hence delay
treatment.

that's why I don't think it should be widely distributed...but that's
just my opinion :-)

It is incomplete, but at least there are some things to look for which I
suppose is better than nothing. It also makes people aware that if
someone does fall over there might be something else going on, so it
certainly wasn't a waste of time

In some respects that's true Ophelia, but it's been my experience that
"the public" tend to read these types of items, whether they're on the
'net or in the news, as black and white; either the symptoms are there,
and that's bad, or they're not there, and that's good

A good example was the old gentleman I treated a while back,. who had read
in a magazine (a fairly reputable one, that includes a mix of human
interest, humorous and other anecdotes", where he'd read that taking an
aspirin if you had chest pain or angina was a good thing as studies had
shown it to prevent further damage to heart muscle. Problem was, he ONLY
took aspirin one day when having severe angina, and not the anginine
tablets he was supposed to use. He also waited several hours with the pain
before calling an ambulance, as he thought the aspirin would also act as a
pain killer (after all, that's what it does, doesn't it?)

That's the only reason I made the comments above...I suppose it all comes
back to the old adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

MG

Though ...Better some Knowledge than none at all...MG !!
--
Bigbazza (Barry)..Oz

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"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Mejf.7503> yes
bazza, I did, and what I thought (and the site states) was relevant was
> not that it was incorrect, but that it was INCOMPLETE...someone could
> actually be having a CVA, and make a potentially dangerous decision
> based on NOT having the three listed symptoms/signs, and hence delay
> treatment.
>
> that's why I don't think it should be widely distributed...but that's
> just my opinion :-)

It is incomplete, but at least there are some things to look for which I
suppose is better than nothing. It also makes people aware that if
someone does fall over there might be something else going on, so it
certainly wasn't a waste of time

In some respects that's true Ophelia, but it's been my experience that
"the public" tend to read these types of items, whether they're on the
'net or in the news, as black and white; either the symptoms are there,
and that's bad, or they're not there, and that's good

A good example was the old gentleman I treated a while back,. who had
read in a magazine (a fairly reputable one, that includes a mix of human
interest, humorous and other anecdotes", where he'd read that taking an
aspirin if you had chest pain or angina was a good thing as studies had
shown it to prevent further damage to heart muscle. Problem was, he ONLY
took aspirin one day when having severe angina, and not the anginine
tablets he was supposed to use. He also waited several hours with the
pain before calling an ambulance, as he thought the aspirin would also
act as a pain killer (after all, that's what it does, doesn't it?)

That's the only reason I made the comments above...I suppose it all comes
back to the old adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

MG

Though ...Better some Knowledge than none at all...MG !!
--
Bigbazza (Barry)..Oz

in the end, I suppose so, having seen what total ignorance of even simple
health-related things can do

MG...who is also in Oz :-)

"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Ophelia" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Mejf.7503> yes
bazza, I did, and what I thought (and the site states) was relevant
was
> not that it was incorrect, but that it was INCOMPLETE...someone
> could
> actually be having a CVA, and make a potentially dangerous decision
> based on NOT having the three listed symptoms/signs, and hence delay
> treatment.
>
> that's why I don't think it should be widely distributed...but
> that's
> just my opinion :-)

It is incomplete, but at least there are some things to look for
which I
suppose is better than nothing. It also makes people aware that if
someone does fall over there might be something else going on, so it
certainly wasn't a waste of time

In some respects that's true Ophelia, but it's been my experience that
"the public" tend to read these types of items, whether they're on the
'net or in the news, as black and white; either the symptoms are
there, and that's bad, or they're not there, and that's good

A good example was the old gentleman I treated a while back,. who had
read in a magazine (a fairly reputable one, that includes a mix of
human interest, humorous and other anecdotes", where he'd read that
taking an aspirin if you had chest pain or angina was a good thing as
studies had shown it to prevent further damage to heart muscle.
Problem was, he ONLY took aspirin one day when having severe angina,
and not the anginine tablets he was supposed to use. He also waited
several hours with the pain before calling an ambulance, as he thought
the aspirin would also act as a pain killer (after all, that's what it
does, doesn't it?)

Oh heavens🙁

Quoted message said:

That's the only reason I made the comments above...I suppose it all
comes back to the old adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

True, especially in that case, but my point is that making people
generally aware is a good thing. We can't turn everyone into doctors,
but if they know at least to keep an eye out for some things out of the
ordinary, some lives might be saved. If the friends of the woman that
died outlined by the OP had even some idea of possible problems, who
knows.. she might have been saved. Given that, I think the post was
useful, because at least *some* things were outlined even if incomplete.
Would I be right in thinking that in most cases there would be more
evidence of stroke which would cause alarm?

Personally I would never have thought of stroke in that situation. At
least now it would occur to me that it might be a possibility.

true Ophelia...and yes, other things may cause alarm, but sometimes the
onset of a stroke can be a simple as having a sudden onset headache (how
many of THOSE do we all have? lol), an episode of dizziness (ditto) or some
other fairly innocuous symptom, to more obvious ones such as seizures,
sudden paralysis, collapse, or other.

I guess the moral of the story is...if it's abnormal for the person, get it
investigated! and soon, especially if the person has other risk factors such
as older aged, high blood pressure, cardiac conditions, high cholesterol,
smoking, drinking excessively, clotting disorders, etc, or previous 'odd or
weird' short lived symptoms such as the innocuous ones above, or other more
obvious ones

MG

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true Ophelia...and yes, other things may cause alarm, but sometimes
the

onset of a stroke can be a simple as having a sudden onset headache
(how many of THOSE do we all have? lol), an episode of dizziness
(ditto) or some other fairly innocuous symptom, to more obvious ones
such as seizures, sudden paralysis, collapse, or other.

I guess the moral of the story is...if it's abnormal for the person,
get it investigated! and soon, especially if the person has other risk
factors such as older aged, high blood pressure, cardiac conditions,
high cholesterol, smoking, drinking excessively, clotting disorders,
etc, or previous 'odd or weird' short lived symptoms such as the
innocuous ones above, or other more obvious ones

If we take the factors you list into account, and given one can't call
in medical help for such things as sudden onset headache, (I don't know
about USA but certainly no Doctor here in UK would visit for a headache)
what checks should a non medical person do in such an event?

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>
> "MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Mejf.7503> yes
> bazza, I did, and what I thought (and the site states) was relevant was
>> not that it was incorrect, but that it was INCOMPLETE...someone could
>> actually be having a CVA, and make a potentially dangerous decision
>> based on NOT having the three listed symptoms/signs, and hence delay
>> treatment.
>>
>> that's why I don't think it should be widely distributed...but that's
>> just my opinion :-)
>
> It is incomplete, but at least there are some things to look for which
> I
> suppose is better than nothing. It also makes people aware that if
> someone does fall over there might be something else going on, so it
> certainly wasn't a waste of time
>
>
>

In some respects that's true Ophelia, but it's been my experience that
"the public" tend to read these types of items, whether they're on the
'net or in the news, as black and white; either the symptoms are there,
and that's bad, or they're not there, and that's good

A good example was the old gentleman I treated a while back,. who had
read in a magazine (a fairly reputable one, that includes a mix of human
interest, humorous and other anecdotes", where he'd read that taking an
aspirin if you had chest pain or angina was a good thing as studies had
shown it to prevent further damage to heart muscle. Problem was, he ONLY
took aspirin one day when having severe angina, and not the anginine
tablets he was supposed to use. He also waited several hours with the
pain before calling an ambulance, as he thought the aspirin would also
act as a pain killer (after all, that's what it does, doesn't it?)

That's the only reason I made the comments above...I suppose it all
comes back to the old adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

MG

Though ...Better some Knowledge than none at all...MG !!
--
Bigbazza (Barry)..Oz

in the end, I suppose so, having seen what total ignorance of even simple
health-related things can do

MG...who is also in Oz :-)

I had noticed from your IP No that you were with Telstra (Bigpond) in
Australia !...From what part do you come from ??..I am from The Upper North
Shore in Sydney !!
--
Bigbazza (Barry)..Oz

"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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yes bazza, I did, and what I thought (and the site states) was relevant was
not that it was incorrect, but that it was INCOMPLETE...someone could actually
be having a CVA, and make a potentially dangerous decision based on NOT having
the three listed symptoms/signs, and hence delay treatment.

that's why I don't think it should be widely distributed...but that's just my
opinion :-)

MG

And with NO knowledge what are the options? Wait until paralysis set in?

I think this is a case where some knowledge is better than none. At the very
least if the symptoms described do present themselves there is at the very least
a trip to the ER or a 911 call.

Dimitri

In article <[email hidden]>,

MG said:

true Ophelia...and yes, other things may cause alarm, but sometimes the
onset of a stroke can be a simple as having a sudden onset headache (how
many of THOSE do we all have? lol), an episode of dizziness (ditto) or some
other fairly innocuous symptom, to more obvious ones such as seizures,
sudden paralysis, collapse, or other.

I guess the moral of the story is...if it's abnormal for the person, get it
investigated! and soon, especially if the person has other risk factors such
as older aged, high blood pressure, cardiac conditions, high cholesterol,
smoking, drinking excessively, clotting disorders, etc, or previous 'odd or
weird' short lived symptoms such as the innocuous ones above, or other more
obvious ones

This is a subject that's very close to me. My mom had a mild stroke
several years ago and I had a stroke about 13 months ago. I can tell you
my experience from a year ago when I mad a very minor stroke. I began to
display stroke symptoms after one Monday morning shortly before a
scheduled doctor's appointment. I noticed that I had trouble typing and
walking. I felt drunk even though I was not drinking. Taking a shower
was a major challenge, but I did it. I was awake the past few nights
with the worse cold I had in years so I just assumed I was very
fatigued. The fact that I had a lot of pressure at work didn't help
either.

I was able to drive the quarter mile or so to my doctor's office, no
problem, although I usually walk. I figured I would ask my doctor about
what was happening to me since I already had an appointment to treat me
for my cold. Being as though I live alone, I did not realize my speech
was impaired until I got to my doctor's office and signed in. This is
when I found out that the right side of my face was droopy. I also
discovered that I could barely write my own name! This is when I got
very nervous!

My doctor was away at a convention, but his assistant saw me. The nurse
at the front desk could see something was wrong, so the usual 15 minute
wait in the waiting room was reduced to a minute or two. The physician's
assistant conducted all the tests that were listed in the OP's article.
She also asked me if I had any trouble seeing (double vision) or head
aches. I had none of those other symptoms. My BP was quickly taken and
the systolic it was very high even though I had taken a blood pressure
pill an hour or two earlier. While this was going on, an ambulance was
called and my parents were notified.

I was given a choice of hospitals, so I picked Kennedy Hospital near my
home in New Jersey where I knew the parking would be easy because I
figured I would have a lot of visitors. I received a CAT scan right
away, but it didn't show any abnormalities, so I received an MRI. I was
okay enough and inquisitive enough to ask the MRI person to demonstrate
the technology to me, which she willingly did. The neurologist who
happened to be the ER doctor at the time didn't see anything wrong with
the MRI.

Other than my slurred speech, trouble walking and writing, and that
damned cold, I felt fine. The ER staff allowed me to use my cell phone
so I called my folks and I told them i was okay. They live nearby, but
their only car was in the shop so I told them they might was well sit
tight at home. I called a couple of friends too and I played a game on
my Palm Pilot while I waited and waited and waited.

At around 4:00pm, I was transferred by ambulance to Jefferson Hospital
in Philly where they have an acute stroke center. The care I received at
both hospitals was impressive. At least two neurologists at Jefferson
studied my MRI and CAT scan. After a couple of days, they figured out
what was wrong and I was released to my parents' care. I spent the
better part of three weeks doing nothing but sleeping. And the rest is
history.

"Stan Horwitz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"MG" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

At around 4:00pm, I was transferred by ambulance to Jefferson Hospital
in Philly where they have an acute stroke center. The care I received at
both hospitals was impressive. At least two neurologists at Jefferson
studied my MRI and CAT scan. After a couple of days, they figured out
what was wrong and I was released to my parents' care. I spent the
better part of three weeks doing nothing but sleeping. And the rest is
history.

Stan,

The rest may not be "history"as you call it. How much Physical Therapy , Speech
Therapy, Occupational Therapy , and education did you have to have?

How much residual damage if any?

Have you changed your lifestyle?

Dimitri