OT: Slightly less patriotism

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There seem to be fewer England flags around: I saw only one
car decked out on my commute this lunchtime, and another
this afternoon. I can't understand it: England won the
series three-nil yesterday, with Thorpe scoring an unbeaten
century. Where have all the fans gone? ;-)

Embarrased after losing 36-3 to the All Blacks? ;-)

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There seem to be fewer England flags around: I saw only
one car decked out on my commute this lunchtime, and
another this afternoon.

As they're so flimsy, they've started detaching themselves
from the cars - I've seen 2 lying on the side of the road in
the last 24 hours, and I'm expecting to see them in varying
states of decay for the next 12 months or so.

Mark

On 14 Jun 2004 18:24:33 +0100 (BST), [email hidden] (Alan

Braggins) said:

Embarrased after losing 36-3 to the All Blacks? ;-)

That was the match I was more intersted in :-)

James

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There seem to be fewer England flags around: I saw only
one car decked out on my commute this lunchtime, and
another this afternoon.

Because of the France v England score?

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There seem to be fewer England flags around: I saw only
one car decked out on my commute this lunchtime, and
another this afternoon.

Is that anything to do with the France?England score? Iain

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There seem to be fewer England flags around: I saw
only one car decked out on my commute this lunchtime,
and another this afternoon.

Because of the France v England score?

Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports
superstore' and asking for a French flag?

DG

On 15/6/04 10:38 pm, in article
[email hidden], "DG"

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Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports
superstore' and asking for a French flag?

Probably plenty for sale up here.

The local neds still wear Argentine football shirts after
the last English fiasco.

Looking out now for French football jerseys in the locality.

..d

Mark McN said:

There seem to be fewer England flags around: I saw only
one car decked (The woman in the corner-shop sternly told
me yesterday I should be flying the England flag on the
bent, instead of the nice pennant provided by AVD. It goes
without saying that I turned on my heel with dignity, and
hit her with a roll of Happy Shopper binbags.)

I now have a 3 foot England flag on the flag pole of my
trike. Its quite fun and nice in a way, though I see a lot
fewer cars with them here, so am starting to feel a little
more alone with it. I think it does increase the visibility
of the trike though - less chance of a SMIDSY. Also drag is
surprisingly not too noticable, at least at the speeds I've
been with it so far.

The only problem is that after only a couple of miles its
starting to pull apart at the top eyelet - so much for
quality. Could be that the top is held tight to the pole
with a cable tie.

Its too big for anything but quiet road or cycle lane use.
Whether it goes out with me to my karate lesson on Thursday
depends on what the result is of that game, and whether or
not I know the result of that game by the time I leave the
house. Thursday nights tend to be straight home from work,
get changed, go out again, so no time to watch football.

- Richard

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Reply to DG

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Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports
superstore' and asking for a French flag?

If you can't find one, you could make do with the heraldic
device for Eleanor of Aquitaine, who brought it with her
from France when she married Henry II: it's three lions on a
shield. ;-)

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squeak, We like to see him biting fingers in his horny beak.

On 16/6/04 12:18 am, in article [email hidden], "Mark

McN said:

Reply to DG

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Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports
superstore' and asking for a French flag?

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If you can't find one, you could make do with the heraldic
device for Eleanor of Aquitaine, who brought it with her
from France when she married Henry II: it's three lions on
a shield. ;-)

Are they lions or lepoards? I thought the 'three lions' were
in heraldic terms not lions at all. It is the scots who (by
the grace of henry V) fly the lion rampant (but technically
can only do so as a hand flag, not on a flag pole).

..d

DG said:

Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports
superstore' and asking for a French flag?

No but one of the receptionists here at the Nut Mines has
taken to adding "Allez la France" to e-mails. She /is/
French, though, which explains why she has not yet been shot
and burned.

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Reply to David Martin

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Are they lions or lepoards? I thought the 'three lions'
were in heraldic terms not lions at all.=20
=20

I think I heard something of the sort, so (having a morning
off) I've=20 just googled:
____
It is sometimes stated that only a rampant lion can be
described as a=20 lion in heraldry and that lions in any
other position should be called=20 leopards. This was the
opinion of some French heralds (who should have=20 got out
more) in the early middle ages, but it has no place in
modern=20 English heraldry. The leopard has become a quite
widely used charge in=20 its own right since the European
colonisation of Africa and to insist=20 on such an outr=E9
usage would only confuse.
____

so maybe (as with so many things in life) it may depend
on how far=20 back you go, how pedantic heraldry gets,
&c. &c. =20

Apparently the three Royal lions were all more-or-less
French in=20 origin, the first two being brought over by the
Normans, and the third=20 added in honour of Eleanor of
Aquitaine. But my knowledge of=20 heraldry is more or less
limited to what I've learnt in the last ten=20 minutes, so
I'd better shut up.

--=20 Mark, UK. We hope to hear him swear, we love to
hear him squeak, We like to see him biting fingers in his
horny beak.

David Martin said:

On 16/6/04 12:18 am, in article
[email hidden], "Mark McN"

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Reply to DG

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Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports
superstore' and asking for a French flag?

Quoted message said:

If you can't find one, you could make do with the
heraldic device for Eleanor of Aquitaine, who brought it
with her from France when she married Henry II: it's
three lions on a shield. ;-)

Are they lions or lepoards? I thought the 'three lions'
were in heraldic terms not lions at all.

Definitely lions.

"Gules three lions passant guardant in pale or."

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United_Kingdom

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It is the scots who (by the grace of henry V) fly the lion
rampant (but technically can only do so as a hand flag,
not on a flag pole).

The heraldic device "Or a lion rampant gules within a double
tressure flory counterflory gules." is the Royal Standard of
Scotland, and can be flown only by a few Great Officers who
officially represent The Sovereign.

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Mike K Smith said:

David Martin said:

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It is the scots who (by the grace of henry V) fly the
lion rampant (but technically can only do so as a hand
flag, not on a flag pole).

The heraldic device "Or a lion rampant gules within a
double tressure flory counterflory gules." is the Royal
Standard of Scotland, and can be flown only by a few Great
Officers who officially represent The Sovereign.

wordiq.comRoyal Coat of Arms ofOpen ↗
Scotland

My memory was a little faulty:

According to the world flag database (flags.netflags.netOpen ↗)
George V granted permission for Scots to use the flag, in a
hand flag form, as a sign of loyalty.

So you still can't fly it from a pole but only as a hand
flag and only if you are a scot.

..d

David Martin said:

According to the world flag database
(flags.netflags.netOpen ↗) George V granted permission for
Scots to use the flag, in a hand flag form, as a sign of
loyalty.

So you still can't fly it from a pole but only as a hand
flag and only if you are a scot.

Do the flag-flyers have to be loyal? ;-)

Pete.
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Peter Clinch said:

Do the flag-flyers have to be loyal? ;-)

Just indicate they are by waving the flag (not technically
flying it ?)

..d

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On 16/6/04 12:18 am, in article
[email hidden], "Mark McN"

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Reply to DG

Quoted message said:

Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports
superstore' and asking for a French flag?

Quoted message said:

If you can't find one, you could make do with the
heraldic device for Eleanor of Aquitaine, who brought it
with her from France when she married Henry II: it's
three lions on a shield. ;-)

Are they lions or lepoards? I thought the 'three lions'
were in heraldic terms not lions at all. It is the scots
who (by the grace of henry V) fly the lion rampant

There never was a Henry V of Scotland. The Lion Rampant was
the standard of the Lords of Galloway. When John de Balliol
married Devorgilla of Galloway, he adopted the Gallovidian
standard and when his son (also John) was crowned King of
Scots he used it as the Standard of Scotland. When Robert
Bruce succeeded John Balliol as King of Scots, he continued
to use the lion rampant device, but changed the colours from
blue on white to red on gold.

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Reply to David Martin

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Are they lions or lepoards? I thought the 'three lions'
were in heraldic terms not lions at all.

I think I heard something of the sort, so (having a
morning off) I've just googled:

It is sometimes stated that only a rampant lion can be
described as a lion in heraldry and that lions in any
other position should be called leopards. This was the
opinion of some French heralds (who should have got out
more) in the early middle ages, but it has no place in
modern English heraldry. The leopard has become a quite
widely used charge in its own right since the European
colonisation of Africa and to insist on such an outr usage
would only confuse.

so maybe (as with so many things in life) it may depend on
how far back you go, how pedantic heraldry gets, &c. &c.

Apparently the three Royal lions were all more-or-less
French in origin, the first two being brought over by the
Normans, and the third added in honour of Eleanor of
Aquitaine. But my knowledge of heraldry is more or less
limited to what I've learnt in the last ten minutes, so
I'd better shut up.

Indeed, I was riding in Normandy last week and I came
across a village twinned with one of the parishes of
Jersey, St Mary's I think; the only difference in the two
emblems was one lion.

all. It is the scots who (by the grace of henry V) fly

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the lion rampant (but technically can only do so as a hand
flag, not on a flag pole).

Nothing to do with Henry V. The Lion Rampant was adopted by
Willian I of Scotland 1165-1214. It was his personal
standard and flown by him or his representative and by
subsequent sovereigns. The Scottish national flag is of
course a white Saint Andrews cross on a blue background. It
was adopted after the battle of Athelstane Ford circa 832AD
and is arguably the oldest national flag in the world. Iain