OT: Slightly less patriotism

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There seem to be fewer England flags around: I saw only one car decked
out on my commute this lunchtime, and another this afternoon. I can't
understand it: England won the series three-nil yesterday, with Thorpe
scoring an unbeaten century. Where have all the fans gone? ;-)

Embarrased after losing 36-3 to the All Blacks? ;-)

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There seem to be fewer England flags around: I saw only one car decked
out on my commute this lunchtime, and another this afternoon.

As they're so flimsy, they've started detaching themselves from the
cars - I've seen 2 lying on the side of the road in the last 24
hours, and I'm expecting to see them in varying states of decay
for the next 12 months or so.

Mark

On 14 Jun 2004 18:24:33 +0100 (BST), [email hidden] (Alan

Braggins) said:

Embarrased after losing 36-3 to the All Blacks? ;-)

That was the match I was more intersted in :-)

James

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There seem to be fewer England flags around: I saw only one car decked
out on my commute this lunchtime, and another this afternoon.

Because of the France v England score?

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There seem to be fewer England flags around: I saw only one car decked
out on my commute this lunchtime, and another this afternoon.

Because of the France v England score?

Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports superstore' and asking
for a French flag?

DG

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There seem to be fewer England flags around: I saw only one car decked
out on my commute this lunchtime, and another this afternoon.

Is that anything to do with the France?England score?
Iain

On 15/6/04 10:38 pm, in article
[email hidden], "DG"

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Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports superstore' and asking
for a French flag?

Probably plenty for sale up here.

The local neds still wear Argentine football shirts after the last English
fiasco.

Looking out now for French football jerseys in the locality.

...d

Mark McN said:

There seem to be fewer England flags around: I saw only one car decked
(The woman in the corner-shop sternly told me yesterday I should be
flying the England flag on the bent, instead of the nice pennant
provided by AVD. It goes without saying that I turned on my heel with
dignity, and hit her with a roll of Happy Shopper binbags.)

I now have a 3 foot England flag on the flag pole of my trike. Its quite
fun and nice in a way, though I see a lot fewer cars with them here,
so am starting to feel a little more alone with it. I think it does
increase the visibility of the trike though - less chance of a SMIDSY.
Also drag is surprisingly not too noticable, at least at the speeds I've
been with it so far.

The only problem is that after only a couple of miles its starting to
pull apart at the top eyelet - so much for quality. Could be that the
top is held tight to the pole with a cable tie.

Its too big for anything but quiet road or cycle lane use. Whether it
goes out with me to my karate lesson on Thursday depends on what the
result is of that game, and whether or not I know the result of that
game by the time I leave the house. Thursday nights tend to be straight
home from work, get changed, go out again, so no time to watch football.

- Richard

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Reply to DG

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Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports superstore' and asking
for a French flag?

If you can't find one, you could make do with the heraldic device for
Eleanor of Aquitaine, who brought it with her from France when she
married Henry II: it's three lions on a shield. ;-)

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On 16/6/04 12:18 am, in article [email hidden], "Mark

McN said:

Reply to DG

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Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports superstore' and asking
for a French flag?

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If you can't find one, you could make do with the heraldic device for
Eleanor of Aquitaine, who brought it with her from France when she
married Henry II: it's three lions on a shield. ;-)

Are they lions or lepoards? I thought the 'three lions' were in heraldic
terms not lions at all. It is the scots who (by the grace of henry V) fly
the lion rampant (but technically can only do so as a hand flag, not on a
flag pole).

...d

DG said:

Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports superstore' and
asking for a French flag?

No but one of the receptionists here at the Nut Mines has taken to adding
"Allez la France" to e-mails. She /is/ French, though, which explains why
she has not yet been shot and burned.

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Are they lions or lepoards? I thought the 'three lions' were in heraldic
terms not lions at all.=20
=20

I think I heard something of the sort, so (having a morning off) I've=20
just googled:
____
It is sometimes stated that only a rampant lion can be described as a=20
lion in heraldry and that lions in any other position should be called=20
leopards. This was the opinion of some French heralds (who should have=20
got out more) in the early middle ages, but it has no place in modern=20
English heraldry. The leopard has become a quite widely used charge in=20
its own right since the European colonisation of Africa and to insist=20
on such an outr=E9 usage would only confuse.
____

so maybe (as with so many things in life) it may depend on how far=20
back you go, how pedantic heraldry gets, &c. &c. =20

Apparently the three Royal lions were all more-or-less French in=20
origin, the first two being brought over by the Normans, and the third=20
added in honour of Eleanor of Aquitaine. But my knowledge of=20
heraldry is more or less limited to what I've learnt in the last ten=20
minutes, so I'd better shut up.

--=20
Mark, UK.
We hope to hear him swear, we love to hear him squeak,
We like to see him biting fingers in his horny beak.

David Martin said:

On 16/6/04 12:18 am, in article [email hidden], "Mark

McN said:

Reply to DG

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Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports superstore' and asking
for a French flag?

Quoted message said:

If you can't find one, you could make do with the heraldic device for
Eleanor of Aquitaine, who brought it with her from France when she
married Henry II: it's three lions on a shield. ;-)

Are they lions or lepoards? I thought the 'three lions' were in heraldic
terms not lions at all.

Definitely lions.

"Gules three lions passant guardant in pale or."

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom

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It is the scots who (by the grace of henry V) fly
the lion rampant (but technically can only do so as a hand flag, not on a
flag pole).

The heraldic device "Or a lion rampant gules within a double tressure flory
counterflory gules." is the Royal Standard of Scotland, and can be flown
only by a few Great Officers who officially represent The Sovereign.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_Scotland

Mike K Smith said:

David Martin said:

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It is the scots who (by the grace of henry V) fly
the lion rampant (but technically can only do so as a hand flag, not on a
flag pole).

The heraldic device "Or a lion rampant gules within a double tressure flory
counterflory gules." is the Royal Standard of Scotland, and can be flown
only by a few Great Officers who officially represent The Sovereign.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_Scotland

My memory was a little faulty:

According to the world flag database (http://www.flags.net)
George V granted permission for Scots to use the flag, in a hand flag form,
as a sign of loyalty.

So you still can't fly it from a pole but only as a hand flag and only if
you are a scot.

...d

David Martin said:

According to the world flag database (http://www.flags.net)
George V granted permission for Scots to use the flag, in a hand flag form,
as a sign of loyalty.

So you still can't fly it from a pole but only as a hand flag and only if
you are a scot.

Do the flag-flyers have to be loyal? ;-)

Pete.
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Peter Clinch said:

Do the flag-flyers have to be loyal? ;-)

Just indicate they are by waving the flag (not technically flying it ?)

...d

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On 16/6/04 12:18 am, in article [email hidden],

Mark McN said:

Reply to DG

Quoted message said:

Has anyone tried calling in to their local 'sports superstore' and
asking for a French flag?

Quoted message said:

If you can't find one, you could make do with the heraldic device for
Eleanor of Aquitaine, who brought it with her from France when she
married Henry II: it's three lions on a shield. ;-)

Are they lions or lepoards? I thought the 'three lions' were in
heraldic terms not lions at all. It is the scots who (by the grace of
henry V) fly the lion rampant

There never was a Henry V of Scotland. The Lion Rampant was the standard
of the Lords of Galloway. When John de Balliol married Devorgilla of
Galloway, he adopted the Gallovidian standard and when his son (also
John) was crowned King of Scots he used it as the Standard of Scotland.
When Robert Bruce succeeded John Balliol as King of Scots, he continued
to use the lion rampant device, but changed the colours from blue on
white to red on gold.

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Reply to David Martin

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Are they lions or lepoards? I thought the 'three lions' were in heraldic
terms not lions at all.

I think I heard something of the sort, so (having a morning off) I've
just googled:

It is sometimes stated that only a rampant lion can be described as a
lion in heraldry and that lions in any other position should be called
leopards. This was the opinion of some French heralds (who should have
got out more) in the early middle ages, but it has no place in modern
English heraldry. The leopard has become a quite widely used charge in
its own right since the European colonisation of Africa and to insist
on such an outr usage would only confuse.

so maybe (as with so many things in life) it may depend on how far
back you go, how pedantic heraldry gets, &c. &c.

Apparently the three Royal lions were all more-or-less French in
origin, the first two being brought over by the Normans, and the third
added in honour of Eleanor of Aquitaine. But my knowledge of
heraldry is more or less limited to what I've learnt in the last ten
minutes, so I'd better shut up.

Indeed, I was riding in Normandy last week and I came across a village
twinned with one of the parishes of Jersey, St Mary's I think; the
only difference in the two emblems was one lion.

all. It is the scots who (by the grace of henry V) fly

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the lion rampant (but technically can only do so as a hand flag, not on a
flag pole).

Nothing to do with Henry V. The Lion Rampant was adopted by Willian I
of Scotland 1165-1214. It was his personal standard and flown by him
or his representative and by subsequent sovereigns. The Scottish
national flag is of course a white Saint Andrews cross on a blue
background. It was adopted after the battle of Athelstane Ford circa
832AD and is arguably the oldest national flag in the world.
Iain