[OT] Road Rage

Kenneth Clements said:

I see DigiGuide classes the Road Rage programme at 21:00 on BBC1 as
Entertainment.

An excellent programme. The only road user to come through smelling
of roses was the humble pedestrian.

The school run lot came out as the worst, closely followed by
cyclists, I'm sorry to say!

Tom Crispin said:

The school run lot came out as the worst, closely followed by
cyclists, I'm sorry to say!

The worst was the part at the very end, where School Run Mums were
protesting about permits for in-front-of-school parking being taken
away. (I didn't realise such things existed anyway).
Did they not see that (a) if every parent in a large school got such a
permit there could not be enough room on any road for them all to park
at 9am?
(b) zig-zags outside schools restrict parking to make it safer for their
own children?

John Hearns said:

On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 22:01 +0000, Tom Crispin wrote:

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Quoted message said:

The school run lot came out as the worst, closely followed by
cyclists, I'm sorry to say!

Quoted message said:

The worst was the part at the very end, where School Run Mums were
protesting about permits for in-front-of-school parking being taken
away. (I didn't realise such things existed anyway).
Did they not see that (a) if every parent in a large school got such a
permit there could not be enough room on any road for them all to park
at 9am?

DO they park at 9 am?

There's a school near me, just down the road - the morning arrivals
are noticeably less problematic than the afternoon departures because
children can just be dropped off and the mum's cars scoot away
immediately. They don't all do that, but most do.

In the afternoon, they start mustering in any available space from
about 14:30.

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(b) zig-zags outside schools restrict parking to make it safer for their
own children?

I don't think there are any outside this school (it has its own
grounds, but parents aren't allowed in, AFAIK).

Anyway... must get a glass of wine and watch the programme...

John Hearns said:

Tom Crispin said:

The school run lot came out as the worst, closely followed by
cyclists, I'm sorry to say!

The worst was the part at the very end, where School Run Mums were
protesting about permits for in-front-of-school parking being taken
away. (I didn't realise such things existed anyway).
Did they not see that (a) if every parent in a large school got such a
permit there could not be enough room on any road for them all to park
at 9am?
(b) zig-zags outside schools restrict parking to make it safer for their
own children?

Well, my dear, they should demolish the school to make the spaces.
'sObvious.
They called themselves "vulnerable people". Bloody armour-plated,
well, gold-plated anyway.

John Hearns said:

Tom Crispin said:

The school run lot came out as the worst, closely followed by
cyclists, I'm sorry to say!

The worst was the part at the very end, where School Run Mums were
protesting about permits for in-front-of-school parking being taken
away. (I didn't realise such things existed anyway).
Did they not see that (a) if every parent in a large school got such a
permit there could not be enough room on any road for them all to park
at 9am?

No, they carn't they are not intersted in other people, it's called "
the tragedy of the commons"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

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(b) zig-zags outside schools restrict parking to make it safer for their
own children?

They don't need their children to be any safer, if they can drop them
at the gates they are safe so THEY don't need the zigzags.

John Hearns said:

Tom Crispin said:

The school run lot came out as the worst, closely followed by
cyclists, I'm sorry to say!

The worst was the part at the very end, where School Run Mums were
protesting about permits for in-front-of-school parking being taken
away. (I didn't realise such things existed anyway).

Yes, that was pretty pathetic - buit no more so than the school-run
dad who drove about the place cursing every other road user.

Quoted message said:

Did they not see that (a) if every parent in a large school got such a
permit there could not be enough room on any road for them all to park
at 9am?
(b) zig-zags outside schools restrict parking to make it safer for their
own children?

They were just stupid - but the programme did highlight how dangerous
the roads (and by road I mean building to building) for pedestrians.

The film of cyclists in the City of London caused me to hide behind my
cushions with embarrassment for their behaviour, especially that cycle
courier.

Tom Crispin said:

John Hearns said:

Tom Crispin said:

The school run lot came out as the worst, closely followed by
cyclists, I'm sorry to say!

The worst was the part at the very end, where School Run Mums were
protesting about permits for in-front-of-school parking being taken
away. (I didn't realise such things existed anyway).

Yes, that was pretty pathetic - buit no more so than the school-run
dad who drove about the place cursing every other road user.

And to think he was probably restraining himself in view of the
cameras :-)

--

Geoff

GeoffC said:

Tom Crispin said:

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:15:38 +0000, John Hearns
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On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 22:01 +0000, Tom Crispin wrote:

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> The school run lot came out as the worst, closely followed by
> cyclists, I'm sorry to say!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The worst was the part at the very end, where School Run Mums were
protesting about permits for in-front-of-school parking being taken
away. (I didn't realise such things existed anyway).

Quoted message said:

Yes, that was pretty pathetic - buit no more so than the school-run
dad who drove about the place cursing every other road user.

And to think he was probably restraining himself in view of the
cameras :-)

Let's hope that he's on beta blockers. Actually, I don't think that he
can be, or perhaps his dose needs adjusting.

Tom Crispin said:

An excellent programme. The only road user to come through smelling
of roses was the humble pedestrian.

In the bit about WNBR I noticed a tandem stopped at the side of the
road, apparently with a puncture. David Damerell?

--
Danny Colyer <http://www.redpedals.co.uk>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"The plural of anecdote is not data" - Frank Kotsonis

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Kenneth Clements said:

I see DigiGuide classes the Road Rage programme at 21:00 on BBC1 as
Entertainment.

An excellent programme. The only road user to come through smelling
of roses was the humble pedestrian.

The school run lot came out as the worst, closely followed by
cyclists, I'm sorry to say!

Just started watching it. The first thing I've noticed was the argument
outside Buckingham Palace. I was there, just a few yards away. Hopefully
won't see myself on TV.

Anyway, I was ashamed when we got to Parliament Square and left fairly
promptly. The driver of the 4x4 was a particularly aggressive person, but he
was being baited to be honest.

Still, am so glad not to drive anymore!

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:21:10 -0000, "elyob" <[email hidden]>

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Kenneth Clements said:

I see DigiGuide classes the Road Rage programme at 21:00 on BBC1 as
Entertainment.

An excellent programme. The only road user to come through smelling
of roses was the humble pedestrian.

The school run lot came out as the worst, closely followed by
cyclists, I'm sorry to say!

Just started watching it. The first thing I've noticed was the argument
outside Buckingham Palace. I was there, just a few yards away. Hopefully
won't see myself on TV.

Anyway, I was ashamed when we got to Parliament Square and left fairly
promptly. The driver of the 4x4 was a particularly aggressive person, but he
was being baited to be honest.

I had no problem with Critical Mass or the naked bike riders. It was
the red light jumpers in Central London who caused me much shame.

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On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:21:10 -0000, "elyob" <[email hidden]>

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On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:21:30 GMT, "Kenneth Clements"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>I see DigiGuide classes the Road Rage programme at 21:00 on BBC1 as
>Entertainment.

An excellent programme. The only road user to come through smelling
of roses was the humble pedestrian.

The school run lot came out as the worst, closely followed by
cyclists, I'm sorry to say!

Just started watching it. The first thing I've noticed was the argument
outside Buckingham Palace. I was there, just a few yards away. Hopefully
won't see myself on TV.

Anyway, I was ashamed when we got to Parliament Square and left fairly
promptly. The driver of the 4x4 was a particularly aggressive person, but
he
was being baited to be honest.

I had no problem with Critical Mass or the naked bike riders. It was
the red light jumpers in Central London who caused me much shame.

Perhaps this is a point where we should take a leaf out of the book of
responsible car drivers. They have no problem with recognising that car
drivers are a broad enough church for there to be bad'uns who don't deserve
any support. Because a lot us adopt the mindset of cyclists as an oppressed
minority, perhaps we condone (if not downright support) activities and
behaviours that we know are, at bottom, not acceptable. If we didn't seek to
maintain an impractically virtuous image of cyclists, then we'd not feel
shame or guilt at the antics of these morons.

On 8 Jan, 07:26, "Budstaff" <[email hidden]>

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Perhaps this is a point where we should take a leaf out of the book of
responsible car drivers. They have no problem with recognising that car
drivers are a broad enough church for there to be bad'uns who don't deserve
any support. Because a lot us adopt the mindset of cyclists as an oppressed
minority, perhaps we condone (if not downright support) activities and
behaviours that we know are, at bottom, not acceptable. If we didn't seek to
maintain an impractically virtuous image of cyclists, then we'd not feel
shame or guilt at the antics of these morons.

We could adopt the attitude of many drivers and consider all other
road users to be scum, as in anyone driving faster than me is an idiot
and anyone going slower is a moron. Thus any cyclist who jumps a red
light when I don't is a dangerous idiot, anyone who sits and waits
when I don't is a stupid moron.

POHB said:

On 8 Jan, 07:26, "Budstaff" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Perhaps this is a point where we should take a leaf out of the book of
responsible car drivers. They have no problem with recognising that car
drivers are a broad enough church for there to be bad'uns who don't deserve
any support. Because a lot us adopt the mindset of cyclists as an oppressed
minority, perhaps we condone (if not downright support) activities and
behaviours that we know are, at bottom, not acceptable. If we didn't seek to
maintain an impractically virtuous image of cyclists, then we'd not feel
shame or guilt at the antics of these morons.

We could adopt the attitude of many drivers and consider all other
road users to be scum, as in anyone driving faster than me is an idiot
and anyone going slower is a moron.  Thus any cyclist who jumps a red
light when I don't is a dangerous idiot, anyone who sits and waits
when I don't is a stupid moron.

That idiot woman who disputed a parking ticket was priceless.

She said, stridently:

These parking tickets eat up my money, I mean, IT'S MY DRESS
ALLOWANCE!!!!

The woman slagging cyclists off was Erin Baker,, an ignorant,
offensive woman who claims cyclists are suicidal.

She's a sloppy, unprofessional hack:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/erinbaker/nov06/cyclistneverwrong.htm

She claims, among other things, that cyclists are, "for the most part
dangerous, irresponsible road-users".

Why the hell anyone thought that dozy cow's views were worth anything
is beyond me.

On the whole it was ok, the courier made me wince but the drivers
seemed incoherent with rage most of the time. They need to get a bike
and chill the flip out with some squirrel comedy.

"spindrift" <[email hidden]> wrote

They need to get a bike
and chill the flip out with some squirrel comedy.

I'm afraid my pet Babelfish took one look at that and died! Please
elucidate..

On 8 Jan, 09:28, "Budstaff" <budstaffdotusegroupatbtinternetdotcom>

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"spindrift" <[email hidden]> wrote

They need to get a bike
and chill the flip out with some squirrel comedy.

I'm afraid my pet Babelfish took one look at that and died! Please
elucidate..

I get too hot after cycling a couple of miles and stop in Vicky Park
to tie my jacket round my waist.

This time of year, the little squirrels are going crazy ape bonkers
and scurry about furtively, digging holes and cramming nuts in.

Their little paws work incredibly quickly, and when they've filled the
hole again, THEY LOOK AROUND SECRETIVELY AND PAT THE GROUND SMOOTH
WITH THEIR LITTLE PAWS!!

HA HA HA HA HA!!!

THEIR LITTLE PAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!

As you were.

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:26:47 -0000 someone who may be "Budstaff"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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Perhaps this is a point where we should take a leaf out of the book of
responsible car drivers. They have no problem with recognising that car
drivers are a broad enough church for there to be bad'uns who don't deserve
any support.

I don't recall too many people defending cyclists no matter what
they have done.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

I was aghast at the cyclists running the red lights. I know it's said
that it happens, but it was the corporate nature of them all doing it
that I found so amazing.

But then I do live in pleasant Herts, where there is nothing like the
confrontational road-use that was shown in that programme. Just makes
me continue to be bemused as to why people continue to live in such
hard to use areas...

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I was aghast at the cyclists running the red lights.

If they can do it - and generally survive the experience unscathed, can
we not conclude that it is pointless and inefficient to wait at red, and
that waiting gives no obvious benefit to anybody?

--
Matt B