You know that Vb.net is virtually identical in terms of (the most commonly used functionality) to C# don't you?
As in, it uses the same libraries? Yes. But the language itself is still pretty ugly and (last time I checked) has some of the hangovers from previous versions such as multiple styles of function / subroutine calling. Its history alone should be a good enough deterrent!
I'd disagree 🙂
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And yes... I have used VB for a large project. And yes... it was an absolute c**t!
Jon
Each to their own - VB.Net is just as good as C# for 99% of projects - it's a world away from VB.
I'll concede though that if you've had C++/Java experience then changing to C# is the easiest route if you're doing .Net
You know that Vb.net is virtually identical in terms of (the most commonly used functionality) to C# don't you?
As in, it uses the same libraries? Yes. But the language itself is still pretty ugly and (last time I checked) has some of the hangovers from previous versions such as multiple styles of function / subroutine calling. Its history alone should be a good enough deterrent!
And yes... I have used VB for a large project. And yes... it was an absolute c**t!
> Nobody has mentioned Lisp yet. It's on my must learn list but i'm > short of round tuits ATM.
Good fun, but flawed IMO. It starts with a philosophy (functional programming with no side-effects), then fills up with exceptions to its own rule.
Common lisp has never been like that - it's designed to support different programming styles.
Indeed, it supports practically every style *except* LISP.
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And would you want to use a language one of whose most important functions is "car"?
"first" is a synonym for car ...
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Also it's one of those languages - like BASIC or SQL - having lots of mututally-incompatible variants.
... there's also a standard which is implemented by quite few compilers.
But the standard is a compendium of all the worst bits and none of the good bits of all the other variants - which is /why/ LISP is now more or less dead.
Each to their own - VB.Net is just as good as C# for 99% of projects - it's a world away from VB.
Fair enough. I must conceded that I've not used VB.Net (My experiences with its ancestors have left me scarred). In the past I felt it offered C's ability to produce sloppy code, but without any of the speed / power. Is it actually object-oriented yet?
If you want a full on IDE for C, C++ or Java then consider buying a Mac. You can buy a complete Mac for the price Microsoft charges just for it's compiler environment
I'm finding more and more that our clients are moving away from GUI apps and client based software. The first question they always ask now, before they even see any software is, "Does it run in a browser?".
At least two clients of mine now use thin clients only (a very minimal Linux run from CD) - everything they use is server based.
The other refreshing trend we are seeing is a move away from IE. Hoorah!
I haven't written substantial client side code in 4 years!
Now that web developers are finally getting their heads around the Document Object Model and most of the bugs in IE have been worked around, writing fast browser based apps is quite possible.
That is to get copies of the Microsoft software, or the O/S pre-releases - so exactly the same as your example. There are hundreds of tools, howto's and everything else under the sun absolutely FOC on the MS site.
I sense we're not going to agree on this though, and to be frank, I don't care enough to argue about it either.
