OT Ping the pro photographers here

In article <[email hidden]>, dontuse@fell-
walker.co.uk says...

Quoted message said:

Someone here is a pro photographer IIRC. Cant remember who it is.
Anyway, Ive asked this before about how much to charge for
commercial use of an image.

That could be Neil Barker, not sure if he's still taking this group but
you could try posting your request in demon.local

--
Craig Oldfield

The Reid said:

Someone here is a pro photographer IIRC. Cant remember who it is.

Zeus?

Quoted message said:

Anyway, Ive asked this before about how much to charge for
commercial use of an image.

Anything from zero pence to a million quid! That's what I hate about the
photography market, there's no standardised pricing.

Quoted message said:

I settled on £110 but when I sold one
for a calendar this morning I got that feeling he was surprised
it wasnt more.

Someone else have been [censored] that you asked for so much. This really
annoys me. Why don't they just make you an offer?

Quoted message said:

Am I undercutting the market now?

Probably, but so are loads of other people. If you charge a decent amount
they may simply go elsewhere.

Quoted message said:

I dont suppose its relevant but this is the pic:-
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/uistpic160.htm"

Nice colours and distant scenery, but the boat ruins it for me. I'd never
have thought to include it, but it just goes to show, what I like and what
sells are often different things entirely.

Quoted message said:

I get the impression some people are looking for amateur shots
for next to nothing to cut costs while others expect to pay the
going rate.

Quite. These cheapskates are a PITA. I was emailed recently by S4C (Welsh
Channel 4) who wanted to use some of my photos as opening backgrounds for
their weather forecasts. They wrote "If possible I would like to use them
free of charge". I wrote back and said that I'd prefer to be paid for them.
Haven't heard from them since. They didn't even have the decency to send me
a reply. Hardly a professional way for a television company to act.

In a similar vein, the BBC are currently running a calendar photo
competition for Wiltshire. If you win you get the satisfaction of having
your photo used in their calendar! No payment of course, and they get a
load of calendar pics for free. Will they make any money out of the
calendar?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/articles/2006/01/25/wiltshire_calendar_competition_feature.shtml

There have been similar photographic competitions in my local newspaper.
Chance of winning a digital camera! Oh cool. What's the catch? They get
thousands of free photos to use any way they wish!

This is despicable behaviour by legimitate businesses, and where does that
leave the professional photographer? How many other businesses expect to
give their products away for nothing? How would Tesco like it if I did my
shopping then said to them "I'd prefer not to pay for them".

Paul

"Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The Reid said:

Someone here is a pro photographer IIRC. Cant remember who it is.

Zeus?

Quoted message said:

Anyway, Ive asked this before about how much to charge for
commercial use of an image.

Anything from zero pence to a million quid! That's what I hate about the
photography market, there's no standardised pricing.

Quoted message said:

I settled on £110 but when I sold one
for a calendar this morning I got that feeling he was surprised
it wasnt more.

Someone else have been [censored] that you asked for so much. This really
annoys me. Why don't they just make you an offer?

Quoted message said:

Am I undercutting the market now?

Probably, but so are loads of other people. If you charge a decent amount
they may simply go elsewhere.

Quoted message said:

I dont suppose its relevant but this is the pic:-
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/uistpic160.htm"

Nice colours and distant scenery, but the boat ruins it for me. I'd never
have thought to include it, but it just goes to show, what I like and what
sells are often different things entirely.

Quoted message said:

I get the impression some people are looking for amateur shots
for next to nothing to cut costs while others expect to pay the
going rate.

Quite. These cheapskates are a PITA. I was emailed recently by S4C
(Welsh Channel 4) who wanted to use some of my photos as opening
backgrounds for their weather forecasts. They wrote "If possible I would
like to use them free of charge". I wrote back and said that I'd prefer
to be paid for them. Haven't heard from them since. They didn't even have
the decency to send me a reply. Hardly a professional way for a
television company to act.

In a similar vein, the BBC are currently running a calendar photo
competition for Wiltshire. If you win you get the satisfaction of having
your photo used in their calendar! No payment of course, and they get a
load of calendar pics for free. Will they make any money out of the
calendar?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/articles/2006/01/25/wiltshire_calendar_competition_feature.shtml

There have been similar photographic competitions in my local newspaper.
Chance of winning a digital camera! Oh cool. What's the catch? They get
thousands of free photos to use any way they wish!

This is despicable behaviour by legimitate businesses, and where does that
leave the professional photographer? How many other businesses expect to
give their products away for nothing? How would Tesco like it if I did my
shopping then said to them "I'd prefer not to pay for them".

"We prefer to call the police".

--
"Beannachd leibh"

Theo
www.theosphotos.fotopic.net

In message <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

The Reid said:

Anyway, Ive asked this before about how much to charge for
commercial use of an image.

Anything from zero pence to a million quid! That's what I hate about the
photography market, there's no standardised pricing.

It depends greatly on the usage - both size of image and size of
publication. I get anything from £10 (local paper using a JPEG for a
small B&W shot) to £300 every year for five years (repeated use of an
image full page in a tourist brochure - I could do with more of the
latter!). I usually ask people I haven't worked for before how much they
are offering.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I settled on £110 but when I sold one
for a calendar this morning I got that feeling he was surprised
it wasnt more.

Someone else have been [censored] that you asked for so much. This really
annoys me. Why don't they just make you an offer?

Ask them to.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Am I undercutting the market now?

Probably, but so are loads of other people. If you charge a decent amount
they may simply go elsewhere.

It depends on the quality they want and how specific the image needs to
be. Generic pretty pictures are easy to find and so cheap.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I dont suppose its relevant but this is the pic:-
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/uistpic160.htm"

Nice colours and distant scenery, but the boat ruins it for me. I'd never
have thought to include it, but it just goes to show, what I like and what
sells are often different things entirely.

My favourite images are moody landscapes. I rarely sell any of these.
Most of the shots I sell have people in them.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I get the impression some people are looking for amateur shots
for next to nothing to cut costs while others expect to pay the
going rate.

Quite. These cheapskates are a PITA. I was emailed recently by S4C (Welsh
Channel 4) who wanted to use some of my photos as opening backgrounds for
their weather forecasts. They wrote "If possible I would like to use them
free of charge". I wrote back and said that I'd prefer to be paid for them.
Haven't heard from them since. They didn't even have the decency to send me
a reply. Hardly a professional way for a television company to act.

Not unusual I'm afraid. I've had a few episodes like that over the years
- with writing as well as photography.

Quoted message said:

In a similar vein, the BBC are currently running a calendar photo
competition for Wiltshire. If you win you get the satisfaction of having
your photo used in their calendar! No payment of course, and they get a
load of calendar pics for free. Will they make any money out of the
calendar?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/articles/2006/01/25/wiltshire_cal
endar_competition_feature.shtml

There have been similar photographic competitions in my local newspaper.
Chance of winning a digital camera! Oh cool. What's the catch? They get
thousands of free photos to use any way they wish!

There have been competitions like this for many years. I never enter
them.

Quoted message said:

This is despicable behaviour by legimitate businesses, and where does that
leave the professional photographer? How many other businesses expect to
give their products away for nothing? How would Tesco like it if I did my
shopping then said to them "I'd prefer not to pay for them".

The difference is that Tesco hasn't agreed that you don't need to pay
before you do any shopping. Sign up to these competitions and you sign
away your copyright in the images.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Someone here is a pro photographer IIRC. Cant remember who it is.

Zeus?

Strange, I pop in today for the first time in a year or more and
there is my name :-)

To answer the question, I would suggest you go to ALamy.com and
use their on-line calculator to work out current prices.

ie

go to alamy
select an image
calculate price (on the left)

if royalty free, this means that they (the buyer) can reuse
the image without further payment

50.0 MB 5132 x 3403 4.8 MB £ 299.00
28.1 MB 3849 x 2552 1.7 MB £ 239.00
15.8 MB 2887 x 1914 1.0 MB £ 199.00
4.0 MB 1444 x 957 0.3 MB £ 199.00
0.9 MB 693 x 459 0.1 MB £ 79.00

or licensed

a one year UK, licence for a print run of
20,000 calendars image inside (ie not a cover)
= £215

HTH

regards
Mark Baigent
----------------------------------------------------
Industrial - Commercial - Architectural Photography
http://www.markbaigent.co.uk
Tel: 01245 222712
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Following up to Paul Saunders

Quoted message said:

Nice colours and distant scenery, but the boat ruins it for me. I'd never
have thought to include it, but it just goes to show, what I like and what
sells are often different things entirely.

indeed. I took it as a travel photo rather than landscape. Any
well composed and exposed image may be of use to someone. My
favourite shots are ELD landscapes, they sometimes sell as
prints, (as you know!) but the photo market is probably
overflowing with nice landscapes.
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Following up to Chris Townsend

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Ask them to.

I can see I need negotiation skills for this business!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Am I undercutting the market now?

Probably, but so are loads of other people. If you charge a decent amount
they may simply go elsewhere.

It depends on the quality they want and how specific the image needs to
be. Generic pretty pictures are easy to find and so cheap.

I can see that a sunny shot with a specific ship in picture on a
recognisable ferry route is more valuable than a sunset!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I dont suppose its relevant but this is the pic:-
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/uistpic160.htm"

Nice colours and distant scenery, but the boat ruins it for me. I'd never
have thought to include it, but it just goes to show, what I like and what
sells are often different things entirely.

My favourite images are moody landscapes. I rarely sell any of these.
Most of the shots I sell have people in them.

looks like its take one for myself, one to hope to sell.
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Following up to [email hidden]

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Zeus?

Quoted message said:

Strange, I pop in today for the first time in a year or more and
there is my name :-)

Greek Gods do that!

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To answer the question, I would suggest you go to ALamy.com and
use their on-line calculator to work out current prices.

thanks for the info, I think that was the website you told me
about before and I lost!
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

The Reid said:

Quoted message said:

what I
like and what sells are often different things entirely.

indeed. I took it as a travel photo rather than landscape. Any
well composed and exposed image may be of use to someone. My
favourite shots are ELD landscapes, they sometimes sell as
prints, (as you know!) but the photo market is probably
overflowing with nice landscapes.

Yep, no doubt.

I noticed that one photographer on Alamy said that his highest selling shot
(which he'd sold a number of times for a total of a few grand I think) was a
photo of a disabled symbol!

So I'm trying to adapt my thinking to taking photos that may be "useful" to
someone to illustrate an article or whatever, so topical subjects might be
good, like photos of a speed camera for instance (with a blurred red
ferrarri in the background ideally...).

Took a photo of a weathered wooden gate the other day. Who knows? Someone
might have a use for it, or maybe I could call it art?

Paul

Following up to Paul Saunders

If your website attracts hits on photos Wales welsh etc you
should have a pic of the welsh henoed? sign with an elderly
person crossing road or something.

Quoted message said:

like photos of a speed camera for instance (with a blurred red
ferrarri in the background ideally...).

I think so, especially a new type of camera

Quoted message said:

Took a photo of a weathered wooden gate the other day. Who knows? Someone
might have a use for it, or maybe I could call it art?

we hobby photographers do that sort of thing all the time. Hence
oversupply of arty shots. How about a page of all the local
landmarks taken in good light? I get sales from my Thames pages.
--
Mike Reid
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap