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  1. What do you think about this food: http://www.royalcanin.us/

    The super premium for the Royal Canin is the Maxi line. I was considering
    the puppy mix for large breeds:

    http://www.caninehealthnutrition.com/maxipuppy.htm

    The other option available locally is this puppy mix from Natura:

    http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail&pxsl=%2F%2Fproduct%5B@id%3D%271259%27%5D

    Preference either way?
    --
    -Larry

    "The troll hasn't been born who can troll us worse than we troll ourselves."
    Hugh Beyer

  2. "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    What do you think about this food: http://www.royalcanin.us/

    The super premium for the Royal Canin is the Maxi line. I was considering
    the puppy mix for large breeds:

    http://www.caninehealthnutrition.com/maxipuppy.htm

    It may be many things, but "super premium" it ain't. The macronutrients:
    chicken meal (good), brown rice (good), brewers rice (garbage), corn gluten
    meal (garbage), chicken fat (good), beet pulp (garbage), chicken (ok),
    natuaral chicken flavor (shouldn't be needed), sodium silico aluminate (
    that's talcum powder, isn't it?), fish oil (ok, but should be a listed
    single source fish oil), dried eggs (ok, but should be "eggs"😉.

    Quoted message said:


    The other option available locally is this puppy mix from Natura:

    http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail&pxsl=%2F%2Fproduct%5B@id%3D%271259%27%5D

    If you'll recall the original list I gave you:
    www.canidae.com
    www.merrickpetcare.com
    www.oldmotherhubbard.com
    www.f-r-r.com
    www.naturapet.com
    www.naturalbalanceinc.com
    www.bluebuff.com
    www.solidgoldhealth.com

    Five down from the top.

    David

  3. David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    What do you think about this food: http://www.royalcanin.us/

    The super premium for the Royal Canin is the Maxi line. I was considering
    the puppy mix for large breeds:

    http://www.caninehealthnutrition.com/maxipuppy.htm

    It may be many things, but "super premium" it ain't. The macronutrients:
    chicken meal (good), brown rice (good), brewers rice (garbage), corn gluten
    meal (garbage), chicken fat (good), beet pulp (garbage), chicken (ok),
    natuaral chicken flavor (shouldn't be needed), sodium silico aluminate (
    that's talcum powder, isn't it?), fish oil (ok, but should be a listed
    single source fish oil), dried eggs (ok, but should be "eggs"😉.

    Quoted message said:

    If you'll recall the original list I gave you:
    www.canidae.com
    www.merrickpetcare.com
    www.oldmotherhubbard.com
    www.f-r-r.com
    www.naturapet.com
    www.naturalbalanceinc.com
    www.bluebuff.com
    www.solidgoldhealth.com

    You didn't list mine. I know it's good because I went to the local feed
    store and got the most expensive one: Eagle Pack Holistic Select Chicken
    Meal & Rice Formula: http://www.eaglepack.com/pages/ep_hs_chicken.html

    The ingredients:
    Chicken Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (Preserved with
    Natural Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Anchovy & Sardine Meal, Pork
    Meal, Dried Beet Pulp, Whole Ground Barley, Tomato Pomace, Dried Egg
    Product, Flaxseed, Canola Oil, Dried Apples, Cheese Meal, Dried Carrots,
    Air Dried Peas, Sun-cured Alfalfa, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Quinoa
    (Organic), Inulin, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Dried Cranberries, Dried
    Blueberries, Beta-Carotene, Dandelion (Organic), Garlic, DL-Methionine,
    Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement,
    Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin Supplement,
    Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic
    Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Inositol, Dehydrated
    Kelp, Polysaccharide Complexes (sequestered) of Zinc, Iron, Manganese,
    Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Yucca Schidigera
    Extract, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Enterococcus faecium, B. Subtillus,
    Bacillus lichenformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae and
    Aspergillus [censored].

    The irony with this dog food is that my Lab will eat anything she can
    reach, including wrapped food gifts intended as presents, make-up bags
    with scented lip balms, lunches left in lunch bags, loaves of bread left
    on the counter and pretty much any food anywhere that she can scarf
    before we catch her. She's a walking garbage can. But we do TRY to
    feed her good food.

    Dally

  4. David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    What do you think about this food: http://www.royalcanin.us/

    The super premium for the Royal Canin is the Maxi line. I was considering
    the puppy mix for large breeds:

    http://www.caninehealthnutrition.com/maxipuppy.htm

    It may be many things, but "super premium" it ain't. The macronutrients:
    chicken meal (good), brown rice (good), brewers rice (garbage), corn gluten
    meal (garbage), chicken fat (good), beet pulp (garbage), chicken (ok),
    natuaral chicken flavor (shouldn't be needed), sodium silico aluminate (
    that's talcum powder, isn't it?), fish oil (ok, but should be a listed
    single source fish oil), dried eggs (ok, but should be "eggs"😉.

    Quoted message said:

    If you'll recall the original list I gave you:
    www.canidae.com
    www.merrickpetcare.com
    www.oldmotherhubbard.com
    www.f-r-r.com
    www.naturapet.com
    www.naturalbalanceinc.com
    www.bluebuff.com
    www.solidgoldhealth.com

    You didn't list mine. I know it's good because I went to the local feed
    store and got the most expensive one: Eagle Pack Holistic Select Chicken
    Meal & Rice Formula: http://www.eaglepack.com/pages/ep_hs_chicken.html

    The ingredients:
    Chicken Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (Preserved with
    Natural Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Anchovy & Sardine Meal, Pork
    Meal, Dried Beet Pulp, Whole Ground Barley, Tomato Pomace, Dried Egg
    Product, Flaxseed, Canola Oil, Dried Apples, Cheese Meal, Dried Carrots,
    Air Dried Peas, Sun-cured Alfalfa, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Quinoa
    (Organic), Inulin, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Dried Cranberries, Dried
    Blueberries, Beta-Carotene, Dandelion (Organic), Garlic, DL-Methionine,
    Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement,
    Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin Supplement,
    Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic
    Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Inositol, Dehydrated
    Kelp, Polysaccharide Complexes (sequestered) of Zinc, Iron, Manganese,
    Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Yucca Schidigera
    Extract, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Enterococcus faecium, B. Subtillus,
    Bacillus lichenformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae and
    Aspergillus [censored].

    The irony with this dog food is that my Lab will eat anything she can
    reach, including wrapped food gifts intended as presents, make-up bags
    with scented lip balms, lunches left in lunch bags, loaves of bread left
    on the counter and pretty much any food anywhere that she can scarf
    before we catch her. She's a walking garbage can. But we do TRY to
    feed her good food.

    Dally

  5. "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    What do you think about this food: http://www.royalcanin.us/

    The super premium for the Royal Canin is the Maxi line. I was
    considering the puppy mix for large breeds:

    http://www.caninehealthnutrition.com/maxipuppy.htm

    It may be many things, but "super premium" it ain't. The macronutrients:
    chicken meal (good), brown rice (good), brewers rice (garbage), corn
    gluten meal (garbage), chicken fat (good), beet pulp (garbage), chicken
    (ok), natuaral chicken flavor (shouldn't be needed), sodium silico
    aluminate ( that's talcum powder, isn't it?), fish oil (ok, but should be
    a listed single source fish oil), dried eggs (ok, but should be "eggs"😉.

    Quoted message said:

    If you'll recall the original list I gave you:
    www.canidae.com
    www.merrickpetcare.com
    www.oldmotherhubbard.com
    www.f-r-r.com
    www.naturapet.com
    www.naturalbalanceinc.com
    www.bluebuff.com
    www.solidgoldhealth.com

    You didn't list mine.

    I have also stated that this wasn't an all-inclusive list.

    Quoted message said:

    I know it's good because I went to the local feed store and got the most
    expensive one: Eagle Pack Holistic Select Chicken Meal & Rice Formula:
    http://www.eaglepack.com/pages/ep_hs_chicken.html

    Aw, come on, you aren't serious? Is my Sarcastimometer on the fritz again?
    It's the best 'cause it's the most expensive?

    Quoted message said:

    The ingredients:
    Chicken Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (Preserved with
    Natural Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Anchovy & Sardine Meal, Pork
    Meal,

    So far, so good.

    Quoted message said:

    Dried Beet Pulp,

    Oh, sorry, no longer super-premium status. Dried beet pulp is used to
    regulate stool volume, which should be accomplished by proper nutrition.

    Quoted message said:

    Whole Ground Barley, Tomato Pomace, Dried Egg Product,

    Oh, sorry, again. Dried egg product is a low quality source of eggs.

    Quoted message said:

    Flaxseed, Canola Oil, Dried Apples, Cheese Meal,

    Cheese meal? I don't even know what that is, but, this far down the list,
    who cares?

    <snip remainder of ok micronutrient stuff>

    Quoted message said:

    The irony with this dog food is that my Lab will eat anything she can
    reach, including wrapped food gifts intended as presents, make-up bags
    with scented lip balms, lunches left in lunch bags, loaves of bread left
    on the counter and pretty much any food anywhere that she can scarf before
    we catch her. She's a walking garbage can. But we do TRY to feed her
    good food.

    It is a "good food", no doubt. It is a premium dog food. It is NOT among the
    super premiums, however.

    David

  6. David Cohen said:

    "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I know it's good because I went to the local feed store and got the most
    expensive one: Eagle Pack Holistic Select Chicken Meal & Rice Formula:
    http://www.eaglepack.com/pages/ep_hs_chicken.html

    Aw, come on, you aren't serious? Is my Sarcastimometer on the fritz again?
    It's the best 'cause it's the most expensive?

    I wasn't serious. I looked at the list and liked that it didn't have
    corn anywhere. I used my super-duper nutrition experience to decipher
    the other items and they seemed good to me. In fact, the best I'd seen.

    Quoted message said:

    It is a "good food", no doubt. It is a premium dog food. It is NOT among the
    super premiums, however.

    All right, I'll look again to see if my feed store carries any of the
    ones on your list. But my dog likes this one so I might stick with it
    anyway. Plus, I get a kick out of deadlifting it off of the bottom
    shelf. (No, that's not a serious reason why I buy it. But it's fun to
    use functional strength.)

    Dally

  7. David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    What do you think about this food: http://www.royalcanin.us/

    The super premium for the Royal Canin is the Maxi line. I was
    considering the puppy mix for large breeds:

    http://www.caninehealthnutrition.com/maxipuppy.htm

    It may be many things, but "super premium" it ain't. The
    macronutrients: chicken meal (good), brown rice (good), brewers rice
    (garbage), corn gluten meal (garbage), chicken fat (good), beet pulp
    (garbage), chicken (ok), natuaral chicken flavor (shouldn't be
    needed), sodium silico aluminate ( that's talcum powder, isn't it?),
    fish oil (ok, but should be a listed single source fish oil), dried
    eggs (ok, but should be "eggs"😉.

    Quoted message said:


    The other option available locally is this puppy mix from Natura:

    http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail&pxsl=%2F%2Fproduct%5B@id%3D%271259%27%5D

    If you'll recall the original list I gave you:
    www.canidae.com
    www.merrickpetcare.com
    www.oldmotherhubbard.com
    www.f-r-r.com
    www.naturapet.com
    www.naturalbalanceinc.com
    www.bluebuff.com
    www.solidgoldhealth.com

    Five down from the top.

    David

    I'll go with the Natura then. Thanks.

    They also have Solid Gold, but I remember you said you didn't like that.
    --
    -Larry

    "The troll hasn't been born who can troll us worse than we troll
    ourselves." Hugh Beyer

  8. "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    What do you think about this food: http://www.royalcanin.us/

    The super premium for the Royal Canin is the Maxi line. I was
    considering the puppy mix for large breeds:

    http://www.caninehealthnutrition.com/maxipuppy.htm

    It may be many things, but "super premium" it ain't. The
    macronutrients: chicken meal (good), brown rice (good), brewers rice
    (garbage), corn gluten meal (garbage), chicken fat (good), beet pulp
    (garbage), chicken (ok), natuaral chicken flavor (shouldn't be
    needed), sodium silico aluminate ( that's talcum powder, isn't it?),
    fish oil (ok, but should be a listed single source fish oil), dried
    eggs (ok, but should be "eggs"😉.

    Quoted message said:


    The other option available locally is this puppy mix from Natura:

    http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail&pxsl=%2F%2Fproduct%5B@id%3D%271259%27%5D

    If you'll recall the original list I gave you:
    www.canidae.com
    www.merrickpetcare.com
    www.oldmotherhubbard.com
    www.f-r-r.com
    www.naturapet.com
    www.naturalbalanceinc.com
    www.bluebuff.com
    www.solidgoldhealth.com

    Five down from the top.

    I'll go with the Natura then. Thanks.

    They also have Solid Gold, but I remember you said you didn't like that.

    Not for nutritional reasons, however. Just because of their atrocious
    business ethics, or total lack thereof.

    David

  9. "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    What do you think about this food: http://www.royalcanin.us/

    The super premium for the Royal Canin is the Maxi line. I was
    considering the puppy mix for large breeds:

    http://www.caninehealthnutrition.com/maxipuppy.htm

    It may be many things, but "super premium" it ain't. The
    macronutrients: chicken meal (good), brown rice (good), brewers rice
    (garbage), corn gluten meal (garbage), chicken fat (good), beet pulp
    (garbage), chicken (ok), natuaral chicken flavor (shouldn't be
    needed), sodium silico aluminate ( that's talcum powder, isn't it?),
    fish oil (ok, but should be a listed single source fish oil), dried
    eggs (ok, but should be "eggs"😉.

    Quoted message said:


    The other option available locally is this puppy mix from Natura:

    http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail&pxsl=%2F%2Fproduct%5B@id%3D%271259%27%5D

    If you'll recall the original list I gave you:
    www.canidae.com
    www.merrickpetcare.com
    www.oldmotherhubbard.com
    www.f-r-r.com
    www.naturapet.com
    www.naturalbalanceinc.com
    www.bluebuff.com
    www.solidgoldhealth.com

    Five down from the top.

    I'll go with the Natura then. Thanks.

    They also have Solid Gold, but I remember you said you didn't like that.

    Not for nutritional reasons, however. Just because of their atrocious
    business ethics, or total lack thereof.

    David

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